Devil Breaker Nero (DMC5)

[Mister6ame6]

Well, lets see if i'm can fix Devil Breaker Nero scaling in DMC5, so lets go on it:


Nero after training for one month to get stronger to face Urizen once again, by simply killing demons, he was stated by V and Griffon to have become much more stronger than before to the point that they think he stand a chance against Urizen, but unsure if he can win or not against him, even after he absorbed an entire month of human blood from the Qliphoth tree while later, Griffon mentions to Dante after he was awakened from his coma that if Nero fought Urizen in that moment and posterior, he will be killed by him thanks to him absorbing massive quantities of more human blood from the Qliphoth tree every single minute, but Nero was still able to evolve to eventually destroy Urizen's shield and hurt his hand and also survive multiple attacks from a full serius Urizen after that, even without a powerfull Devil Arm like Yamato, Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda.


Mind you that a Early Game DMC5 Dante was stated by V to have zero chance of winning against Urizen when they entered on top of the Qliphoth tree one mouth before Nero's training started, as Dante with Rebellion got completely bodied by Urizen for hours and later when he used Devil Sword Sparda (The strongest Sparda's sword), Dante still was bodied by Urizen and when he decided to stop messing around with Dante, he casually send Dante's flying to the point that he was put on coma for a entire mouth and needed constantly absorption of human blood to speed up his recovery.


Another important factor to remember is that, Nero after his training is massively stronger then Post-One Mouth of Human Blood boost Dante with Devil Sword Sparda included, since he was able to match Urizen's power after he encouter with V again, who was already much more stronger then Early Game DMC5 Dante with Rebellion or Devil Sword Sparda with absolute easy one mouth prior and while despite both contenders was absorbing human blood for a entire mouth, Urizen was absorbing massively more quantities of human blood, therefore, he is vastly superior than even after Dante awaken from his coma.


Now about Nero doing much better against Urizen in a short of time compared to Dante himself, even without a powerfull Devil Arm like Yamato, Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda, is because Nero despite having the same powers as Dante, Vergil and Sparda, thanks to them having the same blood and very similar soul as him to the point that Nero when he was fighting Dante he was sensing that he knew him for a long time and he was a older enemy of him. Nero does have much more potential than his predecessors, which would allow him to have superior feats without contradicting the lore, as proved that he was able to reach a level of power strong enough in one simple mouth that V and Griffon think he stand a chance against Urizen, but unsure if he can win or not against him, even after he absorbed an entire month of human blood from the Qliphoth tree while later, Griffon mentions to Dante after he was awakened from his coma that if Nero fought Urizen in that moment and posterior, he will be killed by him thanks to him absorbing massive quantities of more human blood from the Qliphoth tree every single minute, but Nero was still able to evolve to eventually destroy Urizen's shield and hurt his hand and also survive multiple attacks from a full serius Urizen after that, even without a powerfull Devil Arm like Yamato, Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda. Moreover, Nero have half the age of Dante and Vergil in DMC5 and is already on similar level of power as them in the story, who both conterdents already fought much more demons and specially much more powerful demons (Including Demon Kings Level Demons) in their life compared to Nero, and even got powerful boost from outside sources like Beasthead's, Qliphoth Tree's human blood, etc...

If this gets accepted it should go on the Accelerated Development and Reative Evolution of the Sparda Heritage section too.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

There is nothing to fix tho..

Nero after training for one month to get stronger to face Urizen once again, by simply killing demons, he was stated by V and Griffon to have become much more stronger than before to the point that they think he stand a chance against Urizen, but unsure if he can win or not against him, even after he absorbed an entire month of human blood from the Qliphoth tree while later, Griffon mentions to Dante after he was awakened from his coma that if Nero fought Urizen in that moment and posterior, he will be killed by him thanks to him absorbing massive quantities of more human blood from the Qliphoth tree every single minute, but Nero was still able to evolve to eventually destroy Urizen's shield and hurt his hand and also survive multiple attacks from a full serius Urizen after that, even without a powerfull Devil Arm like Yamato, Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda.

Nero training for 1 month is fine and all but it doesn't mean he is as strong as Urizen, same thing with V stating he has become stronger than before. None of those mean he is strong enough to face Urizen.

Also no, they never even imply Nero has a chance against urizen, the last scan you used confirms this as Griffon says Nero is gonna get killed. The reason why they are using Nero is because he is "their last chance", they need a miracle to happen and are hoping that Nero is able to make a miracle happen. This is also the reason why V wants to look for the Devil Sword Sparda and make Nero use it.

