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Delete Sun wukong proflie, out of context, bad translation. This profile have everything

I am newbie and not good at English so forgive me .

  • Out of Context
  • I see a lot of scan are cut out of context . For example :
  • 1.Wukong never reach the end of heaven. In here , wukong mistake the 5 pillars are the end , so he come back tell Buddla he has come to the end of heaven( Buddha cant not become universe for another reason).

  • Wukong cant grown as bis as universe. This require you to read full arc to understand what the author want to say , to summary after the monk release wukong, wukong tell the monk he is a big guy, he can do everything so go the the west heaven are easy. Until reality hit wukong, when a random black bear demon turn wukong into clown. For this reason I cant not upload the full arc , it very long.
  • Wukong don’t have 72 live, there are 2 reason
  • -That is form baijie tell wuzhin when he see wukong dead. The shock cause him cant think straight. My translation are better at this : “Elder Brother,” said Sha Monk, as tears filled his eyes, “what a pity you have to go like that! You were Someone who never aged through countless years. Now you have died young in the middle of the way.” With a chuckle, Eight Rules said, “Brother, stop crying. This ape is pretending to be dead, just to scare us.



  • Everyone know 72 earth spell or 36 heaven spell. Because in Taosit myth, Trinity come to earth and teach all life spell to avoid reincarnation, if wukong has 72 spell, what about other demon, immortal.
2.Bad Translation

  • This is old translation and very bad translation, many thing are wrong . For example :

  • 1.Wukong never summon his clone, but his child. Many time he see his child get hurt he re cast the spell and then collect them, his child also not that strong . Vs battle scane form 6 ears monkey arc , it not fake scan but wrong scan .

  • Wukong don’t erase his name but censord the name of his species.

  • Wukong Spell are call earth spell or fiend spell . There are no transformation spell here.

3.Toaist lore

  • So I introduce you to a tiny part of Taoist lore and why it is contradict with Buddhism
  • In Toaist, trinity teach human spell to stop reincarnation that is not die -> become immotarl
  • Chinese think they are the center of the world so when they become immortal , they go to the cloud and build heaven on it. The cloud are white land , thus there are many kingdom on heaven, many king and Jade are emperor of all heaven. The west heaven rule by INdra. Buddha only have 1 mountain belong to him.
  • Jade Emperor and Buddha mountain cant be center of the wolrd .
  • In Toaist there are 3 wolrd: Low world are earth, middle world are heaven, high world are the sky which are the place of true god like nuwa and trinity.
  • 2 of Trinity are wukong manster and the guy throm the ring knock out wukong.
  • Trinity go around earth and teach human spell so everyone learn 36 heaven spell or 72 earth spell or 18 sky spell. These spell are make up form author base on 3 world, there are no record of the spell in Taoist. Wukong use the weakest spell.
4.Remove any myth that is not confirm or contradict in the novel ?

From what I see, this page and death battle bring real myth in the novel that is incorrect or contradict. Because China are famous for their rewrite history,religion .
  • They write a fiction character above Trinity and Chinese people accept it .
  • In Taoist, there are Trinity which also appear in the novel, a chinese write a book create Lingbao Tianzun, a being higher than Trinity and Chinese people believe it. This book also rewrite a lot about Toaist and Buddhism
I recommend to use the new translation .The one translate 72 earth fiend spell not transformation spell
I think the person upload wukong feat are a liar. They keep using the old translation , and dont upload full content.
 
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This is not the place to request for a deletion of a character, it can be requested here.

Thread 'Profile Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)' https://vsbattles.com/threads/profile-deletion-requests-thread-new-forum.107528/

I disagree with this anyway
The thread is usually used for profiles that have good reasons to be deleted, and won't cause a back-and-forth argument. Considering this is a discussion about a popular tier 1 profile, it'd probably be better to have a seperate thread about it.

Besides that, I'm neutral until arguments from the other side come up.
 
The thread is usually used for profiles that have good reasons to be deleted, and won't cause a back-and-forth argument. Considering this is a discussion about a popular tier 1 profile, it'd probably be better to have a seperate thread about it.
Mhm I didn't know, thanks for letting me know 🙏
 
There is no need to delete the page. Because through my request, Wukong's page has the Outdated Template on it.

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Your concern for the page is deeply appreciated.
 
There is no need to delete the page. Because through my request, Wukong's page has the Outdated Template on it.

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Your concern for the page is deeply appreciated.
I think we still need to delete it for 2 reason:
1. Many people still look into wukong to power scaling from this site like deathbattle. I meet a lot of them on many site and they use vsbattle as source. OTher site use all the scane from vsbattle so no one know about it outdated except this site.
2. People still try to update wukong profie. Even use the old translation and mistranslation. Furthermore they even ignore Toaist myth and only bring Bubbha myth.
If nothing change right now , people will continue misunderstood wukong

So at least i want to block his proflie or remove all other buddha feat in the novel or real life, all of his ability.
He only has moutain level at best consider he fight erlang who cut moutain. He carry 2 moutain and run so that is okay but he is not run to the end of heaven, he has no lightspeed feat.
 
I think we still need to delete it for 2 reason:
1. Many people still look into wukong to power scaling from this site like deathbattle. I meet a lot of them on many site and they use vsbattle as source. OTher site use all the scane from vsbattle so no one know about it outdated except this site.
2. People still try to update wukong profie. Even use the old translation and mistranslation. Furthermore they even ignore Toaist myth and only bring Bubbha myth.
If nothing change right now , people will continue misunderstood wukong

So at least i want to block his proflie or remove all other buddha feat in the novel or real life, all of his ability.
He only has moutain level at best consider he fight erlang who cut moutain. He carry 2 moutain and run so that is okay but he is not run to the end of heaven, he has no lightspeed feat.
1. Now that it has the Outdated Templae. People will realize, that the page is not reliable and can not be used. Least not with Huuuuge grains of salt.

