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DEATHBATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 5]
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Why is it argued of the Penance Store will work on Lobo or not....unless you got no soul, you are blind you arent getting away from it, the "i dont regret anything" isnt true and its just inconsistency
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Knuckles one shotting Super Sonic is an obvious outlier, unless you seriously believe that base forms scale above their Super forms. Also: Sonic canonically defeated Knuckles in Sonic 3 & Knuckles and stomps him as Super Sonic. So how Knuckles will one shot Super Sonic if he's defeated by base Sonic?Missy0124 said:
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I think this gives a good answer:
How Did Knuckles Beat Super Sonic?
How Did Knuckles Beat Super Sonic?
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I'll take it as you're joking, since it is April Fools
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Looks like they're using the pokedex entire and multiple ones at that.
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Goro had better start digging his grave
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I'm pretty sure Grievous would ******* obliterate Goro.
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Machamp also obliterates goro so what's your point and i was arguing that grievous would be a thematically better match for goro but then again it's more connection than we both have four arms
we also have to remember death battle was the same group that matched glacius and sub-zero because they both use ice powers despite zabuza has more in common with bi-han because they both use water based powers,both are ninjas,both are merciless killers
Machamp also obliterates goro so what's your point and i was arguing that grievous would be a thematically better match for goro but then again it's more connection than we both have four arms
we also have to remember death battle was the same group that matched glacius and sub-zero because they both use ice powers despite zabuza has more in common with bi-han because they both use water based powers,both are ninjas,both are merciless killers
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True, but still, I was just saying.
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@Gilad, didn't you even watch the video?
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-What is dimensional tiering? I've never heard of it on this site and it sounds flimsy at best.
-Just because they're stated to be universal doesn't mean they are. WoG is often inconsistent with canon. Marx and Magalor are both calculated at 4-A, even the one where space fell apart around Magolor when he died. Kirby still wins since Buu's only 4-B
-Cool, Hal's still faster than the Omnitrix AI, so by the time the failsafe went off, it would be too late.
-Boruto didn't exist when they made the Toph vs Gaara fight. They use Shippuden Gaara, who's 7-A and MHS+. Still stronger and faster than High 8-C MHS Toph
-See Gilad's response above, he explains it like I would have
-Three things:
1. Superman lifting The Spectre was from JLA/The Spectre Soul War Volume 1 from 2003. New 52 wouldn't happen until 2011. It's Post-Crisis.
2. Mr. Mxyzptlk doesn't show up in the video at all
3. The "sneezing galaxies" feat was used at the very beginning of the episode to explain why they weren't using Pre-Crisis Superman. To quote the episode transcript:
Wiz: "To ensure no questions are left unanswered, we will be acknowledging every official resource for both combatants, though the original writings hold precedence. No mistranslations allowed. Also, as he was retconned and rebuilt in 1986, we will be examining the modern Superman."
Boomstick: Considering Supe's pre-86 could make up new super powers on the fly and destroy entire solar systems by sneezing, probably a good idea.
-Sure, but the subsequent series are very different from the source material and DB believes most of them are relatively comparable, hence why they composite them all. Yes, 4Kids Shredder is Krang, I mispoke, but since he's way faster and a master assassin, he can defeat Silver Samurai just fine. 80's Shredder dodged lasers at Rel+ speeds, much faster than MHS+ SS
-What is dimensional tiering? I've never heard of it on this site and it sounds flimsy at best.
-Just because they're stated to be universal doesn't mean they are. WoG is often inconsistent with canon. Marx and Magalor are both calculated at 4-A, even the one where space fell apart around Magolor when he died. Kirby still wins since Buu's only 4-B
-Cool, Hal's still faster than the Omnitrix AI, so by the time the failsafe went off, it would be too late.
-Boruto didn't exist when they made the Toph vs Gaara fight. They use Shippuden Gaara, who's 7-A and MHS+. Still stronger and faster than High 8-C MHS Toph
-See Gilad's response above, he explains it like I would have
-Three things:
1. Superman lifting The Spectre was from JLA/The Spectre Soul War Volume 1 from 2003. New 52 wouldn't happen until 2011. It's Post-Crisis.
