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DC Extended Universe Revisions

Ok, did some changes for Cyborg and Steppy. I removed the dura neg for Steppy since his Axe doesn't have many feats supporting it.

Cyborg:
Attack Potency: At most Large Mountain level (Harmed Steppenwolf with plasmablasts, contributed to separating the Mother Boxes, which also required sizeable effort from Superman) | At most Large Mountain level (Just as powerful as in the theatrical cut), higher with Technology Manipulation (Stated as having control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes)

Steppenwolf:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (Fought the entire Justice League head-on. Capable of defeating Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Should be comparable to Doomsday) | At least Large Mountain level (Just as powerful as in the theatrical cut)
 
I'd disagree with the "just as powerful as in Theatrical"

Wonder Woman and co have no reason to scale to Superman and Steppenwolf is much closer in person to the other characters
 
She would but Theatrically Doomsday scales to a prime Supes but in the Snyder Cut no one does so he's magnitudes weaker
 
Hellbeast said:
She would but Theatrically Doomsday scales to a prime Supes but in the Snyder Cut no one does so he's magnitudes weaker
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I see, but at the very least the JL should still to the World Engine feat right? As they'd instead be scaled off a weakened Supes instead of Prime Supes. Should I change their justifications to that?
 
The consensus seemed to be they shouldn't be weaker then the Supes who performed the World Engine feat but not as strong as Prime Supes
 
Hellbeast said:
Why? We see Supes visibly struggle even with cyvorg weakening the boxes

Ares was blatantly weakened during WW so that’s ifrelevant

Zeus doesn’t seem to need to build up energies since we see him just throw those out in both cut
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If lightning bolts are just super powers the gods have ares weakened or not should not find trouble flying nor get weak after flight....But he did get weak after releasing lightning bolts which suggests it/kinda temporarily drains them.......looking at thor who can release even more powerful lightning bolts he never seem to flinch afterwards, sometimes the bolts come off him even unawares...it's more of something thor is and for the gods like zeus it was clear he took time to build up the lightning bolts and seeing how he doesnt even release it every 3 seconds after the previous strikes.......
Hellbeast said:
Why? We see Supes visibly struggle even with cyvorg weakening the boxes

Supes is already likely higher and Zeus is >> hun
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Yeah Supes did struggle because lolz it's a feat of strength which i bet zeus will also if he tried breaking the box apart with strength...again those lightning bolts takes little time to build up.

Supes has 'likely' higher but zeus could just be 6c plane doesnt make him on par with supes just to show the difference in power is not so much.

Also the same lightning bolts did almost no damage to Uxas which was comparable to Doomsday<steppen wolf, and superman handled Steppen wolf like childplay and we see his punches do far more damage to steppen wolf than Zeus lightning did to uxas whom is even weaker than Steppen......so it's either that's a simple inconsistent feat to be overlooked or The gods should be reduced to high 7A likely higher too.
 
Fitz_100 said:
If lightning bolts are just super powers the gods have ares weakened or not should not find trouble flying nor get weak after flight....But he did get weak after releasing lightning bolts which suggests it/kinda temporarily drains them.......looking at thor who can release even more powerful lightning bolts he never seem to flinch afterwards, sometimes the bolts come off him even unawares...it's more of something thor is and for the gods like zeus it was clear he took time to build up the lightning bolts and seeing how he doesnt even release it every 3 seconds after the previous strikes.......

Yeah Supes did struggle because lolz it's a feat of strength which i bet zeus will also if he tried breaking the box apart with strength...again those lightning bolts takes little time to build up.

Supes has 'likely' higher but zeus could just be 6c plane doesnt make him on par with supes just to show the difference in power is not so much.

Also the same lightning bolts did almost no damage to Uxas which was comparable to Doomsday<steppen wolf, and superman handled Steppen wolf like childplay and we see his punches do far more damage to steppen wolf than Zeus lightning did to uxas whom is even weaker than Steppen......so it's either that's a simple inconsistent feat to be overlooked or The gods should be reduced to high 7A likely higher too.
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Where did we see Zeus exhausted after splitting the Mother Boxes?

