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Name all of those things it can mean"laid waste" can mean a whole lot of things. The scans don`t show what happened to the planet so it can`t be calced
Talk about that in a later thread, this one is for extra keysDoesn't Superman no longer scale to the IMP's 4-B feat? Or does he scale to other 4-B characters who scale in full to the IMP?
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First priority is the Pre-Eradicator Key.Talk about that in a later thread, this one is for extra keys
Would the At peak Tier for Pre-Death be compatible with the staff notes regarding the intentional depowering of Superman for Post-Crisis?If it's difficult to determine you can just do what I did with Hawkman characters for Post-Flashpoint and do "At least TIER, possibly/at peak TIER"
Can you re link the staff notes for him being below planetary? And explain why that writer speaks for the entirety of DC comics?Would the At peak Tier for Pre-Death be compatible with the staff notes regarding the intentional depowering of Superman for Post-Crisis?
Can you re link the staff notes for him being below planetary? And explain why that writer speaks for the entirety of DC comics?
Why did we ditch Supes downscaling from it?Doesn't Superman no longer scale to the IMP's 4-B feat? Or does he scale to other 4-B characters who scale in full to the IMP?
IIRC, there is no scaling chain connecting to Superman from that feat.Why did we ditch Supes downscaling from it?
Zum is stated to be Superman level, no? Wouldn't that make Supes around his ballpark.IIRC, there is no scaling chain connecting to Superman from that feat.
Zum isn't 4-B RMP level.Zum is stated to be Superman level, no? Wouldn't that make Supes around his ballpark.
I mean, he survived it, albeit he got incapped, so wouldn't that qualify for downscaling.Zum isn't 4-B RMP level.
The 4-B force RMP wasn't used on Zum.I mean, he survived it, albeit he got incapped, so wouldn't that qualify for downscaling.
We give a similar rating for PC Thawne.
Huh... nvm thenThe 4-B force RMP wasn't used on Zum.
- JLA Vol 1 #3 March 1997
- The Flash Vol 2 #148 May 1999
The 4-B force RMP wasn't used on Zum.
- JLA Vol 1 #3 March 1997
- The Flash Vol 2 #148 May 1999
It isn't Real-Life Nova APAlso, I found some inconsistencies in the Starbreaker nova feat. Its possible to have large island level destructive capacity and large planet/star level attack potency, so him only producing large island level of damage isn't a limit to his AP. Destructive force of a nova could mean just AP of it, especially since that power is concentrated in a small area
From the current list of Superman's Pre-Death Calculations, Tier 6 limit seems to be consistent.If you believe that his large island feat is a limit to his AP, you must also accept that Superman is only large island level
I don't think the writers ever made a distinction in Lifting Strength and Attack Potency for general power. It's pretty straightforward.On the topic of the editor's note, 4-B at peak doesn't contradict being weaker than Pre-Crisis at all. Pre Crisis Superman is a 2-C to 2-A character here, that nerf would still be massive. As well as that, being a "Planet Juggler" is in reference to lifting strength, and juggling planets implies a level of ease for performing the feat.
You can have planetary punches without planetary liftingI don't think the writers ever made a distinction in Lifting Strength and Attack Potency for general power. It's pretty straightforward.
Moving the Earth, the length of 5 of its diameter in a second is 1.21E+40 Joules / High 5-A.
10 lengths at 4.8481747123552E+40 Joules / Low 4-C.
They don't intend to have Superman be at the above levels at the time.
I am not familiar with such a herald revision. I don't see how that would affect Pre-Death stuff.I heard from several sources that there may be a potential cosmic upgrade for DC heralds later. If that is true, would they affect these revisisons?
The entire point of the staff statement is to address general power concerns. I don't think they would mislead their readers with a Lifting Strength VS AP technicality.You can have planetary punches without planetary lifting
Not really? But basically, 4-B is definitely gonna go bye bye at some point, whether or not this will result in a downgrade or upgrade. But back the main topicI heard from several sources that there may be a potential cosmic upgrade for DC heralds later. If that is true, would they affect these revisisons?
I don't get how it would be misleading though. Like, yeah I think the statement about him being depowered is in reference to both AP and Lifting Strength, and the example is probably is supposed to mean that too, but I don't know why that means him not having Planetary LS = not having Planetary AP? Like, he can be vastly nerfed in both aspects but not to the same extent.The entire point of the staff statement is to address general power concerns. I don't think they would mislead their readers with a Lifting Strength VS AP technicality.
My bad, I should've clarified what I meant. I know it counts as an AP feat, but my point is we don't limit someone's AP off of a lifting strength feat, and plenty of characters have higher AP than LS.Moving planets is AP lol
The OP had been revised with labels regarding the feats that are Pre-Death SM's limits. I can repost them on their own if you like.I'm not very convinced on early Superman being 6-B and not 4-B though, sorry. I don't believe a list of anti-feats has been provided and without those I don't see reason to ignore the scaling to characters who scale to what is currently 4-B.