2. Mr. Mxyzptlk doesn't show up in the video at all
3. The "sneezing galaxies" feat was used at the very beginning of the episode to explain why they weren't using Pre-Crisis Superman. To quote the episode transcript:
Wiz: "To ensure no questions are left unanswered, we will be acknowledging every official resource for both combatants, though the original writings hold precedence. No mistranslations allowed. Also, as he was retconned and rebuilt in 1986, we will be examining the modern Superman."
Boomstick: Considering Supe's pre-86 could make up new super powers on the fly and destroy entire solar systems by sneezing, probably a good idea.
-Sure, but the subsequent series are very different from the source material and DB believes most of them are relatively comparable, hence why they composite them all. Yes, 4Kids Shredder is Krang, I mispoke, but since he's way faster and a master assassin, he can defeat Silver Samurai just fine. 80's Shredder dodged lasers at Rel+ speeds, much faster than MHS+ SS
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How fast is the failsafe speed again?
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I watched now. And I still believe it's a headcanon. There's nothing saying that it was because of precision or whatever when Super Sonic was umharmed by characters as powerful as the Time Eater. The only way I can make sense of it, is that knuckles used the powers of the master emerald to weaken Sonic and smack him out of his Super form. But, that's another headcanon and it would still be an outlier since it's literally a 5-B vs a 4-A even with inexperienced Super SonicHagane no Saiyajin said:
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I'm talking about for VSBW.
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"Aren't they literally the same character though? There's evidence suggesting Hal wasn't affected by the Crisis"
"No they're not. Hal Jordan was affected by the COIE like almost every other character... they literally went through the trouble of making a 2 part origin story mini-series with Emerald Dawn for his Post-Crisis incarnation"
"Didn't know that."
"Because I know someone's going to ask. They don't think the GL were affected by the COIE because Kilowog referenced the events of COIE at the beginning of the Green Lantern Corps series. But that was still in the stages of the aftermath, everyone still had their pre-crisis memories and were living on the same Earth. The actual continuity reset didn't happen until a few months after that in All-Star Squadron #60 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/gg2sOykqH...W2jtZCpNAeTKFak1woCXmXmsmrO6D9LMu7BhxnYpdA=s0 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/LyeZcdk02...2nKYHHAgaC9Wg6EG88Yd8U5pPHodGRSIxEX-oFFaJW=s0 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/mgUigw_J3...3QAZAUa8AmueS3YoNBCi8Tys1xZUiYZcMSKLQ5qoPV=s0 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/PH-3H55v_...I0xXUx-6xMX51gT_O7gImaQx46sypvHIepHqDrmkKR=s0 "
"No they're not. Hal Jordan was affected by the COIE like almost every other character... they literally went through the trouble of making a 2 part origin story mini-series with Emerald Dawn for his Post-Crisis incarnation"
"Didn't know that."
"Because I know someone's going to ask. They don't think the GL were affected by the COIE because Kilowog referenced the events of COIE at the beginning of the Green Lantern Corps series. But that was still in the stages of the aftermath, everyone still had their pre-crisis memories and were living on the same Earth. The actual continuity reset didn't happen until a few months after that in All-Star Squadron #60 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/gg2sOykqH...W2jtZCpNAeTKFak1woCXmXmsmrO6D9LMu7BhxnYpdA=s0 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/LyeZcdk02...2nKYHHAgaC9Wg6EG88Yd8U5pPHodGRSIxEX-oFFaJW=s0 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/mgUigw_J3...3QAZAUa8AmueS3YoNBCi8Tys1xZUiYZcMSKLQ5qoPV=s0 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/PH-3H55v_...I0xXUx-6xMX51gT_O7gImaQx46sypvHIepHqDrmkKR=s0 "
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I found that in the other DB thread... don't know if it changes anything.