Firstly Uxas blocked the lightning with his staff, and second why does Uxas scale to Doomsday? I thought Steppenwolf did.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Firstly Uxas blocked the lightning with his staff, and second why does Uxas scale to Doomsday? I thought Steppenwolf did.
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Both do
Uxas is stated to be comparable to DD by Snyder himself and Steppenwolf’s performance against Diana implies somewhat superiority

Fitz_100 said:
If lightning bolts are just super powers the gods have ares weakened or not should not find trouble flying nor get weak after flight....But he did get weak after releasing lightning bolts which suggests it/kinda temporarily drains them.......looking at thor who can release even more powerful lightning bolts he never seem to flinch afterwards, sometimes the bolts come off him even unawares...it's more of something thor is and for the gods like zeus it was clear he took time to build up the lightning bolts and seeing how he doesnt even release it every 3 seconds after the previous strikes.......
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There’s no reason to think Zeus doesn’t scale to his lightning since Ares survives strikes in his original fight

Also why are you taking about Thor? He’s not even from this verse and is irrelevant
Fitz_100 said:
Yeah Supes did struggle because lolz it's a feat of strength which i bet zeus will also if he tried breaking the box apart with strength...again those lightning bolts takes little time to build up.

Supes has 'likely' higher but zeus could just be 6c plane doesnt make him on par with supes just to show the difference in power is not so much.
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It’s relative in the Snyder Cut but Supes is still slightly weaker then zeus

It’s not rocket science to think character who oneshots something is > someone who struggled with that same feat

Also the same lightning bolts did almost no damage to Uxas which was comparable to Doomsday<steppen wolf, and superman handled Steppen wolf like childplay and we see his punches do far more damage to steppen wolf than Zeus lightning did to uxas whom is even weaker than Steppen......so it's either that's a simple inconsistent feat to be overlooked or The gods should be reduced to high 7A likely higher too.
Watch the scene closely, Uxas blocks it with his Staff (with incredible effort) and Ares jumps in

It’s not a feat of durability for Uxas
 
Hellbeast said:
It’s relative in the Snyder Cut but Supes is still slightly weaker then zeus

It’s not rocket science to think character who oneshots something is > someone who struggled with that same feat

Also the same lightning bolts did almost no damage to Uxas which was comparable to Doomsday<steppen wolf, and superman handled Steppen wolf like childplay and we see his punches do far more damage to steppen wolf than Zeus lightning did to uxas whom is even weaker than Steppen......so it's either that's a simple inconsistent feat to be overlooked or The gods should be reduced to high 7A likely higher too.
Watch the scene closely, Uxas blocks it with his Staff (with incredible effort) and Ares jumps in

It’s not a feat of durability for Uxas
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So we ignore the fact that uxas withstood attacks from three gods and king of atlantis but his superior got handled by superman... We ignore that and only use zeus separating the boxes as proof for his superiority.

Also Zeus's lightning bolts couldnt dent Uxas's staff but could Separate the unity....
Superman stomped Steppen wolf whom was greater than Uxas but it took attacks from 3 gods, a lantern and the king of atlantis to Injure Uxas..... Zeus separating those boxes is a feat that is also inconsistent with his other showings..... Like when he shot the lightninh at the parademons and created no crater on the ground but a weakened Ares's lightning created a massive crater on the ground.....

So why do we ignore the steppen Wolf feat and use only a feat that seems to be inconsistent throughout to scale Zeus above Superman? Also even if that is somehow accepted why scale Ares to Zeus when he only injured Uxas that is after uxas has taken many hits from two gods, if we scale him to zeus then what about Superman that stomped Steppen wolf all on his own?

Supes feat's been calculated but not so much for the gods instead giving them a 6c tier for feats that isnt so clear and inconsistent why not place them equal to Superman with a well calculated feat, even though superman is legit more powerful than them except maybe for Zeus ( if we accept his Separating the boxes )
 
Uxas's staff is clearly superior to Uxas himself by a significant degree if he uses it as a shield. Also Steppenwolf is also stated to be equal to Doomsday by Zach, so he's not superior to Uxas.

