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Deoxys vs goku
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XSOULOFCINDERX
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Did you make this a stomp on purpose or what? Deoxys Blitzes and One-Shots without even trying.
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Oh, I'll equalise speed then
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Deoxys still One-Shots Goku so it's still a stomp.
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How? They're both 5-B and deoxys has no hax
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Goku is Baseline while Deoxys is like nearly 900 Zettatons. That's a monumental AP Difference.
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Maybe use another key for goku
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Like what?
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Ginyu saga key maybe?
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I used namek saga goku now
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mismatch goku only upscales.
Rez
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This Goku is not baseline
This is how the scaling chain goes
Goku(kaioken)>>Ginyu>Goku>>Recoome>Jeice=>Burter>>>Vegeta(post zenkai)>Zarbon(transformed)>>Vegeta(namek)>Zarbon>dodoria>great ape Vegeta>>x4 Goku>Kaioken x3 Goku(Saiyan saga)>Saiyan saga Vegeta(baseline)
I probably missed a few characters here and there
But yeah still probably a stomp
This is how the scaling chain goes
Goku(kaioken)>>Ginyu>Goku>>Recoome>Jeice=>Burter>>>Vegeta(post zenkai)>Zarbon(transformed)>>Vegeta(namek)>Zarbon>dodoria>great ape Vegeta>>x4 Goku>Kaioken x3 Goku(Saiyan saga)>Saiyan saga Vegeta(baseline)
I probably missed a few characters here and there
But yeah still probably a stomp
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You are right Goku is not above baseline I'm stupid. But that scaling chain is scuffed. It's actually like this.
Baseline = Vegeta < Cui < dodoria < zarbon <<< Kaioken 3x Goku = vegeta namek <<< monster zarbon <<< Vegeta post zenkai << recoom < burter ~ jeice <<< Goku (this Goku is above his kk4x but IDK where that scales here) < ginyu <<< Goku kaioken up to 10x (793.33 zettatons).
Unfortunately still not enough to beat deoxys and Goku gets outlasted very very quickly so it's still a stomp.
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I guess this match is impossible to be made. The next key of goku is High 5-A/Low 4-C.
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Deoxys still has HAX so it might be fair.
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High 5-A Goku slaps by blinking, what can deoxys do?
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It might actually be fair, deoxys can last for about a minute against the high 3-A mega rayquaza cause of his regeneration, so I'll make it high 5-A goku vs deoxys and I'll make speed unequal, mftl+ deoxys vs mftl goku
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Goku doesn't have high 3-A
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Misspelled so I edited it to high 5-A
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Deoxys Blitzes and Mindhaxxes Goku after he runs through all his other options.
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Goku slaps with a punch, Deoxys doesn't stand a chance. But just equalize speed because deoxys blitzes this key.
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Mindhax GG
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Depends on if he starts with it and how long it takes, also what is the move that allows him to mind hax?
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Yeah deoxys blitz really badly and mindhaxs
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With a form change that boosts speed, a move that boosts speed, a precog for defensive dodging, after image creation, teleportation, and a forcefield with Protect, Deoxys is probably avoiding being hit, and realizing that Mind Hax is nessisary regardless of how in-character it is to start.
Deoxys does his floaty wiggly alien thing and plays keepaway wth Goku while figuring this out.
Also Zap Canon will Paralyze if ever used, so another thing that makes Goku slower, even if it does basically nothing damage-wise.
I'd say speed equal or not, Goku just probably can't touch them.
Deoxys does his floaty wiggly alien thing and plays keepaway wth Goku while figuring this out.
Also Zap Canon will Paralyze if ever used, so another thing that makes Goku slower, even if it does basically nothing damage-wise.
I'd say speed equal or not, Goku just probably can't touch them.
Rez
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This wasn't done in a combat situation
Rez
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Deoxys didn't try mind hax even when he was getting beaten up badly by rayquaza and teleportation and after images aren't an issue because of ki sensing and also the fact that every one in db can use after images and the precog comes from his move detect which it will need to use first but all of this is pointless since I am sure deoxys speed blitz here even without speed form apms
XitSign
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Tracking mobility doesn't totally negate the value of added mobility. Deoxys can teleport, Goku can't in this key.
Precog being activated to work doesn't mean it's not an advantage.
An intelligent creature like Deoxys resorting to out of character moves when the opponent is no selling every other option is reasonable.
Fight's probably going to go to speed equal before being closed, just listing everything of value to note.
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Doesn't matter Deoxys literally can spam his moves dozens of times before Goku can even blink
Rez
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Expect it didn't when rayquaza was absolutely destroying it on multiple occasions
Ki sensing somewhat counters teleportation
Sure it's definitely somewhat of an advantage but it's not that big of an advantage especially since it waste time to actually activate in a speed equal match this will give Goku a chance to attack deoxys rather easily
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dang this sucks because Goku can't just kaioken and blitz unfortunately. Anyway I can't see Goku not winning, it doesn't matter if deoxys can speed amp, Goku blinks and one shots regardless, and I'm pretty sure Goku should have the edge in fighting skill.
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Deoxys speed blitz Goku here
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I'll equalise speed then, also one thing you guys seem to forget about is deoxys' regeneration
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