DC Raven Profile Addition

[Lloydblitzed]

So I just spent the last 3 days cooking a profile for Raven which basically includes her Base form and her Unkindness Form. Since she's 1-A, the purpose of that CRT is to basically get her feats accepted so I can publish her profile

Raven Profile Creation

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Agree: @GeneralSol16 @Milly_Rocking_Bandit @Infinitinet @GrayCraft_Dragon @Starbrand_Fan @TheOrangeGuy09 @MintyBoi1 @Maverick_Zero_X (Grammar issue to fix. Seemingly doesn't disagree on anything)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[GeneralSol16]

Agree.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Agree.

Counted

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Icl prob the best made DC Comics profile formatting wise

 

[Eseseso]

Following

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Good work. Agree. 4-B seems like a bit of a lowball.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Good work. Agree. 4-B seems like a bit of a lowball.

U got some feats that can get her higher?

 

[Hirotoswnn1x]

@Elizio33 @VeryGoofyToddler2 should be 1-B for unkindness?

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

• Paralysis Negation (Cured a guy that was blinded by a magical force[22])

This is not Paralysis Negation. It's either power nulling a magical force, or healing It's effects.

• Multiple Selves (Created hands to restrain Tim Drake and Nightwing)
• Duplication (Can split her soul and her physical body into 2 entities. Can split her soul self into multiple other avatars)

The first is... just no. It would be Additional Limbs. The second would be Fissionism, depending if they are different entities, if not, yeah it's dupe.

• Time Manipulation (After the Teen Titans were being transported to different points of time, she manipulated the energy of the Timestream to bring them back together[30], and sent them 20 years in the future instead[31])

Why is this separated from time stop?

• Instinctive Action (Instanly teleported away from a Shadow Rider's attack once she got her powers back[41])

Could be a reaction feat tbh.

• Limited Power Nullification (While her soul-self was trapped in another dimension, she lost a lot of her powers but is was still able to fly because she has some residual magic[47]. Could still sense emotions without her soul self)

Nothing here is a resistance. At best an extention of how her powers can still be used by her.

 

[Hypertornado099]

I have issues with the statistics

I think Raven pre Infinite Frontier is probably not consistently 4-B in durability. She can be hurt by a piece of debris being punched at her and is significantly hurt by a truck explosion

She does have some 4-B feats though, like taking Mother Blood's magic which took out Kyle Rayner. She also takes a punch from Wonder Woman, and you included this scan in the sandbox. The problem is that before Infinite Frontier, these are the closest thing she has to concrete 4-B scaling in durability, while she has 2 other anti-feats

Matched a blast from the Spectre, althought he later overpowered her.

The Spectre was a part of Pariah's army here, which means he's weakened

Can harm Superboy

Superboy is vulnerable to magic

While separated from her soul-self, shielded herself from her demonic soul's energy, althought it took her a lot of effort

This is a feat for her defensive magic, not AP

Striking Strength: Solar System level (Punched away an attack from the Thing. Comparable to her Attack Potency)

Why is that feat solar system level? Why is her striking comparable to her AP? Magic users in DC don't always have striking strength equal in power to their magic blasts

 

[Hypertornado099]

Now, about the abilities

• Mind Manipulation (2 layers: Took over Beast Boy's Mind. Forced the Dawnbreaker's bat construct to attack him instead of her. Forced a group of doctors to save her sister. Read Tim's thoughts while he was speaking to the Titans through a monitor, and showed everyone what he was thinking. Read throught Grymm's mind even if he had multiple layers of defenses. Made 2 security guard think Beast Boy was "normal")

Grymm's mental defenses did make it harder for Raven to read his mind, we don't even know how strong his defenses are anyways. It needs to be able to block out basic mind reading for Raven's feat to be layered. Even if it was layered, it would only be layered telepathy, not mind manipulation.

• Paralysis Negation (Cured a guy that was blinded by a magical force[22])

This is not paralysis, its not even negation. Its a feat that should be under healing, though

• Time Manipulation (After the Teen Titans were being transported to different points of time, she manipulated the energy of the Timestream to bring them back together[30], and sent them 20 years in the future instead[31])

This is time travel as well. There's also this feat of navigating the Timestream, though it taxed her greatly

• Instinctive Action (Instanly teleported away from a Shadow Rider's attack once she got her powers back[41])

This is just a reaction speed feat tbh

Transmutation (Made a girl revert back to normal after relieving her pain[16]. Empathically merged with a woman, allowing Raven to see what the woman sees[17].