Area of Effect arguments aren't valid, Zeus's lightning was directed at the Mother Box/Parademons. Green Lantern got rekt, Uxas tanked the Atlantis King's AoE attack (which Aquaman whacked Steppenwolf across the room although he was already weakened by Superman), Zeus (who got blocked with staff) and Ares. We only know Ares can severely injure Uxas with a hit from his axe but we don't know if he could one-on-one so that doesn't prove anything either way.

The only feat that gives any indication of scaling of the Old Gods to Superman would be the Mother Box splitting as Zeus/Ares and Uxas never directly duel.
 
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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Uxas's staff is clearly superior to Uxas himself by a significant degree if he uses it as a shield. Also Steppenwolf is also stated to be equal to Doomsday by Zach, so he's not superior to Uxas.

Area of Effect arguments aren't valid, Zeus's lightning was directed at the Mother Box/Parademons. Green Lantern got rekt, Uxas tanked the Atlantis King's AoE attack (which Aquaman whacked Steppenwolf across the room although he was already weakened by Superman), Zeus (who got blocked with staff) and Ares. We only know Ares can severely injure Uxas with a hit from his axe but we don't know if he could one-on-one so that doesn't prove anything either way.

The only feat that gives any indication of scaling of the Old Gods to Superman would be the Mother Box splitting as Zeus/Ares and Uxas never directly duel.
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I agree with almost everything.....the statement about Uxas's staff, it was never stated that it was, and if we compare it to steppen Wolf's axe we saw how superman literally froze it down to it atoms enough for Diana to shatter it, if we go by that we can also get a scaling too
 
Fitz_100 said:
I agree with almost everything.....the statement about Uxas's staff, it was never stated that it was, and if we compare it to steppen Wolf's axe we saw how superman literally froze it down to it atoms enough for Diana to shatter it, if we go by that we can also get a scaling too
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We don't know that if it's comparable to Steppenwolf's axe, and when we throw that out and compare it to Zeus/Superman respectively the conclusion would be that it's stronger
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Uxas's staff is clearly superior to Uxas himself by a significant degree if he uses it as a shield. Also Steppenwolf is also stated to be equal to Doomsday by Zach, so he's not superior to Uxas.

Area of Effect arguments aren't valid, Zeus's lightning was directed at the Mother Box/Parademons. Green Lantern got rekt, Uxas tanked the Atlantis King's AoE attack (which Aquaman whacked Steppenwolf across the room although he was already weakened by Superman), Zeus (who got blocked with staff) and Ares. We only know Ares can severely injure Uxas with a hit from his axe but we don't know if he could one-on-one so that doesn't prove anything either way.
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Yeah we dont know but yet we scale him Zeus anyway.
King of Atlantis Attack was directed at Uxas.
Also Zack said Steppen is comparable to Doomsday against what Diana said hmmmm.

Still none of the gods could come at Uxas alone not even zeus, Ares took advange of Zeus lightning strike and came at Uxas immediately like Thor did to thanos. Superman insulted Steppen wolf we cannot just ignore that. Artemis's arrows couldnt do any serious damage compared to what Superman's single punch did to Steppen Wolf. If we gonna use only the boxes feat then it should be just a feat for Zeus even though he clearly was hesitant in taking on Uxas alone.

Also why cant we conpare both weapons?
Uxas's weapon created the ancient symbol on the ground the same way steppen wolf did, Uxas's weapon got broken by Ares using an Olympian weapon or so but Diana's Sword which should be comparable if not a more powerful weapon could not shatter Steppen wolf's axe not until Superman abused the staff also.

And the zeus feat is still way too exaggerated i think... I mean if all zeus lightning strikes carry the same energy then when he used it on those parademons they should've evaporated or something, so it's either Zeus's lightning are as powerful as he wants them to be or Zack was inconsistent with how powerful zeus lightning is...... 1) they couldnt destroy Uxas's staff 2) The effort it took Ares to brake them compared to what it took Superman to abuse Steppen wolf shows that Superman is flat out stronger than Ares and hence his punches more powerful than Zeus Lightning bolts....
3) Superman lasers could cut out steppen wolf's horn we see him do that with the same ease it took Zeus to release those lightning bolts at Uxas but with a greater ease than what it took Ares despite using a weapon suposedly able to naturally ignore durability scaling from Diana's Blade.