Moreover, this is all debunked by the "Nico report" about Nero regaining his old strength (most likely his DMC4 power).

Now, I know people use Nero breaking Urizen's shield as an argument but that is just an outlier. Nero has never demonstrated the power to keep up with any of the god tiers in the past but now he is able to fight the strongest demon of all times... after losing a large portion of his demonic powers and being reduced to his old strength.... yeah no, that isn't happening.

Mind you that a Early Game DMC5 Dante was stated by V to have zero chance of winning against Urizen when they entered on top of the Qliphoth tree one mouth before Nero's training started, as Dante with Rebellion got completely bodied by Urizen for hours and later when he used Devil Sword Sparda (The strongest Sparda's sword), Dante still was bodied by Urizen and when he decided to stop messing around with Dante, he casually send Dante's flying to the point that he was put on coma for a entire mouth and needed constantly absorption of human blood to speed up his recovery.

Dante was V best shot at defeating urizen and he got stomped. The group even believed Dante got killed, that's how Nero became their "last chance". But none of that proves Nero is now on similar grounds as the god tiers.

Another important factor to remember is that, Nero after his training is massively stronger then Post-One Mouth of Human Blood boost Dante, since he was able to match Urizen's power after he encouter with V again, who was already much more stronger then Early Game DMC5 Dante with Rebellion or Devil Sword Sparda with absolute easy one mouth prior and while despite both contenders was absorbing human blood for a entire mouth, Urizen was absorbing massively more quantities of human blood, therefore, he is vastly superior than even after Dante awaken from his coma.

This is the same thing you mentioned in the first paragraph. Are we going believe that out of nowhere and in 1 month of training Nero got strong enough to fight Urizen after he kept getting more blood?

Nero even gets slapped after his supposedly "easy feat" and then absolutely demolished.

Now about Nero doing much better against Urizen in a short of time compared to Dante himself, even without a powerfull Devil Arm like Yamato, Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda, is because Nero despite having the same powers as Dante, Vergil and Sparda, thanks to them having the same blood and very similar soul as him to the point that Nero when he was fighting Dante he was sensing that he knew him for a long time and he was a older enemy of him. Nero does have much more potential than his predecessors, which would allow him to have superior feats without contradicting the lore, as proved that he was able to reach a level of power strong enough in one simple mouth that V and Griffon think he stand a chance against Urizen, but unsure if he can win or not against him, even after he absorbed an entire month of human blood from the Qliphoth tree while later, Griffon mentions to Dante after he was awakened from his coma that if Nero fought Urizen in that moment and posterior, he will be killed by him thanks to him absorbing massive quantities of more human blood from the Qliphoth tree every single minute, but Nero was still able to evolve to eventually destroy Urizen's shield and hurt his hand and also survive multiple attacks from a full serius Urizen after that, even without a powerfull Devil Arm like Yamato, Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda. Moreover, Nero have half the age of Dante and Vergil in DMC5 and is already on similar level of power as them in the story, who both conterdents already fought much more demons and specially much more powerful demons (Including Demon Kings Level Demons) in their life compared to Nero, and even got powerful boost from outside sources like Beasthead's, Qliphoth Tree's human blood, etc...

Nothing about him sharing blood and soul with his predecessors means he is stronger than them or that he should be comparable to them tho. Yes, Nero has more potential than Dante but that potential is only realized at the end of the game when Nero achieves his very own devil trigger and even after that he is only able to compete with a tired Vergil.

As for the rest you are only repeating previous points. Nero being his last chance doesn't mean he is able to fight urizen, just that V has nothing else to throw at him. Surviving hits from him doesn't mean much when he is playing with him similar to Lady and Trish. Now if you are talking about the serious Urizen then he immediately slaps Nero as shown in the video above.

The last bit is irrelevant, Nero can be a baby and stronger than them but that doesn't mean his outliers will be acknowledged as relevant feats.



All in all, this upgrade is based on an outlier and V being desperate af to use anything to try and survive which also conflicts with in game statements about Nero only being just as strong as he used to be, V needing to make him stronger with DSD, Nero getting slapped like a fly when he does the outlier "feat" and then absolutely demolished. Pretty sure most people will disagree based on past discussions about this topic

 

[Mister6ame6]

There is nothing to fix tho..



