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Devil May Cry: Beastheads Revisions

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Beastheads General Resistances for Demons​

This here is all the evidence needed for proving demons resist Beastheads general abilities sans the more higher esoteric ones. The entire working and process is explained as well. This is current profile as of now for Beastheads. I will mention all general and esoteric abilities here

Abilities:​

  1. Reality Warping (Fate Manipulation/Blessing/Protection) -Binds the marked target to be consumed by Beastheads, those 'blessed' by said mark will be protected by Beastheads to survive all atrocities and threats until said fate is met. For example Beryl was marked for absorption, which allowed her to keep pace and confront various higher calibre foes and survive extreme phenomenon such as Demon Nexus and destruction of Void Mundus. Her Fate was only averted by intervention of Dante.
  2. Clairvoyance [Low 1-A] (Precognition, Retrocognition, Cosmic Awareness) - Is embodiment of past, present and future. Has awareness beyond every possible space, time and dimensions.
  3. Telekinesis/Telepathy - Can use mental powers such to manipulate objects or erase them such as when he eradicated Dante's E&I bullets which have souls. Can attempt mental possession of it's opponents.
  4. Reality Warping (Causality Manipulation) - Can manipulate events on greater scale than lesser demons. Part of it's fate manipulating abilities.
  5. Reality Warping (Space-Time Manipulation) -Is embodiment of time. Can manipulate space & time across all it's awareness, protecting it's marked victims even across realities. Capable of sending & bringing it's victims to & from alternate timelines.
  6. Demon World Energy Manipulation - Has direct access to energy of Demon World, thus all it's abilities.
  7. Soul Manipulation (DMC), Matter Manipulation, Absorption, Transmutation, Deconstruction, Corruption - Assimilation process, which assimilates human mass and soul by deconstructing them into basic magical energy, and in the process they also transmute human matter and soul to stone. Can also grant direct demonic physiology and abilities to it's user.
  8. Reactive Evolution & Accelerated Development - Beastheads can improve it's powers, abilities or gain new ones in proportion to how much it is pressured. Displayed by both Ducas and Chen while wielding Beastheads.
  9. Information Analysis, Analytical Prediction, Power Mimicry - Can read and copy skills, knowledge and abilities across all it's awareness. Can even create powerful replica weapons such as Demon Sword Sparda.
  10. Resistance to Power nullification and Absorption - Is unaffected by power draining room and gel.
  11. Death Manipulation - It's powers can make everything lose life and warmth, bringing death to the world.
  12. Law Manipulation - It not only defies laws but also distorts them heavily.
  13. Weather Manipulation and Vibration Manipulation - Warped the weather around it and shook the world.

Conclusive Resistances for Demons:​

  1. Fate Manipulation - Demons resist getting bound by Beastheads.
  2. Soul Manipulation (DMC), Matter Manipulation, Absorption, Transmutation, Deconstruction, Corruption - Demons resist assimilation.
  3. Death Manipulation - Demons don't die from death aura of Beastheads.

Range of Beastheads:​

Beastheads has influence over the entire multiverse and beyond. An example of this showcase is him transporting individuals between various timelines in multiverse, and protect it's marked victim in alternate timelines. This blog delves deep into the multiverse of DMC.

Potential Answers to Counter-Points​

Q: Why Low 1-A for clairvoyance?
A: The wiki is clear about how Low 1-A can be received. You don't need to prove Low 1-A cosmology or the existence of infinite higher dimensions anymore for it. The context for that statement there is that Chen—the scientist who is given all his life to research about Demons—has acquired Beastheads and upon getting control over it's power, started to describe its properties in which he verbatim stated that his ability allows him to see beyond all "possible" Dimensions (Spatial Dimensions) and Time (Temporal Dimensions). There is no room for interpretations here. Moreover, Beastheads provide him infinite knowledge on the subject soo this will simply be a result of that knowledge and frankly, we can't judge a statement on how true it is in the first place. Otherwise, we end up questioning everything on the wiki without any solid reasonings or backups.

