DEATHBATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 4]

[Sorvoe551]

Okay, so since Sora's and Pit's profiles have settled down for the most part, I think the fight could possibly be moved from Iffy through analysis. With the date the fight was released, we have up to Dream Drop Sora and Uprising Pit.

So Pit either hits way softer or WAY harder than Sora, depending on whether you except the likely as his max or not. For the sake of argument, I'll say he's 4-A. The main questions I have are these:

1. Is Sora faster than Pit? (I can't find a specific speed for Pit in his profile or with anyone that he compares to)

2. Will Sora's magical hax be enough to put down Pit since physical strength won't be enough?

 

[TitanCrusher101]

1. Not sure about that either, however:

2. If Pit is faster or even about just as fast, he easily takes it due to him hitting WAY harder as you stated.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Ghost Rider vs Lobo?

I disagree with it personally. It depends on whether you

a) buy into universal heralds

and

b) think Zarathos is universal

Lobo should be at the very least quicker than Zarathos thank to keeping up with Lanterns, and if he has comparable AP then hellfire and penance stare are unlikely to work, while Lobo could easily run off and get a holy weapon or use the spirit-holding gun to contain Zarathos. Eating his soul could work, but again, if they're comparable in AP then Lobo could probably just punch Zarathos if he tries to vore him. The problem with Zarathos is that most of his power comes from hype from people like Strange. Whenever he's actually fought a universal being, such as Mephisto, he's been amped.

 

[PuasLuisZX]

1) Pit is actually faster, this is due his combat and reaction speed scales to his flying speed due he was able to react and be able follow the Lightning Chariot into the Chariot Master Tower. For reference the Lightning Chariot flew across the galactic particles in seconds and since Pit was able to react and follow up without losing any track of them, is safe to assume is not too low in terms of speed. And before that characters such as Pyrrhon pushed the Aurum to the other side of the galaxy with his flames.

2) Sora maybe has ways to put down Pit with magical hax, but he is just too slow in this particular fight unless Pit is in the land, in that case Sora would need to use right in the start of the fight. In any other scenario, he gets countered by Pit's reaction speed.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

So Wrong, Decent?

 

[PuasLuisZX]

Iffy due Pit is either too weak to damage Sora or strong enough for one-shot Sora, and since Death Battle excluded the GST. Is this the only wiki that have Pit as 4-A?

 

[Robot972]

Curious: Who do you guys think should win when Wiz vs Boomstick finally happens?

This will depend heavily on what they're allowed (Will they have equipment from other characters or purely original stuff? Will Wiz have prep to prepare his best experiments or will they only have their standard equipment?)

They're a bit outdated and a bit glorified, but I made profiles for them on the FC/OC wiki. I plan to update/fix them soon to try once again to see if I get them brought over here .-. (Which'll require fixing the sections for borrowed equipment)

 

[Migue79]

Iffy due Pit is either too weak to damage Sora or strong enough for one-shot Sora, and since Death Battle excluded the GST. Is this the only wiki that have Pit as 4-A?

Yes.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Iffy due Pit is either too weak to damage Sora or strong enough for one-shot Sora, and since Death Battle excluded the GST. Is this the only wiki that have Pit as 4-A?

And they restricted Sora's drive modes, which would be a heavy factor in deciding the winner.

 

[Ryukama]

Regardless of who'd actually win, I think Kenshiro vs Jotaro deserves to be at the bottom cause their own numbers put Jotaro at thousands of times stronger and faster yet they gave it to Kenshiro.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I really wonder why.......

 

[The_Calaca]

Nigh SoL with autoreflexes vs 100 hits per second.

Seems legit.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Regardless of who'd actually win, I think Kenshiro vs Jotaro deserves to be at the bottom cause their own numbers put Jotaro at thousands of times stronger and faster yet they gave it to Kenshiro.

That's not how it works, it'll be Right, Decent due to the victor being accurate but the research being bad.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Sora Vs. Pit is an exceptionally weird case.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Regardless of who'd actually win, I think Kenshiro vs Jotaro deserves to be at the bottom cause their own numbers put Jotaro at thousands of times stronger and faster yet they gave it to Kenshiro.