Everything flat out shows superman was superior than the gods and if anything Zeus separating those boxes is not consistent with everyother thing he did with his lightning bolts....or at least he alone should be 6c and Ares and everyother gods should be about equal to Superman or lesser since they were actually shown to be lesser.
 
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RanaProGamer said:
Alright, I'm about to add these, lemme know if these are correct.

Superman:
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Even after being heavily weakened by the effects of the terraforming, he was able to one-shot the World Engine, which was capable of obliterating a mountain. Capable of harming Doomsday, who knocked around Wonder Woman, and effortlessly moved a tectonic plate to prevent an earthquake. Stronger than Aquaman) | At least Large Mountain level, likely far higher (Empowered by the Mother Boxes. Stronger than his previous state, and than virtually everyone else in the Justice League film) | At least Large Mountain level, likely far higher (Casually beat down Steppenwolf whereas the rest of the Justice League struggled to keep up)

Batman:
Attack Potency: Wall level (Capable of punching a man hard enough for them to flip in the air and smash into a wooden floor, and throwing someone with enough force to break a wall among other feats. Can also smash his way through a wall, and do battle with Parademons. His suit enhances his ordinary strength due to having brass knuckles in his gauntlets) | Small Building level+ (Was completely overpowered by Superman, and required Kryptonite to defeat him. However he was able to send weakened Superman flying with a kick and swung him like a wrecking ball with the use of a rope, destroying four large pillars), up to Small City level with Prep Time (Capable of crafting 300 Decibel Soundwave emitters) | Wall level physically, up to Small Building level with Gauntlets (Able to consistently damage Parademons)

Wonder Woman:
Attack Potency: Building level+ (Vastly superior to most, if not all, Amazons, who have fought Parademons. Destroyed the top of a Church), likely far higher (Barely fought against an extremely casual Ares) | Large Mountain level (Comparable, if not superior, to Aquaman. Killed Ares when he was weakened. Comparable to Superman. Sliced Doomsday's arm with her sword. Briefly held her own against a resurrected Superman, although she was clearly outmatched) | Large Mountain level (Held her own against Steppenwolf and even managed to decapitated him with her sword)

Aquaman:
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Fought Steppenwolf head on and kept up with him. Comparable to Wonder Woman in strength. Fought against Orm who was comparable to him and can cause tsunamis that can topple aircraft carriers and leave a large junk of trash on land as a warning shot), likely higher with the Trident of Atlantis (His new Trident of Atlantis is far superior to his old Quindent, as it broke Orm's trident which broke his old Quindent. The Trident of Atlantis seemingly sank Atlantis and dried up the Sahara Desert. Controlled Karathen) | Large Mountain level (Just as powerful as in the theatrical cut. Stabbed Steppenwolf with his Quindent)

Flash:
Attack Potency: At least Small Building level (Blasted a Parademon by running through it). Can negate durability with phasing. | At least Small Building level, at most Large Mountain level (While inferior, he has shown to be somewhat comparable to other members of the Justice League)

Speed: At least Relativistic+ (Can time-travel by going at close to the speed of light. The Justice League appears slow when compared to him. Can generate blue-shifts with the speed force), likely far higher (Can keep up with Superman and even see him slowly) | Varies from At least Relativistic+ to FTL (Stated as being able to move faster than the speed of light, but restricts himself not to do so due to his rule)

Cyborg:
Attack Potency: At most Large Mountain level (Harmed Steppenwolf with plasmablasts, contributed to separating the Mother Boxes, which also required sizeable effort from Superman) | At most Large Mountain level (Just as powerful as in the theatrical cut), higher with Technology Manipulation (Stated as having control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes)

General Zod:
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Fought with Superman and managed to briefly overpower him, but was ultimately overpowered and killed by him)

Faora-Ul:
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Was on a level similar to Zod. Put up a good fight against Superman)

Nam-Ek:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (As a genetically engineered Kryptonian / Rondor Beast hybrid, Nam-Ek should be stronger than regular Kryptonians such as Zod and Faora. He was also considered a superhuman back on Krypton. Overpowered Superman in their fight)