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:​
 
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Semantics. Whatever you believe doesn't matter as the evidence there is as technical and blatant as it can get—straight forward & on point.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Uhuh. Let's interpret this thing in the most hyperliteral way without any nuance, and disregard the more likely interpretation just for the sake of high tiers.
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Sure. Lets interpret a really technical statement from a scientist who dedicated most of his life learning about Demons and have direct access to the nigh-omniscience knowledge of Beastheads which he can integrate into his experience who in-turn also have the ability to target its victim throughout parallel universes without any known limitations.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Sure. Lets interpret a really technical statement from a scientist who dedicated most of his life learning about Demons and have direct access to the nigh-omniscience knowledge of Beastheads which he can integrate into his experience who in-turn also have the ability to target its victim throughout parallel universes without any known limitations.
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Sure lets interpret a guy expressing his desire and his hunger for more knowledge no matter where as some literal low 1-A statement.
 
SuperSonicTL said:

Beastheads General Resistances for Demons​

This here is all the evidence needed for proving demons resist Beastheads general abilities sans the more higher esoteric ones. The entire working and process is explained as well. This is current profile as of now for Beastheads. I will mention all general and esoteric abilities here

Abilities:​

  1. Reality Warping (Fate Manipulation/Blessing/Protection) -Binds the marked target to be consumed by Beastheads, those 'blessed' by said mark will be protected by Beastheads to survive all atrocities and threats until said fate is met. For example Beryl was marked for absorption, which allowed her to keep pace and confront various higher calibre foes and survive extreme phenomenon such as Demon Nexus and destruction of Void Mundus. Her Fate was only averted by intervention of Dante.
  2. Clairvoyance [Low 1-A] (Precognition, Retrocognition, Cosmic Awareness) - Is embodiment of past, present and future. Has awareness beyond every possible space, time and dimensions.
  3. Telekinesis/Telepathy - Can use mental powers such to manipulate objects or erase them such as when he eradicated Dante's E&I bullets which have souls. Can attempt mental possession of it's opponents.
  4. Reality Warping (Causality Manipulation) - Can manipulate events on greater scale than lesser demons. Part of it's fate manipulating abilities.
  5. Reality Warping (Space-Time Manipulation) - Is embodiment of time. Can manipulate space & time across all it's awareness, protecting it's marked victims even across realities. Capable of sending & bringing it's victims to & from alternate timelines.
  6. Demon World Energy Manipulation - Has direct access to energy of Demon World, thus all it's abilities.
  7. Soul Manipulation (DMC), Matter Manipulation, Absorption, Transmutation, Deconstruction, Corruption - Assimilation process, which assimilates human mass and soul by deconstructing them into basic magical energy, and in the process they also transmute human matter and soul to stone. Can also grant direct demonic physiology and abilities to it's user.
  8. Reactive Evolution & Accelerated Development - Beastheads can improve it's powers, abilities or gain new ones in proportion to how much it is pressured. Displayed by both Ducas and Chen while wielding Beastheads.
  9. Information Analysis, Analytical Prediction, Power Mimicry - Can read and copy skills, knowledge and abilities across all it's awareness. Can even create powerful replica weapons such as Demon Sword Sparda.
  10. Resistance to Power nullification and Absorption - Is unaffected by power draining room and gel.
  11. Death Manipulation - It's powers can make everything lose life and warmth, bringing death to the world.
  12. Law Manipulation - It not only defies laws but also distorts them heavily.
  13. Weather Manipulation and Vibration Manipulation - Warped the weather around it and shook the world.

Conclusive Resistances for Demons:​

  1. Fate Manipulation - Demons resist getting bound by Beastheads.
  2. Soul Manipulation(DMC), Matter Manipulation, Absorption, Transmutation, Deconstruction, Corruption - Demons resist assimilation.
  3. Death Manipulation - Demons don't die from death aura of Beastheads.

