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So I was talking about this in another thread but that thread got closed. Should Wonder Woman get two separate keys, Pre-Awakening and Post-Awakening?

WW got rekt by Ares at first, and Ares was holding back, but later stomped an enraged Ares after fully embracing her powers as the Godkiller.

Diana's best feats at the beginning of the movie tops at 9-A and Class 25, with Supersonic+ speed I calculated, maybe higher via scaling.

Pre-Awakening Wonder Woman < Ares < Post-Awakening Wonder Woman = Steppenwolf = Zeus

Ares wounding Steppenwolf with sharpened weaponry does not mean he is as strong as Steppenwolf.
 
I have no problm with this though it should be known Ares at his peak should be outright equal to Zeus since they stalemated each other in the opening.
 
A non awakened Wonder Woman was portrayed as far superior to regular Amazons, who fought against Parademons, and slightly superior to higher ranked ones. So it makes sense scaling wise.
 
Hellbeast1 said:
I have no problm with this though it should be known Ares at his peak should be outright equal to Zeus since they stalemated each other in the opening.
Ares was enhanced by violence.
 
Fhfhghghg said:
A non awakened Wonder Woman was portrayed as far superior to regular Amazons, who fought against Parademons, and slightly superior to higher ranked ones. So it makes sense scaling wise.
She might scale to Antiope who tanked a shockwave.

Anyway I calculated pre-awakening WW to be Supersonic+ here.
 
I am uncertain if this is necessary, but I think that Matthew and The Everlasting already explained the inconsistencies of scaling Ares and Zeus to Steppenwolf.
 
Well i mean not really since Supes oneshot Wolf and via scaling Zeus and Ares should be far below the Man of Steel
 
Well, as usual, it is best if you ask Matthew to comment here.
 
I don't think Ares should scale to 6-B Superman tbh.

Ares gets stronger via violence and hatred. He was enhanced by violence when fighting Zeus.

Ares does not scale to Steppenwolf. He only wounded Steppenwolf with sharpened weaponry.

Only Post-Awakening WW and Zeus should scale to Superman. Statistic amplified Ares scales too.
 
Ok, if Ares isn't amplified, what rating should he have?

I'd say Small Building Level, as he should logically be far superior to Parademons and Amazons due to being a god, and possibly into the City Block or even Country Level due to Enchantress, and her brother.

Personally, idk much about the wonder woman movie, just BvS and JSL, and a little about MoS.
 
Yes, but it should be "At least Small Building level

I would also like to state that human form Res is weaker than his giant form.
 
Wasn't Wonder Woman outclassed by Steppenwolf, who was outclassed by Superman? That causes an inconsistency.
 
That was Superman after getting a power boost from the mother box, the same one that easily outclassed Cyborg, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman at the same time.
 
@Antvasima You're probably misunderstanding us. We are not talking about the Zeus/Ares = Steppenwolf scaling, which was already debunked and rejected.
 
Okay. So what changes do you want to perform?
 
So Im hearing Small Building in base with 6-B while amped. Also should we have a tabber for his JL form and disguise? (I say this alot i know but no one answers me)

As for the WW point i wouldnt say shes outclassed since she hurts him and trades blows with him a little and Supermans astronomically higher then everyone anyway
 
Okay. That seems pretty harmless to me.
 
Also Ares in his massive and giant form > his human form. When Ares fought Zeus, he was statistic amplified by violence.
 
Giving Ares and Zeus higher statistics was decided to be inappropriate earlier.
 
Okay, but if you want to downgrade Ares, and possibly Wonder Woman, who is scaled from him, you have to ask Matthew to comment here first.
 
I do not intend to downgrade Ares.

What I want to do is:

For Wonder Woman:

A key for Pre-Awakening, being at least 9-A, and a key for post-awakening, being At least 6-C, likely 6-B, like now.

For Ares:

9-A at base. At least 6-C, possibly 6-B when amplified by violence and in his massive giant form.
 
I do not think that 9-A Ares seems reasonable. Wonder Woman should likely be fine though.
 
9-A is enormously lower than his regular statistics. There doesn't seem to be any valid reason for it.
 
Well i mean he's trading blows with a Pre Ascnsion Diana and got stomped when she ascended so i personally have no issue with it.

@SSr i believe the Amping thing comes from the Wiki for the DCEU which lists war empowerment under his powers (its also the source for his Matter Manip so i doubt there a problem with it)
 
@Antvasima

Would you agree with a rating like this Unknown, at least Small Building Level (Should be far far superior to Parademons and most Amazons due to his status as a God), likely far higher (Should be at least somewhat comparable to other Olympian Deities, and well above other Gods, such as Incubus, due to the amount of worship he has)

@Spinosaurus

Right before becoming the Godkiller against Ares, Wonder Woman did this, so Class 100 LS.
 
Hellbeast1 said:
Well i mean he's trading blows with a Pre Ascnsion Diana and got stomped when she ascended so i personally have no issue with it.

@SSr i believe the Amping thing comes from the Wiki for the DCEU which lists war empowerment under his powers (its also the source for his Matter Manip so i doubt there a problem with it)
What? I thought we didn't use the wiki for abilities we need more proof like scans databooks...
 
Well im pretty sure thats where his Matter Manip came from so i didnt think thered be much issue with it (Though i didnt add it if i remember)
 
I am not the right person to make a snap judgement about this. Matthew is better informed than I am.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
@Fhfhghghg That tank is only Class 25


The tank she lifted was the Mark IV which weighs more than 25 tons. So it should be Class 50, just on the low end of it.
 
@Ssr4vegito Ares is the god of war, violence and hatred. When Wonder Woman uses the power of love, Ares is considerably weaker when Wonder Woman was enraged.

During the War of the Gods, welp, it's a war. Is this explanation unprofessional?
 
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