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Swords specifically, no other than Stain, but that was a far inferior key, like a year ago.so basically a 2x difference, has Deku fought any notable sword wielders in the series as of yet?
oh yeah duh, however Erza is far more skilled than Stain is so Deku will have some trouble trying to get in close for any real cqc, were as Erza fights plenty of skilled cqc users on the daily and has cqc even better then them back in x791. Danger sense certainly is helpful however it doesn't guarantee a miss + Erza has fought people such as Cobra and Natsu who both can know Erza's movements before she makes them either through mind reading or Analytical Prediction and defeated them both before. Even if that isn't enough she also has Instinctive Reaction that will allow her to defend even better against Deku's attacks.Yeah. Stain specifically
And like I said before Erza has fought and beaten opponents who can do similar things to this via skill alone.I’d have to disagree. Deku’s Danger Sense, combined with his Analytical Prediction, makes it ridiculously hard for Erza to get hits on him. He’ll know when any of her attacks are coming at him, regardless of angle, before they actually hit, and has multiple options to avoid them.
Erza is no slouch in deductive reasoning either, given she could deduce multiple weaknesses in her enemies with just a few sword swings which she can exploit to her advantage. The danger sense stuff I mentioned before.Also, the main point of his intelligence, is that he can predict Erza’s moves through sheer calculation. He doesn’t underestimate opponents, he will find out what she’s going to do for each armor and counter her accordingly. He gets smarter the more he fights, so the longer he fights Erza the more he’ll know about how to counter her skill and armors. Her suddenly switching won’t mean much when his Danger Sense alerts him of her attacks before she does them.
None of that is new to Erza, she's a masterful swordswoman capable of weaving between and carving through 100s of magic needles at once and even blocking her own danmaku reflected back at her with ease. Erza is capable of perfectly simultaneously launching 200 swords and hitting human sized targets kilometers away back in early x784, and Erza has only gotten more skilled since thenIn terms of skill, while I won’t say Deku is a god tier at cqc, his intelligence will absolutely have him keep up with Erza’s talent. When you have someone with ridiculous analysis feats like Deku, quite literally, calculating the trajectory of attacks faster than he is to cross reference positions kilometers away from moving targets, from the most skilled long range fighter in his country, I find it difficult to believe he is going to be stumped by simply fighting an incredibly skilled weapon user.
Class T would definitely make it so she can't move however I've already mentioned that Deku can't auto miss every sword attack due to Erza's skill with danger sense or his analytical prediction.Better LS means she’s pretty screwed outside of maneuvering her swords, as you say. But it doesn’t stop the fact that he can make her body not move and rag doll her for the rest of the fight when he grabs her. He can still dodge her swords while beating her up when she’s grabbed, and that favors him far more than it does her. All he has to do is repeat the Shigaraki situation while dodging the swords. The fact that Blackwhip can come out of any part of his body is also difficult to deal with, since she can’t even attack from his sides without getting grabbed.
Deku's shockwave's aren't an issue given Erza's could just switch to her flame empress armor which has fire potent enough to contend with Early Natsu who could just negate air manip via his heat alone and has cut through air attacks on a number of occasions with ease.Deku has dealt with Danmaku several times, from both his Provisional License exam and vs Nine. He is agile enough to dodge her danmaku, and can just punch away any attacks sent his way with his shockwaves, which have incredibly high AoE. So even Danmaku doesn’t save her since he can counter it.
Flight amour boost her mobility greatly which she can change into with a though, even her base skill level has able to contend with people who can blitz her flight armor such as Kagura, without using it.I would definitely not say Fa Jin is simply countered because Flight Armor makes her faster. He can avoid people faster than him via Danger Sense and his prediction without Fa Jin, so him being able to randomly stat amp and punch her when she’s in an armor with less mobility is not doing her any favors. Also, what’s stopping him from grabbing her out of the Flight Armor when he senses her? Now she has to swap armors while he still has full access to his powers, including a strength amp.
agreedSmokescreen is always useless
While I can understand this reasoning, I simply cannot agree. Erza is an exceptionally skilled fighter and I've already went over why Deku's precog while useful, isn't anything new to Erza, in fact she might even be able to negate his precog all together once she uses instinctive reaction as she wouldn't have ill feelings toward deku given she's acting out of pure instinct and not thinking what's so ever. Figuring out her armors would take far to long considering she isn't limited to those sets as she can interchange her weapons and armor from different sets meaning she has thousands of unique combinations that she could employ and she's mastered all of them. I find it hard to believe that Deku could deal with this much versatility when he was having trouble figuring out some quirks by themselves before. Esspecially considering she could change to fighting with swords in both her hands and toes at the same time or any combination of these.Just beating people that can fly doesn’t mean she can beat Deku because he can fly. He has several abilities that directly counter her own and has more solid win conditions IMO, float is just an added measure of mobility for dodging. All of her armors have singular functions and would be simple for him to figure out. She has no counter to the higher LS other than attacking telekinetically it seems, which he can also counter and dodge. He’s specifically trained to predict and avoid characters faster than him, and has displayed that ability several times even before he got literal precognition. Many of her options are limited to simply outskilling him or hoping he makes a mistake, which is a tall order considering he’s done nothing but master his abilities.
The way I see it, Deku can just figure out her armors while avoiding or blocking her attacks, then KO her after a long fight. The more he sees her fight, the easier it becomes to predict her movements and next attacks, and that’s without Danger Sense. With Danger Sense, he can absolutely get hits in on her while avoiding her own attacks first time. I don’t see how Erza can pressure him enough to beat him, especially given the stat advantage. Versatility only matters when the versatility you have isn’t countered by what your opponent has.