Range of Beastheads:​

Beastheads has influence over the entire multiverse and beyond. An example of this showcase is him transporting individuals between various timelines in multiverse, and protect it's marked victim in alternate timelines. This blog delves deep into the multiverse of DMC.
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Okay, so I just looked through it and all the haxes are on point. Now inevitably I'm assuming that the Low 1-A clairvoyance range would be controversial. However, it shouldn't. The statement says that Chen wants knowledge that transcends not just some dimensions, several, or even a hundred, but all possible dimensions. There is no room to interpret this otherwise without sufficient evidence to warrant an alternative view. Furthermore, the standards are rather clear on that count (Under the question: What tier is transcending dimensions?) that this statement should be taken for what it is directly.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Sure lets interpret a guy expressing his desire and his hunger for more knowledge no matter where as some literal low 1-A statement.
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Which is something that Chen gets in knowledge considering that the Beastheads always grants the knowledge asked for throughout the narrative. You'd need evidence yourself to argue the Beastheads inability to grant this knowledge wish for some reason even though Chen following the wish affirms that he has infinite knowledge and would this have gotten his wish granted. Additionally, you technically are not confronting the argument as you're hitting a strawman since we're not arguing Low 1-A Chen in AP. Only knowledge. I would advise you be more careful in your responses as to not make similar strawmen of @SuperSonicTL's argument.
 
Unoriginal777 said:
Which is something that Chen gets in knowledge considering that the Beastheads always grants the knowledge asked for throughout the narrative. You'd need evidence yourself to argue the Beastheads inability to grant this knowledge wish for some reason even though Chen following the wish affirms that he has infinite knowledge and would this have gotten his wish granted. Additionally, you technically are not confronting the argument as you're hitting a strawman since we're not arguing Low 1-A Chen in AP. Only knowledge. I would advise you be more careful in your responses as to not make similar strawmen of @SuperSonicTL's argument.
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So is there or is there not a low 1-A cosmology?
 
Unoriginal777 said:
You don't need to even elaborate further because VSBW contends that beyond all possible dimensions is straightforward Low 1-A classification with the Q and A serving to reaffirm this notion. The statement is Low 1-A statement in and of itself.
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If there's no low 1-A cosmology then there's no low 1-A range. That's like saying humans have low 1-A knowledge for inventing the concept of set theory. So I would like you or OP to say whether this thread is trying to establish a low 1-A cosmology.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
If there's no low 1-A cosmology then there's no low 1-A range. That's like saying humans have low 1-A knowledge for inventing the concept of set theory. So I would like you or OP to say whether this thread is trying to establish a low 1-A cosmology.
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Take it up with the standards. The standards affirm that the statement itself affirms a Low 1-A affirmation. Regardless of lacking further information and Q and A clarifies this. By this logic R>F is not an Outerversal jump unless the thing being r>f is a larger cosmological structure.
 
Unoriginal777 said:
Take it up with the standards. The standards affirm that the statement itself affirms a Low 1-A affirmation. Regardless of lacking further information and Q and A clarifies this. By this logic R>F is not an Outerversal jump.
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🤦‍♂️

As a general rule-of-thumb, statements of being "above dimensions" and the like, whenever validly indicating a superiority over higher dimensions, fall under this tier without further context
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Are you referring to this? Because "without further context" isn't that you don't need context, it's literally just without further context that'd make it 1-A.
 
I'm not going to be able to read all this before I head out to enjoy my night on the town. I'll look more closely at the general hax resistance stuff later. Some stuff seems flowery, other stuff seems fine.

Skipping to the chase of what's most eyebrow-raising, I get your finding a kanji that can refer to "dimensions" as more esoteric than a normal universe. Well, at least according to someone's anonymous Discord text screenshot. But what cold hard facts do we have of those [insert kanji here]s being vertical/hierarchical, especially all the way up to High 1-B/literal infinite layers? You can be esoteric & still be parallel/non-hierarchical. 1-A anything is a tall claim & thus needs some good substance to it, so if you've got more to justify it then now's the time.