Nero training for 1 month is fine and all but it doesn't mean he is as strong as Urizen, same thing with V stating he has become stronger than before. None of those mean he is strong enough to face Urizen.

He and Griffon was wondering and still cannot get a anwser if Nero wins or lose against Urizen, that's pretty inpressive statetement to have comming from this two, you are literally saying that they having a difficult to tell the outcome betwem a "Enpuza" and a Demon King, you are basically just mocking their inteligence with that along with pretending that all their previus showing of power sensing are not worth to be considered, which are. If they cannot say if Nero wins or lose against Urizen after one mouth of human blood boost, then it means he got to that level.

Also no, they never even imply Nero has a chance against urizen, the last scan you used confirms this as Griffon says Nero is gonna get killed. The reason why they are using Nero is because he is "their last chance", they need a miracle to happen and are hoping that Nero is able to make a miracle happen. This is also the reason why V wants to look for the Devil Sword Sparda and make Nero use it.

Griffon ask V a secondary opinion if he can win and V answer "Can't say" showing how indecisive he is to say if Nero wins or lose against Urizen. Griffon only says that after some time passed and they part away with Nero, which is already more then enougth time for Urizen to get stronger enougth to make Nero entire training uselless, which explain why he was seeing he was his last competetent choice to fight Urizen (He never entertain fighing Urizen with his summons, while he have a demon powerfull enougth to casually destroy the DW, which makes even more blatant how strong Nero became since only someone that match Urizen's power was enougth to make him change his mind and look for the DSS hinself, which is something that he never bother to do for both his summons or even Nero untill he showed he was the necessary strength to wield to use against Urizen)

Moreover, this is all debunked by the "Nico report" about Nero regaining his old strength (most likely his DMC4 power).

Scans plz, because the Nico Report that i'm checked say he got "strong then ever", which goes against what you are saying.

Now, I know people use Nero breaking Urizen's shield as an argument but that is just an outlier. Nero has never demonstrated the power to keep up with any of the god tiers in the past but now he is able to fight the strongest demon of all times... after losing a large portion of his demonic powers and being reduced to his old strength.... yeah no, that isn't happening.

Nero have way potencial then the others, so yeah, it can happen, especially as he feats backing up for this.

DMC4 Nero did go from Assault class (9B) to 7B in minutes fighing Dante while it took at least 2 years + many crazy amps+ taking his name back to get to the same tier, so yeah Nero can evolve in a fast pace then Dante and Vergil can at the same time, plus, even Dante and Vergil have potencial then Sparda if you compare how strong they are compared to Sparda while not even having one third of his age.

Btw, Mundus did reacth Demon King tier as they mention that he quickly rose to power very fast along with Bolverk jumping from Sparda Pre-Rebellion (Tier 6, likely H4-C atm in VS) to Sealed Sparda's level (1-C) and Argosax did go straight to Post-Fruit Mundus when he was born, which helps Nero being able to jump to that tier in one mouth even better imo as V already points he was able to It.

Dante was V best shot at defeating urizen and he got stomped. The group even believed Dante got killed, that's how Nero became their "last chance". But none of that proves Nero is now on similar grounds as the god tiers.

Because V never entertain the ideia of using Nightmare against Urizen, who is 1-C or Trish and Lady after they get rescued by him, which shows that being his "last choice" is not the same of "Everione fits for me lul", even Nero hinself needed to prove that he was stronger enougth to wield DSS after for V to decide to look for the sword while before that he never entertain the ideia of doing such a thing even Nero being his last choice (And say he can wield the sword better then him and the summons, which by Devil Arms rules Nero scale above then by massive degrees just by that alone)

This is the same thing you mentioned in the first paragraph. Are we going believe that out of nowhere and in 1 month of training Nero got strong enough to fight Urizen after he kept getting more blood?

If V was wondering if Nero can defeat or not Urizen after his training and changed his mind and decide to look for DSS because he was the strength necessary now to use it, yes we should, plus, we have demons jumping on that tier in a very fast pace, which makes Nero being on that tier even more easy to believe, especially as the the guy with the superior physiology of the verse.

Nero even gets slapped after his supposedly "easy feat" and then absolutely demolished.

He took multiple from a serius Urizen while before that Urizen was just shilling on his thone, got pissed and decide to kick his ass, but thanks to superior physiology he did way better then Dante did in both ocasions.