That's not how it works, it'll be Right, Decent due to the victor being accurate but the research being bad.

b-but muh country level time stop barrage

 

[TitanCrusher101]

That's not how it works, it'll be Right, Decent due to the victor being accurate but the research being bad.
b-but muh country level time stop barrage

No, none of that.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I disagree with it personally. It depends on whether you

a) buy into universal heralds

and

b) think Zarathos is universal

Lobo should be at the very least quicker than Zarathos thank to keeping up with Lanterns, and if he has comparable AP then hellfire and penance stare are unlikely to work, while Lobo could easily run off and get a holy weapon or use the spirit-holding gun to contain Zarathos. Eating his soul could work, but again, if they're comparable in AP then Lobo could probably just punch Zarathos if he tries to vore him. The problem with Zarathos is that most of his power comes from hype from people like Strange. Whenever he's actually fought a universal being, such as Mephisto, he's been amped.

@Sorv

 

[The_Calaca]

b-but muh country level time stop barrage

I remember when someone yelled at me for rejecting his debunk when he tried to make that come back.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

@Hagane no Saiyajin He's not on this 24/7, 90% of the list is from his work.

 

[Sorvoe551]

I've been summoned

 

[PuasLuisZX]

Iffy due Pit is either too weak to damage Sora or strong enough for one-shot Sora, and since Death Battle excluded the GST. Is this the only wiki that have Pit as 4-A?

And they restricted Sora's drive modes, which would be a heavy factor in deciding the winner.

Yeah, that too, but honestly. Sora vs Pit is a very weird case.

 

[Sorvoe551]

Addressing Kingo's points, let's break it down piece by piece:

"Lobo should be at the very least quicker than Zarathos thank to keeping up with Lanterns"

Let's see, Zarathos GR is considered about 48.9 Quadrillion c due to keeping up with Thor and beating him and several other Avengers members with relative ease. Lobo is considered at minimum 87.6 Quadrillion c since he's comparable to Superman and he's faster than Green Lanterns. So yes, Lobo is faster. Is the gap negligible when it comes to punching and blocking? Maybe, I'm not sure.

"...if he has comparable AP then hellfire and penance stare are unlikely to work."

Hellfire is considered not to work since Lobo's been to Hell and loved it. However, the Penance Stare works a bit differently. It doesn't seem to really be based on physical power, but delivers pain based on the sins committed by the victim. Yes, there has been cases where it hasn't worked, the one most relevant being Thanos since he loves pain and suffering. However, Lobo doesn't seem to enjoy being tortured so much that he would be able to shake it off. Considering it killed a physically invulnerable man (here ) and once killed an angel for telling one white lie, it should be able to kill Lobo.

"... Lobo could easily run off and get a holy weapon or use the spirit-holding gun to contain Zarathos"

According to Lobo's page, a spirit-holding gun isn't in his usual arsenal and Lobo would have to figure out that holy weaponry is his weakness. He probably can, but as they showed that GR outran Mjolnir on his bike and the fastest we've seen Lobo's bike go is enough to outrun a black hole, GR should be able to keep up if Lobo tries to bike away.

"Eating his soul could work, but again, if they're comparable in AP then Lobo could probably just punch Zarathos if he tries to vore him."

I don't think Zarathos has to physically touch him to consume Lobo's soul. In the comic panel they showed in the episode, yes, Zarathos is holding the guy still, but the soul is being sucked out from his body, Zarathos isn't actually eating his flesh to get it.

"The problem with Zarathos is that most of his power comes from hype from people like Strange. Whenever he's actually fought a universal being, such as Mephisto, he's been amped."

True, the first time Zarathos fought Mephisto, he was amped by his followers. However, a Ghost Rider host has beaten Mephisto by themselves before and Zarathos has fought Galactus, who is a universal character when decently fed, and their fight shook the universe as an afterthought. If either of those instances involved amping, let me know.