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Dc has different planes of existence and each plane of existence contains entities each plane of existence outward from the middle gets stronger eg darkseid exists in the sphere of the gods so he's vastly more powerful than anyone in lower dimensional planes of existence.
but in most normal cases it means 1 st dimensional characters will always be lower 2 dimensional characters so on and so fourth btw in dc's case mr.myststlic is fifth dimensional imp which alone puts him above almost everyone.
how big was gaara's meteor feat calculated to be at and btw they use super saiyan 4 which is a anime only so much for sticking to the source material nonetheless they also used the book if infinite pages.
btw 4kids shredder does exist he's just reborn as a demon btw the krang version we see earlier simply stole the name and identify of the real shredder which is oroku saki or as he's called on the wiki tengu shredder.
btw why composite oroku saki but not the sliver samurai seems rather unfair to give one privileges but not the other death battle believes all series are relatively comparable did they ever watch dragon ball because there's literally no way the different continuities are comparable in both story and scaling.
Magolor destroying space was miscalculated then because there's no way such a feat could be of that level plus btw looking at his feats a universal tiering would be consistent
Dc has different planes of existence and each plane of existence contains entities each plane of existence outward from the middle gets stronger eg darkseid exists in the sphere of the gods so he's vastly more powerful than anyone in lower dimensional planes of existence.
but in most normal cases it means 1 st dimensional characters will always be lower 2 dimensional characters so on and so fourth btw in dc's case mr.myststlic is fifth dimensional imp which alone puts him above almost everyone.
how big was gaara's meteor feat calculated to be at and btw they use super saiyan 4 which is a anime only so much for sticking to the source material nonetheless they also used the book if infinite pages.
btw 4kids shredder does exist he's just reborn as a demon btw the krang version we see earlier simply stole the name and identify of the real shredder which is oroku saki or as he's called on the wiki tengu shredder.
btw why composite oroku saki but not the sliver samurai seems rather unfair to give one privileges but not the other death battle believes all series are relatively comparable did they ever watch dragon ball because there's literally no way the different continuities are comparable in both story and scaling.
Magolor destroying space was miscalculated then because there's no way such a feat could be of that level plus btw looking at his feats a universal tiering would be consistent
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None of Pre-Crisis Supe's speed feats on his profile are actually calcs, just comic scans. His Sword of Superman one is Omnipresent, so that doesn't count.
Pre-Crisis GL has the probe feat and one other one for him flying. The max flying speed we have recorded for Pre GL is around 14900 c. Way lower than what he's capable of, but we don't have numbers otherwise. We have Post GL flight speed, which is in the ball park of the Omnitrix's speed, but still not fast enough currently. That's still only one wincon though, he still has the hax to pull off a win against X without outspeeding the Omnitrix AI
None of Pre-Crisis Supe's speed feats on his profile are actually calcs, just comic scans. His Sword of Superman one is Omnipresent, so that doesn't count.
Pre-Crisis GL has the probe feat and one other one for him flying. The max flying speed we have recorded for Pre GL is around 14900 c. Way lower than what he's capable of, but we don't have numbers otherwise. We have Post GL flight speed, which is in the ball park of the Omnitrix's speed, but still not fast enough currently. That's still only one wincon though, he still has the hax to pull off a win against X without outspeeding the Omnitrix AI
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You don't have to. I don't have a problem with this Hal winning, it's the research that bugs me.
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Most definitely.
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Its top tier for having a fire ost.
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>speeds were wankedSorvoe551 said:
i mean, not really? Light speed for both is accurate
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1. Oh, that's what you were talking about. However, if you're implying that Lobo is a higher-dimensional being like Dr. Manhattan, Godhead Darksied, or Mr. Mxyzptlk, that is false. At his best, he has killed possibly universal entities like Santa and the Easter Bunny. Mr. Mxyzptlk being 5th Dimensional means he's two degrees of infinity above what we perceive as infinite power; Lobo is nowhere near that strong.
2. Madara's Tengai Shinsei was calculated at 728.9 Megatons, Mountain+. Still way above High 8-C Toph. If you disagree with that, make a CRT. Otherwise, that's the level he's at.
3. At the time of the fight, Dragon Ball Super didn't exist, so GT was considered canon. Now that we know better, it's considered anime canon only, but the point remains that they used SSJ4, which means Goku was 3-B against a 4-B Supes.
4. The "book of infinite pages" came from Final Crisis Superman Beyond 1 & 2, released in 2008. Again, New 52 didn't happen until 2011, it's Post-Crisis and counts. Even though "infinite pages" is impossible (they say this "contains every book possible," which means it is finite, just ridiculously big, but whatever), that's just lifting strength. His durability still isn't enough for a 3-B Goku.
