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This is not Paralysis Negation. It's either power nulling a magical force, or healing It's effects.

The first is... just no. It would be Additional Limbs. The second would be Fissionism, depending if they are different entities, if not, yeah it's dupe.

Why is this separated from time stop?

Could be a reaction feat tbh.

Nothing here is a resistance. At best an extention of how her powers can still be used by her.
 
I have issues with the statistics

I think Raven pre Infinite Frontier is probably not consistently 4-B in durability. She can be hurt by a piece of debris being punched at her and is significantly hurt by a truck explosion

She does have some 4-B feats though, like taking Mother Blood's magic which took out Kyle Rayner. She also takes a punch from Wonder Woman, and you included this scan in the sandbox. The problem is that before Infinite Frontier, these are the closest thing she has to concrete 4-B scaling in durability, while she has 2 other anti-feats

Matched a blast from the Spectre, althought he later overpowered her.
The Spectre was a part of Pariah's army here, which means he's weakened

Superboy is vulnerable to magic

This is a feat for her defensive magic, not AP

Striking Strength: Solar System level (Punched away an attack from the Thing. Comparable to her Attack Potency)
Why is that feat solar system level? Why is her striking comparable to her AP? Magic users in DC don't always have striking strength equal in power to their magic blasts
 
Now, about the abilities

Grymm's mental defenses did make it harder for Raven to read his mind, we don't even know how strong his defenses are anyways. It needs to be able to block out basic mind reading for Raven's feat to be layered. Even if it was layered, it would only be layered telepathy, not mind manipulation.

This is not paralysis, its not even negation. Its a feat that should be under healing, though

This is time travel as well. There's also this feat of navigating the Timestream, though it taxed her greatly

This is just a reaction speed feat tbh

The first should be healing and purification, the second isn't even transmutation


This is pain tolerance, not resistance to pain

This is time slow, not stop, and is explained to be a feat for her perception speed, so not a hax resistance

This should be space survival instead of a resistance

This is a limitation of the Disruptor's ability, it doesn't work on astral beings

She also has a resistance to electricity, you can find the scans on the respect thread you got these scans from. Additionally, you should add the comic sources for some of these feats, but if you're too busy to do that I could help
 
This should be space survival instead of a resistance
There's plently of pages that got Radation Manip resistances over surviving space, no
This is a limitation of the Disruptor's ability, it doesn't work on astral beings
I don't see why it wouldn't grant a resistance
She also has a resistance to electricity, you can find the scans on the respect thread you got these scans from. Additionally, you should add the comic sources for some of these feats, but if you're too busy to do that I could help
There's a lot of feats with the same source, or others I didn't add yet, so ye
Grymm's mental defenses did make it harder for Raven to read his mind, we don't even know how strong his defenses are anyways. It needs to be able to block out basic mind reading for Raven's feat to be layered. Even if it was layered, it would only be layered telepathy, not mind manipulation.
The fact he had multiple defense still implies layers tbh

The second isn't even transmutation
Fusionism?
This is pain tolerance, not resistance to pain
Why?
This is time slow, not stop, and is explained to be a feat for her perception speed, so not a hax resistance
Her feat of stopping time with Beast Boy would still grant her a resisitance anyways
I think Raven pre Infinite Frontier is probably not consistently 4-B in durability. She can be hurt by a piece of debris being punched at her and is significantly hurt by a truck explosion
Outliers? She consistanly take blows from people far stronger than debris.
She does have some 4-B feats though, like taking Mother Blood's magic which took out Kyle Rayner. She also takes a punch from Wonder Woman, and you included this scan in the sandbox. The problem is that before Infinite Frontier, these are the closest thing she has to concrete 4-B scaling in durability, while she has 2 other anti-feats
I scaled her base in overall post flashpoint, didn't really seperate the Pre and Post Infinite Frontier arc
"Althought she was overpowered"

This is a feat for her defensive magic, not AP
Blocking blasts qualifies as AP
The first is... just no. It would be Additional Limbs. The second would be Fissionism, depending if they are different entities, if not, yeah it's dupe.
I forgot to add scan
Why is this separated from time stop?
Bc its not the same thing
Nothing here is a resistance. At best an extention of how her powers can still be used by her.
Don't really see why
 
Destroying everything as far as the Speed Force is 1-A
Can we really use new information based on old content? Because even Wally and Barry who use speed force still only have a rating of 1-B, unkindness that is older than that will not be able to scale according to Speed force (1-A), but will be the old scale, which is 1-B through SOTG.