The first should be healing and purification, the second isn't even transmutation

• Pain Manipulation (Absorbed and wisthanded the pain of multiple people around her[42])

This is pain tolerance, not resistance to pain

• Time Stop (Could move around normally when time was stopped[52])

This is time slow, not stop, and is explained to be a feat for her perception speed, so not a hax resistance

• Radiation Manipulation (Unfazed by the radiations of space[51])

This should be space survival instead of a resistance

• Power Absorption (The Disruptor's power couldn't work on her soul self due to being an astral being[48])

This is a limitation of the Disruptor's ability, it doesn't work on astral beings

She also has a resistance to electricity, you can find the scans on the respect thread you got these scans from. Additionally, you should add the comic sources for some of these feats, but if you're too busy to do that I could help

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This should be space survival instead of a resistance

There's plently of pages that got Radation Manip resistances over surviving space, no

This is a limitation of the Disruptor's ability, it doesn't work on astral beings

I don't see why it wouldn't grant a resistance

She also has a resistance to electricity, you can find the scans on the respect thread you got these scans from. Additionally, you should add the comic sources for some of these feats, but if you're too busy to do that I could help

There's a lot of feats with the same source, or others I didn't add yet, so ye

Grymm's mental defenses did make it harder for Raven to read his mind, we don't even know how strong his defenses are anyways. It needs to be able to block out basic mind reading for Raven's feat to be layered. Even if it was layered, it would only be layered telepathy, not mind manipulation.

The fact he had multiple defense still implies layers tbh

The second isn't even transmutation

Fusionism?

This is pain tolerance, not resistance to pain

Why?

This is time slow, not stop, and is explained to be a feat for her perception speed, so not a hax resistance

Her feat of stopping time with Beast Boy would still grant her a resisitance anyways

I think Raven pre Infinite Frontier is probably not consistently 4-B in durability. She can be hurt by a piece of debris being punched at her and is significantly hurt by a truck explosion

Outliers? She consistanly take blows from people far stronger than debris.

She does have some 4-B feats though, like taking Mother Blood's magic which took out Kyle Rayner. She also takes a punch from Wonder Woman, and you included this scan in the sandbox. The problem is that before Infinite Frontier, these are the closest thing she has to concrete 4-B scaling in durability, while she has 2 other anti-feats

I scaled her base in overall post flashpoint, didn't really seperate the Pre and Post Infinite Frontier arc

The Spectre was a part of Pariah's army here, which means he's weakened

"Althought she was overpowered"

This is a feat for her defensive magic, not AP

Blocking blasts qualifies as AP

• Multiple Selves (Created hands to restrain Tim Drake and Nightwing)
• Duplication (Can split her soul and her physical body into 2 entities. Can split her soul self into multiple other avatars)

The first is... just no. It would be Additional Limbs. The second would be Fissionism, depending if they are different entities, if not, yeah it's dupe.

I forgot to add scan

• Time Manipulation (After the Teen Titans were being transported to different points of time, she manipulated the energy of the Timestream to bring them back together[30], and sent them 20 years in the future instead[31])

Why is this separated from time stop?

Bc its not the same thing

• Limited Power Nullification (While her soul-self was trapped in another dimension, she lost a lot of her powers but is was still able to fly because she has some residual magic[47]. Could still sense emotions without her soul self)

Nothing here is a resistance. At best an extention of how her powers can still be used by her.

Don't really see why

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Bc its not the same thing

Nah, the Time Manipulation page already list Time Stop as one of it's uses.

Don't really see why

If she still has a bit of her magic left, there's no reason to assume she has a resistance to begin with, as it could just mean that she still has enough magic left to use those powers.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

@Elizio33 @VeryGoofyToddler2 should be 1-B for unkindness?

Destroying everything as far as the Speed Force is 1-A

 

[Infinitinet]

I agree with this post.

 

[Hirotoswnn1x]

Destroying everything as far as the Speed Force is 1-A

Can we really use new information based on old content? Because even Wally and Barry who use speed force still only have a rating of 1-B, unkindness that is older than that will not be able to scale according to Speed force (1-A), but will be the old scale, which is 1-B through SOTG.

However, I will wait for @Elizio33 and @VeryGoofyToddler2 comment

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Can we really use new information based on old content? Because even Wally and Barry who use speed force still only have a rating of 1-B, unkindness that is older than that will not be able to scale according to Speed force (1-A), but will be the old scale, which is 1-B through SOTG.

However, I will wait for @Elizio33 and @VeryGoofyToddler2 comment

Technically WOG made her to be at the Presence level of power but not sure if we can use his statement

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Bump

 

[GrayCraft_Dragon]

Ayo shit's looking nice, agree

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Ayo shit's looking nice, agree

ty

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Bump

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

There's plently of pages that got Radation Manip resistances over surviving space, no

They’re all probably outdated, Space Survival is relatively new ability on the wiki

I agree with the rest of the profile though

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They’re all probably outdated, Space Survival is relatively new ability on the wiki

Oh

I agree with the rest of the profile though

Counted

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

I think Raven pre Infinite Frontier is probably not consistently 4-B in durability. She can be hurt by a piece of debris being punched at her and is significantly hurt by a truck explosion

It was punched at her by another herald tier character so not really an anti-feat

Place me in for agreement

 

[AigerTheKing]

Bro cooked with that profile damn

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Bro cooked with that profile damn

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It was punched at her by another herald tier character so not really an anti-feat

Place me in for agreement

Counted

 

[MintyBoi1]

I was wondering why Raven lacked a profile. Looking good

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I was wondering why Raven lacked a profile. Looking good

ty

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I agree with everything except the following:

• Paralysis Negation: the scan doesn't show any sort of negation
• Transmutation: I don't see it.
• Durability Negation: I don't know about that.
• Instinctive Action: Looks more like a form of reaction. The scan where she fled Heaven would probably suit this one better.