5. I've explained this already, but agian, DB believes that most versions of TMNT are comparable to each other, so they composited the appearances of Oroku Sai as Shredder, aka 1987 and 2012. Since 2012 is 9-A and 1987 is Rel+ speeds, he's capable of beating 9-A MHS+ Silver Samurai.
6. Make a CRT then if you disagree with Magalor being only 4-A. Until then, Kirby's only 4-A. Still more than enough to beat Majin Buu.
1. Oh, that's what you were talking about. However, if you're implying that Lobo is a higher-dimensional being like Dr. Manhattan, Godhead Darksied, or Mr. Mxyzptlk, that is false. At his best, he has killed possibly universal entities like Santa and the Easter Bunny. Mr. Mxyzptlk being 5th Dimensional means he's two degrees of infinity above what we perceive as infinite power; Lobo is nowhere near that strong.
2. Madara's Tengai Shinsei was calculated at 728.9 Megatons, Mountain+. Still way above High 8-C Toph. If you disagree with that, make a CRT. Otherwise, that's the level he's at.
3. At the time of the fight, Dragon Ball Super didn't exist, so GT was considered canon. Now that we know better, it's considered anime canon only, but the point remains that they used SSJ4, which means Goku was 3-B against a 4-B Supes.
4. The "book of infinite pages" came from Final Crisis Superman Beyond 1 & 2, released in 2008. Again, New 52 didn't happen until 2011, it's Post-Crisis and counts. Even though "infinite pages" is impossible (they say this "contains every book possible," which means it is finite, just ridiculously big, but whatever), that's just lifting strength. His durability still isn't enough for a 3-B Goku.
5. I've explained this already, but agian, DB believes that most versions of TMNT are comparable to each other, so they composited the appearances of Oroku Sai as Shredder, aka 1987 and 2012. Since 2012 is 9-A and 1987 is Rel+ speeds, he's capable of beating 9-A MHS+ Silver Samurai.
6. Make a CRT then if you disagree with Magalor being only 4-A. Until then, Kirby's only 4-A. Still more than enough to beat Majin Buu.
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Never said lobo scaled higher than mr.mxyzptlk however i did imply he scaled higher than true form darkside via killing santa who exists on a higher dimensional plane than the sphere of gods btw mr.mxyzptlk is 5d so he's nowhere near the power of any of these characters.
madara's meteor feat was calculated at mountain level despite being way bigger than a mountain and if it was mountain level than kyubi coat naruto should of not been afraid of the impact saying as kurama is shown to be mountain level nonetheless things are the way they are so mountain it is i guess.
gt was considered canon because it was the latest series and super is considered canon for that same reason but that's not here nor there because my stance on this matter has been explored far too many times.
gt was always non canon it's just that the internet mostly hears what unapologetic fanboys have to say which makes it seem as though everyone liked gt which could not be further from the truth.
now that we know better super fans are the same people that said gt was canon when it aired you know why that is because people liked it because it was new and look at any review for super it always in some way mentions how it's been so long since dbz or something along those lines btw super fans are the same people that review fanfics and find them to be good eg unrealent and masako.
not saying the result is wrong just saying their methods behind deciding that outcome are both unfounded and biased towards one side which is shredder because they gave him composites but not the latter and 2012 shredder legitimately met 90s shredder in that one crossover episode so literally it's impossible for them to be the same character yet they composite them anyway for some reason.
I Disagree with mostly everything here and you know what changing things on the site does not work because of the way the site's ran not going to get into it here because it would be massively off topic but nonetheless magalor will stay 4-a until the mods decide otherwise.
