With help from
Azathoth, I have now understood the issue in its entirety.
There are problems with accepting Chaos' calc, namely:
- The time-frame is a blind assumption.
- Hence, the result could be anything, from an accurate value (unlikely), to extreme low-end, to extreme high-end (it's likely an extreme low-end).
- There is no justification as to why we're selecting a time-frame of 1-5 minutes, instead of any other random value.
- It requires believing that Piccolo meanders about without doing anything for 1-5 minutes, as Oozaru Gohan rampages freely.
- Accepting the calc would mess up DBZ Saiyan Saga speeds completely.
- Accepting the calc for AP, but not for Speed would also be illogical.
- Most importantly however, it might cause fans of other franchises to also request accepting calcs involving random time-frame assumptions, on the premise that we accepted Chaos' calc. That in itself would cause an endless amount of debating about the validity of aforementioned assumptions (for every such calc, at that), and bring into question the validity of every calc result.
That is not to say however, that the 17 second calc is perfect. It also has some ambiguities, namely:
- What was assumed in the calc to be debris could also very easily be stars (simply little white dots against the night sky), and the larger chunks which were assumed to have been thrown up by Piccolo's attack could also have been from Oozaru Gohan's hand in the previous panel.
- Another potential issue was the assumption that Oozaru Gohan would not begin to transform back until the moon was completely destroyed, and that it happened almost instantly, while others argued that he easily could have begun to revert as soon as the moon began to break apart and explode.
- Also, the blast speed would be an obvious outlier due to nothing else coming close to it for like another saga and a half.
In essence, both calcs have certain flaws, and accepting either of the two would result in us conceding as much. However, accepting Chaos' calc would be a green-light to accepting blind assumptions, which could be catastrophic in terms of the accuracy and credibility of calc results.
We cannot implement the 60-second calc due to the sheer irrationality and vagueness of the base premise (although it is perfectly accurate as a minimum low-end assumption).
As such, we will accept the time-frame of 17.84 seconds, while conceding the potential flaws of the calc (in the form of a note on the Verse page). It's not a perfect solution, but the 17 second calc, while based on some (valid) assumptions, yields discrete values on the basis of concrete principles, instead of values derived from principles marred by guess-work.
Two things which should be noted in particular, for accepting the 17-second calc:
- The first three assumptions (a.k.a. white dots being debris, the larger chunks being thrown up by Piccolo's attack and Oozaru Gohan's transformation reverting as soon as the soon as the moon began to break) are presumed to be true.
Also note that:
- The 4 second time-frame using cinematic time also suffers from the same problems as the 17 second calc, hence it will not be considered in place of the 17 second calc for either speed or AP.
The upgrades post accepting the 17 second calc are listed
here.
P.S.: To all members waiting for a verdict, I thank you for your patience.
P.P.S.: There is nothing else to be discussed in this thread, hence I will be closing it.