Also, not to sound like someone who can't read longer than the length of a tweet, but I recommend breaking up the paragraphs in your blog into bullet points. There's one monster of a sentence that's about four-and-a-half lines long & has five links in it, often putting them side-by-side. It'll be easier to digest & assess with good formatting.
 
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
I'm not going to be able to read all this before I head out to enjoy my night on the town. I'll look more closely at the general hax resistance stuff later. Some stuff seems flowery, other stuff seems fine.
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Fair enough. Have a great day.

Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
Skipping to the chase of what's most eyebrow-raising, I get your finding a kanji that can refer to "dimensions" as more esoteric than a normal universe. Well, at least according to someone's anonymous Discord text screenshot. But what cold hard facts do we have of those [insert kanji here]s being vertical/hierarchical, especially all the way up to High 1-B/literal infinite layers? You can be esoteric & still be parallel/non-hierarchical. 1-A anything is a tall claim & thus needs some good substance to it, so if you've got more to justify it then now's the time.
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There is unfortunately no other supporting evidence and so. However, as I already explained in my counter-point section of the thread, Chen is simply describing the nature of Beastheads and can receive all the knowledge from it. If he is describing his characteristics in clear manner in which many are shown through feats above then what's soo hard to grasp the protocols for Low 1-A that the statement clearly follows? One can't just simply judge a statement like anything they wish to—that's not how it works. We take evidence and statements head-on. I can go on and name verses on my finger tips that got abilities just like that but I don't bother because it would be taking eyes away from the main point here.

Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
Also, not to sound like someone who can't read longer than the length of a tweet, but I recommend breaking up the paragraphs in your blog into bullet points. There's one monster of a sentence that's about four-and-a-half lines long & has five links in it, often putting them side-by-side. It'll be easier to digest & assess with good formatting.
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Noted. Sorry for the inconvenience. I can't give promises but I'll see what I can do about it if possible, that is.
 
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Hasty12345 said:
Where's the evidence to suggest these dimensions are higher in nature and not reference to different timelines or spacetimes?
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The statement says beyond all "possible" dimensions (jigen refers to spatial dimensions) and time (jikan refers to temporal dimensions). It can't simply talk about timelines.

If it wished to talk about parallel worlds or timelines, it would more likely use words like jikū or sekai. But since it deliberately separates jigen from jikan, the intention is most likely an allusion to higher dimensions.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
The statement says beyond all "possible" dimensions (jigen refers to spatial dimensions) and time (jikan refers to temporal dimensions). It can't simply talk about timelines.

If it wished to talk about parallel worlds or timelines, it would more likely use words like jikū or sekai. But since it deliberately separates jigen from jikan, the intention is most likely an allusion to higher dimensions.
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Are there not realms in DMC without time?
 
Hasty12345 said:
Are there not realms in DMC without time?
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Uhh, I'm sorry? I don't understand what you mean by this.

Without time as in? There is Mundus' palace that is stated to exist outside of the flow of time alongside Mundus himself stated to exist beyond the flow of time. Other then that, I can't remember.

There is also Helfilth who is stated to wander beyond time and space but that simply be a reference to him travelling across the multiverse which PoC confirmed just recently.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Uhh, I'm sorry? I don't understand what you mean by this.

Without time as in? There is Mundus' palace that is stated to exist outside of the flow of time alongside Mundus himself stated to exist beyond the flow of time. Other then that, I can't remember.

There is also Helfilth who is stated to wander beyond time and space but that simply be a reference to him travelling across the multiverse which PoC confirmed just recently.
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So there are dimensions in the verse that are of weird natures, I think it's clear this isn't a low 1-A statement, it's not referring to all mathematically possible dimensions.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Uhh, I'm sorry? I don't understand what you mean by this.

Without time as in? There is Mundus' palace that is stated to exist outside of the flow of time alongside Mundus himself stated to exist beyond the flow of time. Other then that, I can't remember.