Nothing about him sharing blood and soul with his predecessors means he is stronger than them or that he should be comparable to them tho. Yes, Nero has more potential than Dante but that potential is only realized at the end of the game when Nero achieves his very own devil trigger and even after that he is only able to compete with a tired Vergil.

Sharing the same blood and soul as Sparda means they scale to its others power, Nero having more potencial just means he can evolve in fast pace then others and that will never contradicts the scaling as he is the Gohan of the DMC verse.

As for the rest you are only repeating previous points. Nero being his last chance doesn't mean he is able to fight urizen, just that V has nothing else to throw at him. Surviving hits from him doesn't mean much when he is playing with him similar to Lady and Trish. Now if you are talking about the serious Urizen then he immediately slaps Nero as shown in the video above.

This was adressed above, so to not repeat the same thing, just read what i'm write above.

The last bit is irrelevant, Nero can be a baby and stronger than them but that doesn't mean his outliers will be acknowledged as relevant feats.

Having more potencial does alow him to that, the entire outlier argument is "Dante failed, Nero can't do better" while the lore agree he have more potencial then the others, which explain why his feats are overall imo.

All in all, this upgrade is based on an outlier and V being desperate af to use anything to try and survive which also conflicts with in game statements about Nero only being just as strong as he used to be, V needing to make him stronger with DSD, Nero getting slapped like a fly when he does the outlier "feat" and then absolutely demolished. Pretty sure most people will disagree based on past discussions about this topic

V was desperate but not that much that only decide to look for DSS because he was stronger enougth to wield it now after his training and ignoring Nero being the superior physiology wise of the Sparda guys, so yeah, the entire argument against Nero is missing context about V being desperate to survive and Nero being equal to Dante, Vergil and Sparda.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Bump?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I have same opinion as Tony.

Arguement that Nero being able to wield DSS doesn't work because sword chooses not just based on strength but also worthiness. Which even Trish has showcased. We already treat her a baseline standard to be able to qualify for wielding DSS, i.e 4C/6C. But Nero is already 4C/6C. So the DSS arguement is useless.

As an attempt to solve this frequently arisng issue. I can suggest an alternative.

Have Nero get Rage power,
"Can momentarily show a fraction of his true strength in desperate situations, allowing him to move and punch above his weight and speed class."
We know the entire context behind Nero in that moment is the latent potential which has been building up for so long hasn't recieved a proper outlet untill end of 5. When he breaks Urizen's shield could a moment that latent potential was revealed for a single moment and then went cold once more.

So we don't need to upgrade to 1C Breaker Nero. But we can give him small upgrade to match context of story and keep both sides happy.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Well, it does work, specially that some demons are show to raise their power in fast pace, like Mundus quickly rosing to power, Argosax doing the same to match Post-Fruit Mundus, etc.

And Nero at this point still don't know how to properly control his power.

So, yeah, i'm fine with that.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

"Can momentarily show a fraction of his true strength in desperate situations, allowing him to move and punch above his weight and speed class."

So this statement is satisfactory?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So this statement is satisfactory?

It isn't, it's still a weak ass attempt to justify an outlier.

Nero has never even been hinted at being capable of using his potential power like that, not in DMC 4 where he was the angriest, not in novels and not in DMC 5 where he wasn't even as angry as DMC4.

There is a reason why his DT at the end of the game is such a "woow " thing and it's because his power was finally let out, if he had access to it in "kinda angry" moments then it would have been, at the very least, hinted but no.

Well, it does work, specially that some demons are show to raise their power in fast pace, like Mundus quickly rosing to power, Argosax doing the same to match Post-Fruit Mundus, etc.

And Nero at this point still don't know how to properly control his power.

So, yeah, i'm fine with that.

How is that even comparable to what is being proposed here?



But no, this thing isn't happening.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So if hints of linking rage and latent potential appear for Nero would it be acceptable?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So if hints of linking rage and latent potential appear for Nero would it be acceptable?

You would need some Gohan type of showing/exposition for it to be acceptable

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Fair enough

 

[Mister6ame6]

How is that even comparable to what is being proposed here?

Because Nero having way more potencial then the others Sparda boys, which is backed by him growing stronger then Dante in the same time (It took Dante 2 years + multiple amps to the same that Nero did against Dante in the church for example) as i'm explained above, but since he don't know how to properly control his power, he can only show a hint of his true potencial under massive stress, which fits with many demons in the séries jumping to Demon King tier in a very quick time frame.

 

[Mister6ame6]

So if hints of linking rage and latent potential appear for Nero would it be acceptable?