So there, that's my thoughts on the matter currently.

 

[Sorvoe551]

They restricted Sora's drive forms because canonically he needs Donald and Goofy to pull them off at that point. Yes, with the Kingdom Key and Starlight in 3, Sora can activate some basic Drive forms as a limit thing, but at the time of the fight, it was just up to Dream Drop Sora

 

[Sorvoe551]

Also, thanks Titan, I try my best

 

[TitanCrusher101]

All love here <3

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

I typed up an elaborate response but I accidentally reloaded my page. Whoops.


Quick responses then, Lobo has kept up and outpaced Hal Jordan in a fight before, who by Db's own standards has a lowballed 1.5 quintillion c calc. He's also reacted to his constructs which move even faster, once exploring the entire universe in a heartbeat. This is consistent, as Lobo has also moved so fast Superman was unable to react to him. This applies to travel speed too, the Spazfrag has kept up with Lanterns in flight, which heavily outpaces the hellcycle. So running off is a valid option. Even if you do try to say combat speed is a thing here, the difference between how quick Lobo can dodge and how quick he can punch should be negligible honestly.

The penance stare is so inconsistent it's basically impossible to figure out how exactly it works, but one thing that does seem to be sorta consistent is that the stare isn't too effective on extraordinarily powerful beings. For example, when Blaze stared down Strange, it merely knocked him out for a bit. Given that Lobo is not only on that same tier of power, but can also regenerate his soul, I find it unlikely it would even knock him out. The stare has also has plenty of showings of it not working if you don't feel regret, like when it was used on Deacon. ALSO, the stare is stated to work by hitting your soul with hellfire. Lobo has tanked hellfire before, from beings on that level of power. In all honesty the stare is nothing new to him. At worst, it will seriously **** him up for a minute, but nothing he can't regenerate from.

Lobo would absolutely know what Rider's weakness is. One of his powers is literally being able to instantly figure out what people are weak to lol. By DB standards again, the spirit-holding gun should be apart of his arsenal, he used it on Deadman. Given that Lobo has better travel speed, if the gun doesn't work, then he can just run off and get a holy weapon. Rider can create portals, yes, but Lobo is just consistently faster than him in a chase.

The comic panel they showed was kinda weird, it's not a soul-eating feat. It outright says he's eating the traget's sins. He has other panels showing him absorbing souls, not sure why they went with that. Anyways, my point there is that if Zarathos does try to consume Lobo's soul, ghost Lobo is more than capable of fighting back. He's been shown to have all his physical power as a ghost, so once he gets close to Zarry's mouth there, he can just deck him and prevent his soul from being eaten. Lobo has also straight up had his soul stolen from him too, and the body was fine and functioned, so you could argue even that might not work.

Finally, on Zarathos. That instance with Alejandra and Mephisto is very complicated, but tldr, she was amped. Adam has gifted her his power before-hand, and the context makes it clear that this isn't him unlocking her power, it's an outright amp. She straight up has to ask him to "give her more strength" after the initial boost wares off. Mephisto was also mainly holding the adavatnge in that fight until the big plot punch too. I haven't heard of Zarathos fighting Galactus before, do you have source for that?

So yeah that's my argument, if you want a source on anything I can get it to ya by tomorrow, kinda tired rn lol.

 

[Ryukama]

That's not how it works, it'll be Right, Decent due to the victor being accurate but the research being bad.

I get that, but even if the victor was accurate they literally failed at elementary school level math to get to that conclusion. It deserves no props. An outcome I'd personally deem as inaccurate is far better if the arguments aren't as monumentally stupid as "1000 tons > 3,000,000 tons."

 

[TartaChocholate]

I still think Pit vs Pegasus Seiya was the perfect matchup. Too bad Seiya is pretty obscure outside Japan, Latin America and Europe to a lesser extent.

 

[PuasLuisZX]

I still think Pit vs Pegasus Seiya was the perfect matchup. Too bad Seiya is pretty obscure outside Japan, Latin America and Europe to a lesser extent.