There is also Helfilth who is stated to wander beyond time and space but that simply be a reference to him travelling across the multiverse which PoC confirmed just recently.
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Really? Can you please provide a source for this? This is very interesting
 
this is very clearly just flowery language
the rest of the text supports the idea that his transformation is about becoming a being of pure, limitless desire for knowledge not some literal outerversal being. His words about transcending time and dimensions are hyperbole to express that nothing will stop his pursuit of knowledge.
 
Robo432343 said:
this is very clearly just flowery language
the rest of the text supports the idea that his transformation is about becoming a being of pure, limitless desire for knowledge not some literal outerversal being. His words about transcending time and dimensions are hyperbole to express that nothing will stop his pursuit of knowledge.
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You are ignoring the context here. It's not about AP and shit. It's just a smurf hax where he can see beyond all possible dimensions and time via Beastheads' precognition.

Even his knowledge is an extension of clairvoyance as that is where his knowledge stems from in the first place—because Beastheads provides him that knowledge. That's without mentioning he is a scientist who knows very well about the topics he is mentioning there so it's pretty credible. I don't see a problem with it.
 
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SuperSonicTL said:
dimensions (jigen refers to spatial dimensions) and time (jikan refers to temporal dimensions)
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This is wrong,

Jigen most of the time refers to dimension a generic term, be it either alternate world, reality, etc.....it isn't specifically refers to spatial dimension

Jikan when stand alone isn't mean temporal dimension, it just mean time in the term of talking about duration, often use to describe hours, for example, when you don't know what time is it and want to ask other about hour, you use the word "jikan"

Of course, jigen can mean mathematical dimensions, but it could be either spatial or temporal, not exclusively spatial, sometime can be used to describe both. Jikan also can be used to describe temporal dimension of course, not denying it, but this is heavily depend on contexts
 
Vietthai96 said:
This is wrong,

Jigen most of the time refers to dimension a generic term, be it either alternate world, reality, etc.....it isn't specifically refers to spatial dimension

Jikan when stand alone isn't mean temporal dimension, it just mean time in the term of talking about duration, often use to describe hours, for example, when you don't know what time is it and want to ask other about hour, you use the word "jikan"

Of course, jigen can mean mathematical dimensions, but it could be either spatial or temporal, not exclusively spatial, sometime can be used to describe both. Jikan also can be used to describe temporal dimension of course, not denying it, but this is heavily depend on contexts
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I understand your point and I was speaking specifically within the context of the statement above. Sorry if I didn’t clarify that earlier. I’m aware that jigen can also mean alternate worlds but in the way it was used there, it clearly referred to dimensions in their distinct sense.
 
I don't want to wade into this entire thread, but where did you get the translation in the OP from?
 
Actually, they haven't been around in ages, and I can't find that text from searching their post history.

@SuperSonicTL To approach this the other way, where exactly did YOU get that translation from? It was uploaded on Imgur 11 days ago. Who sent that Imgur link to you, or who provided you the text which you posted onto Imgur?
 
Agnaa said:
Actually, they haven't been around in ages, and I can't find that text from searching their post history.

@SuperSonicTL To approach this the other way, where exactly did YOU get that translation from? It was uploaded on Imgur 11 days ago. Who sent that Imgur link to you, or who provided you the text which you posted onto Imgur?
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We actually have a translation by Red, dunno why sonic just didn't screenshot his name and all. We got it around 4 years ago or so.

Wait for his dumb ass to post it here

Nvm
 
Agnaa said:
Actually, they haven't been around in ages, and I can't find that text from searching their post history.

@SuperSonicTL To approach this the other way, where exactly did YOU get that translation from? It was uploaded on Imgur 11 days ago. Who sent that Imgur link to you, or who provided you the text which you posted onto Imgur?
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Because I remade it again as his original translation is on Discord server where I'm in:

Feel free to ask him.
 
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