However, I will wait for @Elizio33 and @VeryGoofyToddler2 comment
 
Can we really use new information based on old content? Because even Wally and Barry who use speed force still only have a rating of 1-B, unkindness that is older than that will not be able to scale according to Speed force (1-A), but will be the old scale, which is 1-B through SOTG.

However, I will wait for @Elizio33 and @VeryGoofyToddler2 comment
Technically WOG made her to be at the Presence level of power but not sure if we can use his statement
 
I agree with everything except the following:
  • Paralysis Negation: the scan doesn't show any sort of negation
  • Transmutation: I don't see it.
  • Durability Negation: I don't know about that.
  • Instinctive Action: Looks more like a form of reaction. The scan where she fled Heaven would probably suit this one better.

As for the rating, 4-B sounds fine in the grand scheme of things. As long as that's been consistently shown with her which I fully agree is very consistent. For 1-A, I would prefer 1-B, possibly 1-A until she actually brings an end to it all.
 
I agree with everything except the following:
  • Paralysis Negation: the scan doesn't show any sort of negation
I think I'll just put it in the healing part cuz I realised this is wrong
  • Transmutation: I don't see it.
How is turning yourself into a kid not transmutation?
  • Durability Negation: I don't know about that.
Ish she was ripping his soul away and negating his dura that way

  • Instinctive Action: Looks more like a form of reaction. The scan where she fled Heaven would probably suit this one better.
Can you send the scan
For 1-A, I would prefer 1-B, possibly 1-A until she actually brings an end to it all.
Hum alright, sounds reasonable
 
How is turning yourself into a kid not transmutation?
That would be more like biological or age manipulation. Transmutation is changing yourself into something else.
Ish she was ripping his soul away and negating his dura that way
I think on a second glance it's fine due to the page stating:
An attack that somehow bypasses the upper layers of the body and attacks the internal organs or an equivalent. This can be done in a wide variety of ways. It is considered a form of negation due to the fact that internal structures and specifically parts whose function isn't to support the structure and stability of the body are much easier to injure or otherwise damage.
As for your scan it's from Day of Judgment Vol.1 #2
 
I’m seeing a lot of places in this sandbox that don’t have references.
- Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Telepathy, Illusion Creation, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Dimensional Travel, Duplication, Invisibility, Intangibility, Summoning, BFR, Size Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Explosion Manipulation, Durability Negation, Telekinesis, Flight, Multiple Selves, Teleportation, Portal Creation, Power Nullification and Time Stop are all missing references.

- Astral Projection is listed twice, neither one has any references.

- The first and third scans in Mind Manipulation Negation don’t have references.

- Self-Sustenence doesn’t have references and also doesn’t list the type.

And that’s not even all of them. That’s just from the first tab of her P&A. There’s missing references throughout the rest of her profile as well. All of that needs to be fixed.
 
I’m seeing a lot of places in this sandbox that don’t have references.
- Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Telepathy, Illusion Creation, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Dimensional Travel, Duplication, Invisibility, Intangibility, Summoning, BFR, Size Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Explosion Manipulation, Durability Negation, Telekinesis, Flight, Multiple Selves, Teleportation, Portal Creation, Power Nullification and Time Stop are all missing references.
- Astral Projection is listed twice, neither one has any references.
Ye Imma fix it
- The first and third scans in Mind Manipulation Negation don’t have references.

- Self-Sustenence doesn’t have references and also doesn’t list the type.
Oh
And that’s not even all of them. That’s just from the first tab of her P&A. There’s missing references throughout the rest of her profile as well. All of that needs to be fixed.
A few abilities are just the same ones that were listed previously, so I didn't add them
 
Destroying everything as far as the Speed Force is 1-A
No? The incarnation of the Speed Force that's 1-A lies within the Source. The Speed Force Wall and characters who scale to it are just 1-B.
Technically WOG made her to be at the Presence level of power but not sure if we can use his statement
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This is a leading question if I've ever seen one. Looks to me like Unkindess just qualifies for 1-B.
 
No? The incarnation of the Speed Force that's 1-A lies within the Source. The Speed Force Wall and characters who scale to it are just 1-B.

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This is a leading question if I've ever seen one. Looks to me like Unkindess just qualifies for 1-B.
Meh, he was asking if she was devouring the Universe, Multiverse or Omniverse, not really leading, more of a clarification question
 
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