Doomsday:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (Started out as strong as a weakened Superman and kept getting stronger through its absorption powers. Reached its peak after absorbing the energy of a nuclear missile, which allowed him to devastate Striker Island, and was capable of fending off both a peak Superman and Wonder Woman at once with ease)

Ares:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level, likely far higher (Mortally wounded Zeus in single combat, who was able to casually separate the Mother Boxes. Comparable to heavy hitters such as Wonder Woman) | Building level+, likely far higher (After being wounded in his battle with Zeus, he grew far weaker from his original power, but was still capable of easily harming Pre-Awakening Wonder Woman) | At least Large Mountain level, likely far higher (In his prime, he drew blood from Uxas and forced him to retreat)

Zeus:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level, likely far higher (Defeated Ares and left him wounded and weakened for millennia. Separated the Mother Boxes with just one blast of his lightning bolt whereas Post Ressurection Superman struggled to separate them even when the Mother Boxes' link was weakened. Severely wounded Steppenwolf with a lightning bolt) | At least Large Mountain level, likely far higher (Harmed Uxas with a lightning bolt. Comparable to his son Ares, who drew blood from Uxas in battle)

Darkseid:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level, likely higher (Stated to be comparable to Doomsday as Uxas, and has since grown stronger. Heavily feared by Steppenwolf, who single-handedly overpowered most of the Justice League, yet would not dare challenge him despite having grown tired from being subservient. Easily killed Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the Knightmare timeline. Should be stronger than Superman), higher with his Staff

Steppenwolf:
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (Fought the entire Justice League head-on. Capable of defeating Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Should be comparable to Doomsday), higher with Electro-Axe | At least Large Mountain level (Just as powerful as in the theatrical cut) higher with Electro-Axe

Ocean Master:
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Can trade blows with Base form Aquaman and broke his trident. Caused worldwide tsunamis)

Mera:
Attack Potency: Likely Large Mountain level (As a member of the Atlantean royalty, she should be comparable to Aquaman before becoming the King of Atlantis. Defeated several Men of War soldiers, who overpowered Aquaman in a group, including general Murk. Managed to push back Steppenwolf with a water blast) | Likely Large Mountain level

Atlanna:
Attack Potency: Likely Large Mountain level (Should be comparable to her sons. Defeated several Men of War soldiers)

Nereus:
Attack Potency: Likely Large Mountain level (Should be comparable to Orm and superior to Mera)

World Engine:
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level to Large Mountain level (Was going to retransform Earth's atmospherics and topography into the new Krypton, attempting to penetrate its core and the tremendous force of the Kryptonian fumes harmed Superman. Obliterated a mountain upon impact and even tanked its own collision with the Earth)

Karathen:
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level with base attacks (Harmed Atlanna and Aquaman. Stated to be the most powerful creature on Earth), Large Island level while charging with its full body (Dug from Earth's core to the bottom of the sea)

If I'm missing out on anything or if you can suggest better wording, do let me know.
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If everyone is ok with this, then I'll add it.
 
Ok, so I looked back at some of the scenes of Flash in the Snyder Cut, he doesn't seem to have any feats that imply that he is High 7-A, should I just make "At least 9-A, far higher while charging at full speed"?
 
RanaProGamer said:
Ok, so I looked back at some of the scenes of Flash in the Snyder Cut, he doesn't seem to have any feats that imply that he is High 7-A, should I just make "At least 9-A, far higher while charging at full speed"?
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Well he could somewhat harm aquaman without much effort at speeds much slower than his best ftl....
 
RanaProGamer said:
I don't remember that, can you send the link for the feat?
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Can't find a clip that shows the aftermath of fight against superman but Flash after charging into aquaman accidentally from superman dodging puts him out of the fight and it's made into a little moment because he does put aquaman out of it for the remainder fight and Barry apologizes for it. That's why he's at most 7-A for being comparable enough to at least stagger/harm aquaman at his slower speeds.
 
with this showing the aftermath at the 4:00 mark, you can hear Aquaman's strained breathing after the fight as him and barry get their bearings after the impact so we know that in some capacity that Barry is comparable to the others that's why he's at most
 
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