2. Even with people trying to update it, it will not go through given the huge standards for CRT. And with the general consensus of people knowin me and Udl will handle it.
 
I'm currently sorting out the JTTW profiles myself, I plan to sort out the entire verse with my understanding of Daoist and Buddhist practices and lore, here's a sample of my blog:

The Myriad Explanations

It becomes important to point out when discussing Wandering some Way particular Chinese and Daoist linguistic uses, most notably their penchant for using large numbers as figurative representations, similarly, the Buddhist tradition for comparisons of large bodies to infinity.

Examples:

Most notably comes from Wukong's Art of the Earthly multitude, Multitude of the Earthly Fiends or just simply 72 transformations. The 72 in the name doesn't refer to a set 72 number of transformations with which Wukong can turn into, especially given Wukong transforms into more than 72 things throughout the book, rather it refers to the 36 "Heavenly Spirits" (三十六天罡) and the 72 "Earthly Demons" (七十二地煞)[1], this is outlined by Wukong's teacher asking of which does Wukong want to learn;

“Very well, then,” said the Patriarch, “what method of escape would you like
to learn? There is the Art of the Heavenly Ladle, which numbers thirty-six transformations, and there is the Art of the Earthly Multitude, which numbers seventy-two transformations.” Wukong said, “Your pupil is always eager to catch more fishes, so I’ll learn the Art of the Earthly Multitude.” “In that case,” said the Patriarch, “come up here, and I’ll pass on the oral formulas to you.” He then whispered something into his ear, though we do not know what sort of wondrous secrets he spoke of. But this Monkey King was someone who, knowing one thing, could understand a hundred!
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~ The Journey to the West, Revised Edition, Volume 1, pg. 134

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The next example is Wukong's alleged ability to somersault 108,000 li into the air. 十萬八千里; 十万八千里; shí wàn bā qiān lǐ, 108,000 li, doesn't translate literally, and instead simply means "Great distance"[2][3] or "Too far apart"/"Not even close"[4], and thus, when Wukong says the below, he simply means a very great distance (see below). Furthermore, the distance 108,000 li is taken from the Platform sutra, which itself is a spiritual number, referencing the 10 evils and 8 hinderances[5].

“Indeed, I know seventy-two transformations and a life that does not grow old
through ten thousand kalpas. I know also how to cloud somersault, and one leap will take me one hundred and eight thousand miles. Why can’t I sit on the Heavenly throne?”
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~ The Journey to the West, Revised Edition, Volume 1, pg. 205

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As above, Wukong says he won't grow old through 10,000 Kalpas, this once again is another measurement which isn't literal. 万, lit, 10,000, means "Myriad" or to have a "Great number" of things[6][7][8][9]. We find this most exemplified in the Daoist idea of the Ten-Thousand Things, also known as the Myriad things, which simply means all things:

In the outer and miscellaneous chapters, discussions on the “myriad things” involved in more comprehensive inquiries into the origin and the conditions of the existence of all things in the universe. Instances include “the commencing of the production of myriad things 萬物之所生”
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~ The Authenticity of Myriad Things in the Zhuangzi by Chiayu Hsu

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The next example is one from Buddhism, where they discuss the number of Dragon Worlds, which is described as:

The Dragon Palace, and worlds vast as Ganges’ sands.
Every day the flowers bloom;
Every hour the fruits ripen.
They work silence to reach perfection.
They meditate to bear the right fruit.
They do not die nor are they born.
No growth is there, nor any decrease.
Mist and smoke wraithlike may come and go.
No seasons intrude, nor are years recalled.
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~ The Journey to the West, Revised Edition, Volume 1, pg. 213

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In this example, "vast as Ganges' sands" is referring to an infinite quantity, as this is a common Buddhist phrase for an Infinite[10] or Uncountable[11] number/quantity.
 
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I don't think the deletion of the profile is necessary; Wukong is honestly one of the least outdated profiles that violates our current wiki editing rules. The popularity and users using the profile as a source off-site, aren't really valid reasons. The entire reason why content revision threads exist is to update outdated pages and refine the information we present, as well as to remove inaccuracies.
 
@ActuallySpaceMan42 This might interest you, since you were the one who created Wukong's profile.... You might also be interested in refuting the OP's accusations of liar against you, although due to the poor wording I don't know if the accusations are against you or the feats themselves.
 
Why is this thread still being entertained? The profile is not 100% accurate? No profile objectively is. Yes, there are issues, and they are currently being fixed.
This thread should be closed. I understand the concern for misinformation on the profiles but that's what the content revision section of the wiki is for. It'll be changed in due time.
 
Why is this thread still being entertained? The profile is not 100% accurate? No profile objectively is. Yes, there are issues, and they are currently being fixed.
This thread should be closed. I understand the concern for misinformation on the profiles but that's what the content revision section of the wiki is for. It'll be changed in due time.
Yeah but unlike most profiles in the wiki, they are all treated as fictional. Wukong and even the Journey to the West titles are something that Chinese people believe is a religious figure. at the same time, some don't as stated by the OP where in. It has contradictions relative to the multiple religious texts the story incorporates.

TLDR : This is a controversial character to index
 
Aye, this thread should be closed. As the "problem" is already being addressed and worked on. Along with the removal of the page, being completely unnecessary. As it will eventually be fixed and brought back.
 
Well, since the majority says the thread should be closed and the reasons were already given then that's what I will do, Spaceman as thread mod can comment something if so he wishes or create another thread to discuss the remnants.
 
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