As for the rating, 4-B sounds fine in the grand scheme of things. As long as that's been consistently shown with her which I fully agree is very consistent. For 1-A, I would prefer 1-B, possibly 1-A until she actually brings an end to it all.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I agree with everything except the following:

• Paralysis Negation: the scan doesn't show any sort of negation

I think I'll just put it in the healing part cuz I realised this is wrong

• Transmutation: I don't see it.

How is turning yourself into a kid not transmutation?

• Durability Negation: I don't know about that.

Ish she was ripping his soul away and negating his dura that way

• Instinctive Action: Looks more like a form of reaction. The scan where she fled Heaven would probably suit this one better.

Can you send the scan

For 1-A, I would prefer 1-B, possibly 1-A until she actually brings an end to it all.

Hum alright, sounds reasonable

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

How is turning yourself into a kid not transmutation?

That would be more like biological or age manipulation. Transmutation is changing yourself into something else.

Ish she was ripping his soul away and negating his dura that way

I think on a second glance it's fine due to the page stating:

An attack that somehow bypasses the upper layers of the body and attacks the internal organs or an equivalent. This can be done in a wide variety of ways. It is considered a form of negation due to the fact that internal structures and specifically parts whose function isn't to support the structure and stability of the body are much easier to injure or otherwise damage.

As for your scan it's from Day of Judgment Vol.1 #2

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That would be more like biological or age manipulation. Transmutation is changing yourself into something else.

Hum alright

As for your scan it's from Day of Judgment Vol.1 #2

Link is broken but I'll go search for the feat in the comic

 

[LordTracer]

I’m seeing a lot of places in this sandbox that don’t have references.
- Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Telepathy, Illusion Creation, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Dimensional Travel, Duplication, Invisibility, Intangibility, Summoning, BFR, Size Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Explosion Manipulation, Durability Negation, Telekinesis, Flight, Multiple Selves, Teleportation, Portal Creation, Power Nullification and Time Stop are all missing references.

- Astral Projection is listed twice, neither one has any references.

- The first and third scans in Mind Manipulation Negation don’t have references.

- Self-Sustenence doesn’t have references and also doesn’t list the type.

And that’s not even all of them. That’s just from the first tab of her P&A. There’s missing references throughout the rest of her profile as well. All of that needs to be fixed.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I’m seeing a lot of places in this sandbox that don’t have references.
- Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Telepathy, Illusion Creation, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Dimensional Travel, Duplication, Invisibility, Intangibility, Summoning, BFR, Size Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Explosion Manipulation, Durability Negation, Telekinesis, Flight, Multiple Selves, Teleportation, Portal Creation, Power Nullification and Time Stop are all missing references.

- Astral Projection is listed twice, neither one has any references.

Ye Imma fix it

- The first and third scans in Mind Manipulation Negation don’t have references.

- Self-Sustenence doesn’t have references and also doesn’t list the type.

Oh

And that’s not even all of them. That’s just from the first tab of her P&A. There’s missing references throughout the rest of her profile as well. All of that needs to be fixed.

A few abilities are just the same ones that were listed previously, so I didn't add them

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Destroying everything as far as the Speed Force is 1-A

No? The incarnation of the Speed Force that's 1-A lies within the Source. The Speed Force Wall and characters who scale to it are just 1-B.

Technically WOG made her to be at the Presence level of power but not sure if we can use his statement

This is a leading question if I've ever seen one. Looks to me like Unkindess just qualifies for 1-B.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This is a leading question if I've ever seen one. Looks to me like Unkindess just qualifies for 1-B.

Idk, the questioner does not really “lead” him to answer, he gives a choice. It’s like asking “is this guy good or bad or neutral”

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Adding those references took so much time I also fixed the striking strength justification

 

[AigerTheKing]

No? The incarnation of the Speed Force that's 1-A lies within the Source. The Speed Force Wall and characters who scale to it are just 1-B.

This is a leading question if I've ever seen one. Looks to me like Unkindess just qualifies for 1-B.

Meh, he was asking if she was devouring the Universe, Multiverse or Omniverse, not really leading, more of a clarification question

 

[AigerTheKing]

Adding those references took so much time I also fixed the striking strength justification

You forgot this

Self-Sustenence doesn’t have references and also doesn’t list the type.

As well as Extraordinary perception and Enhanced Sense references

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You forgot this



As well as Extraordinary perception and Enhanced Sense references

Yeah ik, Im fixing it today