DEATH VS DEATH, ID VS SHINZA

[QuasiYuri]

Oh okay. But what about through hax? Let say mind manipulation or soul manipulation?

You would need feat of these affecting Type 5.

Well some verse actually has type 5 for some weird reason umineko for one will be cause featherine transcends the witch world which is a 1A world it means she is causality type 5, but then again this will mean all 1B should have type 5 since they are also unbound by cause and effect of the lower worlds below them.
Seriously that type 5 needs fixing

Yeah that's because causality and timelines and stuff are a Human Domain thing, but that's kind of wrong on some level (side stories, while arguably canon, shows that Beato believed in time reversal in the meta world).
Umineko has way more problems than just this anyway.

 

[PrinceofPein]

So I guess Yogiri Stomp now?

Well let me put it this way, yakou cannot affect yogiri and yogiri cannot truly kill yakoj has he will keep reviving for as long as he wants that what makes you difficult ootake erased him more than 217 times but he keeps reviving by killing his own concept of death.
But yeah yogiri just continues killing him forever how good is yogiri endurance? Cause yakou is pretty persistent, he fell through the singularity for 10,000 years trying to reach the throne iirc

 

[PrinceofPein]

You would need feat of these affecting Type 5.

Alright

Yeah that's because causality and timelines and stuff are a Human Domain thing, but that's kind of wrong on some level (side stories, while arguably canon, shows that Beato believed in time reversal in the meta world).
Umineko has way more problems than just this anyway.

True, tier 0 creator

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

and yogiri cannot truly kill yakoj has he will keep reviving for as long as he wants

Yogiri negates all types of immortality

 

[Lapsad]

Outdated. Conceptual Manipulation got changed between this thread and now.

So , how the changing affected the reasons in the thread ? , concept revisions is just change and remove the type number , not change thier defination.

 

[QuasiYuri]

So , how the changing affected the reasons in the thread ? , concept revisions is just change and remove the type number , not change thier defination.

Their definition got changed too, for type 1's case (aka old type 2 and 1).

 

[QuasiYuri]

Well let me put it this way, yakou cannot affect yogiri and yogiri cannot truly kill yakoj has he will keep reviving for as long as he wants that what makes you difficult ootake erased him more than 217 times but he keeps reviving by killing his own concept of death.
But yeah yogiri just continues killing him forever how good is yogiri endurance? Cause yakou is pretty persistent, he fell through the singularity for 10,000 years trying to reach the throne iirc

Yogiri negated EGD's regeneration though, and Yakou nor Ootake have anything against that.

 

[Lapsad]

Their definition got changed too, for type 1's case (aka old type 2 and 1).

What ? , I don't see how it changed can you pointed me ?

 

[QuasiYuri]

What ? , I don't see how it changed can you pointed me ?

Old type 2/1 was solely about platonic concept and about transcending their reality.

Current type 1 is about being independant and apply to any concepts.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yogiri negates all types of immortality

So you are saying all types of immortality in this wiki have been shown to be negated by yogiri?

Yogiri negated EGD's regeneration though, and Yakou nor Ootake have anything against that.

EGD or UEG? UEG does not have type 4 immortality

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So you are saying all types of immortality in this wiki have been shown to be negated by yogiri?

Yes, conveniently so, as you can see on his profile. Bless fujitaka and his work full of different immortals

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yes, conveniently so, as you can see on his profile. Bless fujitaka and his work full of different immortals

Nice

 

[QuasiYuri]

So you are saying all types of immortality in this wiki have been shown to be negated by yogiri?


EGD or UEG? UEG does not have type 4 immortality

UEG, her regen.

 

[PrinceofPein]

UEG, her regen.

Yup UEG does not have type 4 immo he has type 5 but anyone with a decent EE will bypass type 5 immo.
I think the reason we don't grant Marie all forms of immortality negation is cause shinza does not have all forms of immortality?
, Immortality, and Regeneration Negation (Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 and High Godly
Well type 6 is missing, so I want to ask shouldn't anyone able to withstand Marie touch without dying have resistance to immortality negation?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Well let me put it this way, yakou cannot affect yogiri and yogiri cannot truly kill yakoj has he will keep reviving for as long as he wants that what makes you difficult ootake erased him more than 217 times but he keeps reviving by killing his own concept of death

Yogiri negs Resurrection and Regen and all types of immortality I don't see how does that matter also killing someone over and over again counts as an incap which is a win con for Yogiri therfore still stomp.

 

[Catzlaflame]

Yup UEG does not have type 4 immo he has type 5 but anyone with a decent EE will bypass type 5 immo.
I think the reason we don't grant Marie all forms of immortality negation is cause shinza does not have all forms of immortality?
, Immortality, and Regeneration Negation (Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 and High Godly
Well type 6 is missing, so I want to ask shouldn't anyone able to withstand Marie touch without dying have resistance to immortality negation?

I’m pretty sure that it’s messed up, (not 100% sure though) I edited out type 6 back when she had all types negation a while back in a crt, but left type 5 and 9 cus I thought that merc in Marie route was sensory cus of his appearance in the scene and it not being stated otherwise.

but since that’s apparently not the case, I don’t see a reason for type 5 and type 9 negation?

 

[PrinceofPein]

I’m pretty sure that it’s messed up, (not 100% sure though) I edited out type 6 back when she had all types negation a while back in a crt, but left type 5 and 9 cus I thought that merc in Marie route was sensory cus of his appearance in the scene and it not being stated otherwise.

but since that’s apparently not the case, I don’t see a reason for type 5 and type 9 negation?

Tubal can has type 6.
The type 9 is still valid merc sensory touching her would also kill merc. The type 5 is a bit shaky but I agree with it although it is cool either way. Also yes it is merc sensory

 

[Catzlaflame]

Tubal can has type 6.

Oh yeaa that’s true hm interesting inderee

The type 9 is still valid merc sensory touching her would also kill merc.

Bro that’s what I was saying but infera said that the mercerius in twilight beach at the end of Marie route was true self mercerius

 

[PrinceofPein]

Bro that’s what I was saying but infera said that the mercerius in twilight beach at the end of Marie route was true self mercerius

Missed it, but well let see when it comes up again