First fight is irrelevant here as that was 784 Erza not 791 Erza, and the second wasn't negated via the hammer, she just got much more skilled even when she was at an AP and Speed Disadvantage against Cobra.Erza has fought people with Precog before such as Cobra and to a much lesser degree Natsu (who's Prediction is pretty shit.) but I digress, Deku FRA.
Petty sure Erza got her shit rocked in by Cobra the first fight and later she can negate it via Holy Hammer or whatever it was. Point being she didn't counter Cobra via skill and Natsu's prediction is bare bones at best.
Scans? I fondly remember otherwise.First fight is irrelevant here as that was 784 Erza not 791 Erza, and the second wasn't negated via the hammer, she just got much more skilled even when she was at an AP and Speed Disadvantage against Cobra.
Cobra read Erza's mind with the Hammer outScans? I fondly remember otherwise.
No I'm asking for the full context, not a little snip.
what do you mean the full context? you asked if Cobra could read Erza's mind when she had the hammer and I showed a scan, if you need more than that, here:No I'm asking for the full context, not a little snip.
Yes, but what exactly is the context of these victories? Just because they have the same abilities doesn’t immediately mean she can beat Deku. How he employs his abilities, combined with his other abilities, matters here. If he knows her attacks are coming, and can accurately predict their trajectory through calculation and pure intelligence as well as instinct via Danger Sense, what can she do that guarantees she can land hits? Especially when he’s getting better the longer she fights him?And like I said before Erza has fought and beaten opponents who can do similar things to this via skill alone.
Erza is no slouch in deductive reasoning either, given she could deduce multiple weaknesses in her enemies with just a few sword swings which she can exploit to her advantage. The danger sense stuff I mentioned before.
None of that is new to Erza, she's a masterful swordswoman capable of weaving between and carving through 100s of magic needles at once and even blocking her own danmaku reflected back at her with ease. Erza is capable of perfectly simultaneously launching 200 swords and hitting human sized targets kilometers away back in early x784, and Erza has only gotten more skilled since then
Class T would definitely make it so she can't move however I've already mentioned that Deku can't auto miss every sword attack due to Erza's skill with danger sense or his analytical prediction.
Deku's shockwave's aren't an issue given Erza's could just switch to her flame empress armor which has fire potent enough to contend with Early Natsu who could just negate air manip via his heat alone and has cut through air attacks on a number of occasions with ease.
Flight amour boost her mobility greatly which she can change into with a though, even her base skill level has able to contend with people who can blitz her flight armor such as Kagura, without using it.
agreed
While I can understand this reasoning, I simply cannot agree. Erza is an exceptionally skilled fighter and I've already went over why Deku's precog while useful, isn't anything new to Erza, in fact she might even be able to negate his precog all together once she uses instinctive reaction as she wouldn't have ill feelings toward deku given she's acting out of pure instinct and not thinking what's so ever. Figuring out her armors would take far to long considering she isn't limited to those sets as she can interchange her weapons and armor from different sets meaning she has thousands of unique combinations that she could employ and she's mastered all of them. I find it hard to believe that Deku could deal with this much versatility when he was having trouble figuring out some quirks by themselves before. Esspecially considering she could change to fighting with swords in both her hands and toes at the same time or any combination of these.
Like a link to the entire fight would be preferred, from what I recall Erza was still getting read and dodged by Cobra's mind reading. Also I fondly remember Cobra being very distracted by hearing the Cubellios's voice and Erza took advantage in that moment and yeeted him.what do you mean the full context? you asked if Cobra could read Erza's mind when she had the hammer and I showed a scan, if you need more than that, here:
Erza asks Cobra to read her mind, Cobra reads her mind, and says what Erza was thinking out loud
Erza Telegraphed her hit on cobra, as he turned around and saw her coming before clashing with her and losing, he even had is mindreading up at the time, the images have a timestamp and episode number on them, I don't know what else I can give you.Like a link to the entire fight would be preferred, from what I recall Erza was still getting read and dodged by Cobra's mind reading. Also I fondly remember Cobra being very distracted by hearing the Cubellios's voice and Erza took advantage in that moment and yeeted him.
So he decided to clash with her rather than dodge? So he absolutely was capable of dodging her, but didn’t, so he lost? Then how does that apply to Deku who exclusively dodges and counterattacks?Erza Telegraphed her hit on cobra, as he turned around and saw her coming before clashing with her and losing, he even had is mindreading up at the time, the images have a timestamp and episode number on them, I don't know what else I can give you.
If he could have dodged he would have, but Erza closed the distance to much for that to be possible, so opted for a clash and lost depsite his mindreading, It's not that complex.So he decided to clash with her rather than dodge? So he absolutely was capable of dodging her, but didn’t, so he lost? Then how does that apply to Deku who exclusively dodges and counterattacks?
But how does this apply to Deku? He doesn’t read minds, he responds to the intent to harm him/danger to himself. So he will be predicting Erza’s movements with skill/intelligence while reacting with precognition. He isn’t reading her soul, he’s responding to her moves, just supernaturally well. How is that even close to what Cobra does? And he’s 2x Erza in stats, so that same strategy wouldn’t even work.If he could have dodged he would have, but Erza closed the distance to much for that to be possible, so opted for a clash and lost depsite his mindreading, It's not that complex.
Anyways, won't be able to respond for a while due to sleep and work.