Should i'm make the argument for Nero being stronger then DMC4 Dante after he resonate with Devil Sword Sparda inside the Savior now?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Should i'm make the argument for Nero being stronger then DMC4 Dante after he resonate with Devil Sword Sparda inside the Savior now?

So I can destroy it? You can try....

 

[Theglassman12]

Why would this be accelerated development and reactive evolution for him training and getting stronger? None of this screams either abilities.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Why would this be accelerated development and reactive evolution for him training and getting stronger? None of this screams either abilities.

Well, since he got stronger in one single mouth by training to the point he became even stronger then Dante Pre-SDT, i thought it would qualify for that, since it is show how faster he got on that tier by simple mere training with fodder demons, which would qualify for Accelerated Development as far i'm know.

Reactive Evolution is because of him being able to close a gap of power much bigger then hinself as mentioned by Griffon that Nero did go from a worth match for Urizen to be crushed like a bug, but he still was able to close that in minutes something that even Dante failed misserably to do (It would probably be better called Reactive Power Level instead of Reactive Evolution, but we don't have a separete page for both abilites in the demon physiology page hence why i'm called Reactive Evolution instead of Reactive Power Level).

 

[Theglassman12]

I still don’t see accelerated development here, especially when Nero still gets bodied by Urizen in the end so this just sounds like training more than him getting a faster development than normal.

Reactive evolution has absolutely nothing to do with him getting stronger over the span of a month, that’s literally him just getting stronger via training. By that logic literally everyone who trains gets reactive evolution for that when that’s not how it works in the first place.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I still don’t see accelerated development here, especially when Nero still gets bodied by Urizen in the end so this just sounds like training more than him getting a faster development than normal.

I think some context is needed.

Nero after he lost his arm is weaker than a Blitz, and struggles to kill one first day of training. So basically he is less than 8C, but he jumps to 6C/4C by the time his campaign starts in 5 for real, stronger than he ever has been, just by fighting fodder
Compared to his past self which needed extremely difficult fights and one external amp(Yamato) to power his ass, Breaker Nero is impressive.....also his physiology is also downgraded because of loss of his arm.
Despite this he shows unnatural Accelerered Development than normal.

That's why he currently has AD on profile.

 

[Theglassman12]

I also don’t really see how Nero would be stronger than Dante here when urizen didn’t even try against either, a small scratch isn’t enough for Nero to be stronger than Dante, let alone comparable to urizen.

@GilverTheProtoAngelo Is there any statements that he’s able to develop his skills at a far faster rate than normal or no?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

@GilverTheProtoAngelo Is there any statements that he’s able to develop his skills at a far faster rate than normal or no?

I don't see the need for one if he demonstrated it by his actions. Events are clear for everyone to see.

Besides AD isn't the proposal here since it's already on profile. Mister is just using it for justification to claim Nero is 1C. Which I already don't agree with.

 

[Theglassman12]

@GilverTheProtoAngelo accelerated development and RE was proposed as more evidence in this thread. Also actions isn’t enough, there’d need to be a statement that he’s able to develop far faster than normal as opposed to him just getting stronger through training, which seems to be the case with the timeskip.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Also actions isn’t enough, there’d need to be a statement that he’s able to develop far faster than normal as opposed to him just getting stronger through training, which seems to be the case with the timeskip.

Just a correction but actions are enough, nowhere in this wiki has it been required for a statement when it literally happens in text or screen.

Also accelerated development through training is literally in the wiki page so it qualifies.

To quote it: The character gains increased results from performing training appropriate for raising a statistic or ability

Something Nero does as he regains his old (DMC 4) strength during the month going from 8C to 6C

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Also actions isn’t enough, there’d need to be a statement that he’s able to develop far faster than normal as opposed to him just getting stronger through training, which seems to be the case with the timeskip.

It certainly is. I don't believe statements are needed for each and every tidbit, when it's just shown onscreen or on page.

Nero has been traning his whole life since he was kid and never went past superhuman at best, he never achieved those results before. Meanwhile under similar conditions Nero in BtN goes from 8C to 6C/4C in a month.
There's clearly a difference.

 

[Mister6ame6]

I also don’t really see how Nero would be stronger than Dante here when urizen didn’t even try against either, a small scratch isn’t enough for Nero to be stronger than Dante, let alone comparable to urizen.

Is more because of how V compares Nero after his training of how he perform against Urizen compared to Dante himself.