Well, the connections of the fight is perfect, but is just a really bad stomp which is a shame because otherwise it would be a very popular match-up.

In 18 more years, Kid Icarus will finally have multiversal characters.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Pit stomps Seiya, he's confirmed to be the strongest Nintendo character so he scales to Paper Mario and Dreamy Bowser.

 

[Sorvoe551]

Seiya stomps Pit because his power of anime bullshit

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

I personally agree with GR VS Lobo. Lobo's physical advantage doesn't do much against that Type 8 Immortality. This allows Ghost Rider to eventually tap into Zarathos's power, or unleash any of his soul-based attacks. Both Lobo and Zarathos can be pegged as Universal (even Low Multiversal), but Zarathos's justifications seem a lot more reliable (my opinion).

Although I can definitely see as to why people disagree.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

That's not how it works, it'll be Right, Decent due to the victor being accurate but the research being bad.

I get that, but even if the victor was accurate they literally failed at elementary school level math to get to that conclusion. It deserves no props. An outcome I'd personally deem as inaccurate is far better if the arguments aren't as monumentally stupid as "1000 tons > 3,000,000 tons."

It'll be at the VERY bottom of right, decent. I understand it's very stupid, but right/wrong is just the victor being correct or not, Good, Decent, Iffy, Decent, Bad are how the research was done/presented.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

I personally agree with GR VS Lobo. Lobo's physical advantage doesn't do much against that Type 8 Immortality. This allows Ghost Rider to eventually tap into Zarathos's power, or unleash any of his soul-based attacks. Both Lobo and Zarathos can be pegged as Universal (even Low Multiversal), but Zarathos's justifications seem a lot more reliable (my opinion).
Although I can definitely see as to why people disagree.

I mainly disagree because putting Zarathos at 2-C is bullshit, but yeah, I get why some people agree as well.

 

[Sorvoe551]

Okay, so looking back on the GR thing, I realized that I misinterpreted something DB said. Zarathos didn't fight Galactus by himself, but Mephisto did in Silver Surfer: Judgement Day (link here for the story context and most of the panels).

In that fight, a decently fed Galactus (several planets at least) fought Mephisto in his own realm (so 2-C) to get SS back and they stalemated. Galactus threatened to eat the dimension entirely and Mephisto surrendered to keep it. Because of this, DB's (Zarathos=Mephisto=Galactus, shaking the universe) scaling was established and a crossed wire in my brain made me think Zarathos fought Galactus.

So it seems that in the cases where GR was scaled to universal was because of times boosting was involved. So yeah, Zarathos really isn't 2-C. Then again, according to our site, Lobo is 4-B at his peak. Don't know where his universal stuff came from. I'll take a look at stuff if you'd like to show me

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Lobo universal stuff mainly comes from Superman and Hal scaling. Superman has had a few universal feats over the years and I think everybody knows the GL stuff after the Ben 10 fight. Lobo was capable of blitzing Superman early on and Hal stated that he required all his willpower to simply contain Lobo and was worried Lobo would kill him. Lobo himself has a potentially universal feat in killing Gawd and Dave, two reality warping kids who created and transported Lobo to the Warworld universe.

 

[Sorvoe551]

Lobo seems to have varying power depending on the story, similar to Karate Kid. In addition, he doesn't really have a way to get around Type 8 Immortality. Plus, while Lobo can become a spirit, he doesn't seem to have much in the way of resisting GR's other Soul Manipulation. Penance Stare makes people experience the suffering they have caused others and has defeated people more times then it has failed and Lobo doesn't seem to get a power boost from pain. It should work on him. In addition, Zarathos should be able to eat his soul eventually. I think GR vs Lobo is right, but it should be moved now to Right, Decent because of the bad Zarathos scaling.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

I think it should be iffy since Lobo has a good chance of winning still due to his ability to find out GR's weakness, but whatevs.

 

[Sorvoe551]

Kingo's the biggest advocate for Lobo, so let's see what they think before we move on

 

[TitanCrusher101]

He might be the biggest advocate, but I'm probably the biggest fan :3