Never said lobo scaled higher than mr.mxyzptlk however i did imply he scaled higher than true form darkside via killing santa who exists on a higher dimensional plane than the sphere of gods btw mr.mxyzptlk is 5d so he's nowhere near the power of any of these characters.
madara's meteor feat was calculated at mountain level despite being way bigger than a mountain and if it was mountain level than kyubi coat naruto should of not been afraid of the impact saying as kurama is shown to be mountain level nonetheless things are the way they are so mountain it is i guess.
gt was considered canon because it was the latest series and super is considered canon for that same reason but that's not here nor there because my stance on this matter has been explored far too many times.
gt was always non canon it's just that the internet mostly hears what unapologetic fanboys have to say which makes it seem as though everyone liked gt which could not be further from the truth.
now that we know better super fans are the same people that said gt was canon when it aired you know why that is because people liked it because it was new and look at any review for super it always in some way mentions how it's been so long since dbz or something along those lines btw super fans are the same people that review fanfics and find them to be good eg unrealent and masako.
not saying the result is wrong just saying their methods behind deciding that outcome are both unfounded and biased towards one side which is shredder because they gave him composites but not the latter and 2012 shredder legitimately met 90s shredder in that one crossover episode so literally it's impossible for them to be the same character yet they composite them anyway for some reason.
I Disagree with mostly everything here and you know what changing things on the site does not work because of the way the site's ran not going to get into it here because it would be massively off topic but nonetheless magalor will stay 4-a until the mods decide otherwise.
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1. DC Santa is not a higher dimensional being, he's just an immortal who is universal at best. He doesn't fight Godhead Darkseid, he just dodges Apokolips' defenses to give Darkseid coal. It's not like he's Marvel Santa, who is the most powerful mutant to ever exist. Even if he was, Lobo just killed an earlthly avatar since he still exists in the comics. It's like when you kill Darkseid, you just killed an avatar, not his true form. Also, Mr. Mxyzptlk is far above Godhead Darkseid since he's 5th dimension and Darkseid is 4th dimension. The only person above Mr. Mxyzptlk is Dr. Manhattan.
2. Check out the calc, you'll see that it's as big as a large mountain shape like an egg.
3. Not even close to the point. They used SSJ4, therefore they used GT. When the fight came out in 2013, that was the best form of Goku they had. They switched it up for GvS 2 since Super was out.
4. Okay then, let's review Death Battle Rule #5:
"Characters with multiple incarnations (such as Link, Spider-Ma, Deadpool, Godzilla or Leonardo), will be composites combining the best aspects of their various incarnations, unless said incarnation is drastically different from other incarnations"
Since 1987 and 2012 are comparable in several aspects, they composited the two. Since 4Kids is way stronger, he wasn't considered. There are basically no other versions of Silver Samurai that are worth talking about (one's a completely different person, one's a symbiote from a different universe)
5. Cool, but with this thread, we're using our data and DB's rules to determine the accuracy of the battle. If you have the evidence and logic to change the ratings of characters here, do it. Bleach being buffed and Naruto being nerfed changed that fight's rating. Until then, we work with what we have.
2. Check out the calc, you'll see that it's as big as a large mountain shape like an egg.
3. Not even close to the point. They used SSJ4, therefore they used GT. When the fight came out in 2013, that was the best form of Goku they had. They switched it up for GvS 2 since Super was out.
4. Okay then, let's review Death Battle Rule #5:
"Characters with multiple incarnations (such as Link, Spider-Ma, Deadpool, Godzilla or Leonardo), will be composites combining the best aspects of their various incarnations, unless said incarnation is drastically different from other incarnations"
Since 1987 and 2012 are comparable in several aspects, they composited the two. Since 4Kids is way stronger, he wasn't considered. There are basically no other versions of Silver Samurai that are worth talking about (one's a completely different person, one's a symbiote from a different universe)
5. Cool, but with this thread, we're using our data and DB's rules to determine the accuracy of the battle. If you have the evidence and logic to change the ratings of characters here, do it. Bleach being buffed and Naruto being nerfed changed that fight's rating. Until then, we work with what we have.
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It was less the power difference, and more 4kids shredder is a completely different character from the rest, being an alien in a robot suit.
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| Spoiler |
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| Machamp won |
| Cable vs Booster Gold is next |
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Booster Gold's Profile seems kinda...
Disappointing.
Disappointing.
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Yeah I agree with that, he's in dire need of a CRT
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Rule Violation Reports time
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well guess Cable sweeps Booster Gold profiles our no good AP now.XSOULOFCINDERX said:
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