V mentions that he don't know if Nero wins or lose against him while for Dante he was 100% sure he get destroyed by him (Hence why he got desperated in the fist place)

Nero on similar conditions of Dante whitheout a powerfull Devil Arm (Devil Sword Sparda) was able to do much better then Dante in a very fast pace and while Dante got put in a coma just by one very casual single punch a entire mouth, Nero was able to hold his own for a while and did much better in a short time frame including against a even full serius Urizen, which goes on the line of what V said about him against Urizen vs Dante against Urizen.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Tony_di_bugalu so it’s just a training AD at best. Sounds redundant to even use for the page but whatever.

@Mister6ame6 Where did he say Dante would 100% lose the entire time? And again Urizen is not a good scale to use here when he didn’t even try against either characters and still stomped. None of that remotely implies Nero’s stronger, especially when Dante still thinks Nero’s not ready for the final fight with Urizen later on.

 

[Mister6ame6]

@Mister6ame6 Where did he say Dante would 100% lose the entire time? And again Urizen is not a good scale to use here when he didn’t even try against either characters and still stomped. None of that remotely implies Nero’s stronger, especially when Dante still thinks Nero’s not ready for the final fight with Urizen later on.

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Well, the thing is that Urizen is getting constantly bumped with human blood all the time, which keeps making him stronger that's why both V and Griffon goes are wondering if he can defeat Urizen or not, but later Griffon mentions that he will get killed by Urizen despite being able to match his power some hours later, which explains why he got stomped when he fough him.

Plus, V even changed his mind and decide to look for DSS for Nero since he mentions that he have the necessary strength (Body, Mind, Soul and Will) to wield it to fight Urizen something that he and the summons don't have It, which solidies that is on the same league as Dante and Urizen.

About Dante saying he is not ready to fight Urizen, that's was after he eat the demonic fruit, this Urizen is on different league of power then the other one that Nero fought.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Plus, V even changed his mind and decide to look for DSS for Nero since he mentions that he have the necessary strength (Body, Mind, Soul and Will) to wield it to fight Urizen something that he and the summons don't have It, which solidies that is on the same league as Dante and Urizen.

You forget Dante was considered dead, and Nero was the only option left. He was the only one capable of wielding Sparda due to his bloodline.
None of this proves he is greater than Dante, because they still request Dante to save Nero after he immediately wakes up.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

so it’s just a training AD at best. Sounds redundant to even use for the page but whatever.

Words matter little here, since the training involved nothing but fighting low level demons for one month straight. Just fighting continuously allowed him to be stronger. So it's definitely not redundant.

 

[Mister6ame6]

You forget Dante was considered dead, and Nero was the only option left. He was the only one capable of wielding Sparda due to his bloodline.
None of this proves he is greater than Dante, because they still request Dante to save Nero after he immediately wakes up.

Yes, but Nero only was chosen was option to wield DSS after his training, which shows he needed to prove he was worth they time, so don't think bloodline really is the only requeriment here, they mentions that he was the strength necessary to use it something that he and his summons are too weak for that, which would have to make him stronger then them by demonic arms rules.

I kinda explained this in the op and in my last comment why they ask Dante to save him after he wake up, Urizen just got way stronger then Nero because of human blood shit. Its don't contradicts anything i'm said here.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yes, but Nero only was chosen was option to wield DSS after his training, which shows he needed to prove he was worth they time, so don't think bloodline really is the only requeriment here, they mentions that he was the strength necessary to use it something that he and his summons are too weak for that, which would have to make him stronger then them by demonic arms rules.

Nero is second strongest fighter on heroes side after Dante, he is also a Sparda, thus capable of possibly obtaining full strength from DSS. But he is still considered 2nd to Dante...both in strength and in preference as a Sparda. There's a good reason DSS is still Dante's primary weapon and his true strength. He is the proper inheritor of the sword and worthy of all the strength it offers.

I kinda explained this in the op and in my last comment why they ask Dante to save him after he wake up, Urizen just got way stronger then Nero because of human blood shit. Its don't contradicts anything i'm said here.

This proves opposite.
Also are we forgetting Urizen toys a lot with his opponent? He is same guy who faught for an hour against Lady and Trish, despite being capable of killing them just by breathing in their general direction. Yet he doesn't. Same is with Nero.

