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Holy shit Deadly Forturne volume 2 has a good translation now.
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That would mean Nero is still a virgin then.RebubleUselet said:My headcanon is that the Sparda's descendants' power also comes from their virginity, which is why Vergil lost to Dante several times.
I'll go as in depth as possible, and get you both sides of the argument, just give me a moment to write it.Maxnumb231 said:Can someone explain to me why Kamiya stating/ clarifying Mundus made a universe is a troll comment?
Look... I love Matthew, and I hate throwing criticism at anyone on this wiki. But honestly, I'm inclined to agree. Seeing how he handles arguments, it's quite blatantly a case of "deciding your opinion, the looking at the evidence". I can understand why, in the context, since Matthew has gone and debunked 3-A DMC threads constantly over the past few years, and he likely saw this thread as just being another one of those. But new arguments have been formulated; and a lot of new evidence. Again, I really do love him, and all the work he's put into the wiki. But I've got to admit, at this point it seems like he's just arguing for the sake of not admitting he was mistaken.BlackDarkness679 said:This is just beating a dead horse at this point, Mat is too stubborn to accept he is wrong or let the feats be accepted, his word shouldnt remain final in regards to the verse, its ridiculous how a person is put as the one that decides its tier, especially someone that lies about them and ignores things(like claiming Argosax>Mundus when its established at this point they are equal)
Well, there are a few arguments in my summary that have only been very lightly touched upon in recent times on the thread which might suffice. Also, while I do understand that the thread has gone through a lot of unnecessary back-and-forth, refusing to make another thread at this point is unarguably the most of the two evils. Rejecting a thread that's quite hotly debated without any definitive consensus just because it has gone on for a while is just ridiculous.Dante Demon Killah said:I don't think it's going to be any different if we don't add more arguments and evidences to the OP, honestly
I agree. Still, I think it's worth a shot at another thread, even if Matthew is practically impossible to convince about this topic.CryoTheMayo said:The annoying thing is that it can be quite difficult to gain new material if much of the material has already been explored and argued. It's either a waiting game or succesfully arguing for what is already present, which is difficult when the arguments are merely dismissed with no appropriate reasoning offered.
Alright. Should I use the summary in the previous thread, or the one I made a while back?Dante Demon Killah said:Well, go ahead the
Well, we know they exist. Not only are they shown in-game, but in Deadly Fortune it is stated that Nero went through "nightmarish recreations of past events" while traversing the Saviour. Perfectly in character at this point, Matthew has denied it's existence, but it's pretty clear that the pocket dimensions exist. The only truly debatable topic is the scale, which I have previously estimated to be approximately 4-A.Sparda 20000000 said:Is there anymore information on the saviour pocket dimensions?
The estimate was based off of multiple things. First of all, the dimensions all seem to be separate. This is evidenced by the constantly changing time of day between all the dimensions; if they were all the same dimension, that would mean the Saviour was intentionally changing the time of day himself willingly while focused on fighting Dante outside, which is just a strange assumption. On top of that, all the dimensions appear to have:LSirLancelotDuLacl said:Even though I remain relatively neutral to the whole thing, 4-A feels too much like an assumption. Beyond the Earth and the Sun, what else is seen? I wouldn't put it past me to see a starry sky, of course.
While you do actually bring up some good points that I haven't properly considered myself, admittedly I'm not so sure I agree. After all, the dimensions do appear to just be replicas of at least our solar system; not necessarily created specifically for Nero. The demon's he fights within clearly were created for Nero, but that's far smaller scale than creating whole dimensions. Given that the staircase-esque room you travel through in Mission 19 appears to have already been fully formed before Nero got there (or at least, whe he got there) I would imagine that he had created all of it beforehand.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:My personal interpretation is that as strange as it is to assume that he decided to change the dimension to suit Nero, it is very strange to assume he created all these dimensions that suit the specific event from Nero's memories that they are based on. The idea of thinking creating each one individually would somehow be easier, or require less of his thought or attention, than changing a single one is just... strange to me.
From the start it has no reasons to create them, and between Nero being absorbed and moving around the Savior there's just not much time. So why spend that effort and time making all these separate dimensions? In which case just having a singular one that changes in accordance with the next memory feels better to me.
Don't worry, I entirely understand what you mean. And I'm not saying it is definitively a 4-A feat; in fact, I've specifically mentioned before that at best this would be a "Likely 4-A" feat. So I understand where you are coming from, I just think the information and evidence we have still points more to one side than the other.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:In the first place we are already in a bigger than life insides of a demon powered statue, I am not sure how much the laws of common sense would follow while Nero "moves" from dimension to dimension, especially because in the first place, there's no reason to keep the dimension around after he leaves. And in a way, making it for the benefit of Nero so he has a "way" to move to the next stage makes sense in my mind. But I do understand it'd be hard to entirely agree with what I say.
Well, it wasn't necessarily Sanctus. It was the Saviour. Sanctus obviously has some level of control over the Saviour, but considering how Sanctus fought Nero and the Saviour fought Dante both at the same time, unless he's the best multi-tasker in the world it's far more likely that the Saviour can act on it's own if need be.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:Sanctus must be more bored than he would ever dare admit to craft this all up for Nero.