Only other opponent who is given any semblence of respect is Dante. And even that is limited.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Nero is second strongest fighter on heroes side after Dante, he is also a Sparda, thus capable of possibly obtaining full strength from DSS. But he is still considered 2nd to Dante...both in strength and in preference as a Sparda. There's a good reason DSS is still Dante's primary weapon and his true strength. He is the proper inheritor of the sword and worthy of all the strength it offers.

Its still don't change that he being a Sparda need a specif level of power to wield DSS to fight Urizen, V wanted someone that at least can prove to be worth to have a decent chance against Urizen, so Nero being that weak kinda goes against the narrative and what V did and said

This proves opposite.

Elaborate, because V and Griffon wondering if he can win or not against Urizen while later he mentions that he will be killed by him is just explained by him getting stronger thought human blood, unless you believe that Griffon is stupid by contradicting what he said earlier.

Also are we forgetting Urizen toys a lot with his opponent? He is same guy who faught for an hour against Lady and Trish, despite being capable of killing them just by breathing in their general direction. Yet he doesn't. Same is with Nero.

He was other plans for the girls, he mentions that in BtN. For Nero and Dante we are using V comparing how both performs against Urizen to show that Nero doing better then Dante is inpressive feat for him, which shows how strong he became in one single mouth of training.

 

[Theglassman12]

You didn’t send the right scan btw, you just sent the PoC nightmare scan.

 

[Mister6ame6]

You didn’t send the right scan btw, you just sent the PoC nightmare scan.

Sorry for that.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Its still don't change that he being a Sparda need a specif level of power to wield DSS to fight Urizen

Which Trish's level of power, AKA 6C/4C.

V wanted someone that at least can prove to be worth to have a decent chance against Urizen, so Nero being that weak kinda goes against the narrative and what V did and said

Nero doesn't have decent chance, he is the only chance as slim as it might be. Because he is second strongest person compared to Dante.

Elaborate, because V and Griffon wondering if he can win or not against Urizen while later he mentions that he will be killed by him is just explained by him getting stronger thought human blood, unless you believe that Griffon is stupid by contradicting what he said earlier.

Give me some scans.

He was other plans for the girls, he mentions that in BtN. For Nero and Dante we are using V comparing how both performs against Urizen to show that Nero doing better then Dante is inpressive feat for him, which shows how strong he became in one single mouth of training.

Which we currently consider outlier at worst or Urizen holding back and toying at best

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This whole thing is basically

V: out of options, uses whatever he can get his hands on

Mister: Nero is stronger than Dante because Nero is V's last chance

 

[Mister6ame6]

Which Trish's level of power, AKA 6C/4C.

You know very well what V said in that scene, he have the strength that he and his summons don't have to use it, which is impressive because Nightmare is included in that statetement. He wanted someone that at least can have a chance against Urizen and not get completely destroyed by him with DSS.

Nero doesn't have decent chance, he is the only chance as slim as it might be. Because he is second strongest person compared to Dante.

Check the OP i'm explained that there.

Give me some scans.

The OP dude

Which we currently consider outlier at worst or Urizen holding back and toying at best

Which we should not because reconizes the characters's power, that he at least have fair chance against Urizen untill he eventually became stronger then him because of human blood boost.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

We already went over the Nightmare shit a ton of times. No nightmare is never included because he doesn't have the power to bust him out for prolonged periods of time.

 

[Mister6ame6]

So a guy way weaker then Nightmare is a better option for DSS even if he gets way inferior results then him for a short time? That's don't make sense but ok.

Plus, Griffon and Shadow are on the same level in the scaling (At peak power), then why would V change his mind and regrets not getting DSS for demons that was already on Nero's level while he even doubt Nero will get some relevant power up in the end?

 

[Theglassman12]

Yeah I’m still not convinced on Dante being weaker than Nero here.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

You know very well what V said in that scene, he have the strength that he and his summons don't have to use it, which is impressive because Nightmare is included in that statetement. He wanted someone that at least can have a chance against Urizen and not get completely destroyed by him with DSS.

Bro, you they literally don't have hands or even simple intelligence to wield it. Like seriously?
You really think V would consider his summons as candidates to wield DSS?

So a guy way weaker then Nightmare is a better option for DSS even if he gets way inferior results then him for a short time? That's don't make sense but ok.

Plus, Griffon and Shadow are on the same level in the scaling (At peak power), then why would V change his mind and regrets not getting DSS for demons that was already on Nero's level while he even doubt Nero will get some relevant power up in the end?

I cannot believe you made such an arguement.
Bro wtf?