DBS Revisions

[Golden_Void]

Gohan was actually going back and forth with the big Namekian from universe 6 until Piccolo shot both Namekians.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I'm certain Gohan is above SSB, but weaker than SSBKK . I also agree with Aeyu and Unite here.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Low 2-C Gohan seems way too iffy; he's never shown to be even close to Jiren or Toppo's level. Plus we wasn't overwhelming stronger the Universe 6 Namekians or Piccolo. Stronger than Pre-ToP SSB possibly, but Post-ToP SSB? No

 

[Golden_Void]

I doubt he's pre-TOP SSB anyway considering Goku was in the form all of 3 seconds until he went Kaioken and one-shot him

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I mean the Narrator flat-out stated they were both equal. in the episode they fought. I'm assuming he was referring to SSB, not Kaio-Ken .

 

[Golden_Void]

Nah, the narrator said "the father and son tested their strength, and accepted each other" in the episode they fought, 90.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Didn't the narrator state that ? It was on Gohan's page not too long ago... If it isn't still there ?

 

[Golden_Void]

Just looked for it, it was in the beginning of episode 91. That statement was layered over SSB Goku vs Gohan but I really don't think the narrator can make such a claim when Goku only fought in that form for less than 10 seconds and immediately one-shot Gohan with kaioken.

They did fight pretty damn evenly when Goku was a SS2 though :^)

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Off topic

The angels should get resistance to EE or Void manipulation

Whis and Vados were unaffected by destruction energy when Beerus and Champa were fighting

https://youtu.be/lj6VBZkI4eY?t=58

Edit: On top of that. Whis: "Zeno-oh sama and Great Priest sama have made their decision. If angered they might erase you on the spot" possible EE or VM for Grand Priest?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I disagree with resistance. Fighting for a few seconds that only caused minor effects before being stopped by Whis and Vados shouldn't be enough for resistance at all. Plus there's no evidence that destruction energy/erasure was being caused by their fight. Its too vague.

As for the latter, its possible but also likely talking about only Zen'o, who for the entire time was doing the erasing.

 

[The_Everlasting]

That's not Destruction energy. It doesn't even look like Hakai, nor is it activated the same way or have the same function (The floor should have outright disappeared if it was Hakai).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Gohan isn't on the same level of Super Saiyan Blue

>Super Saiyan Blue had to use Kaioken to beat him, and later he fought Dyspo and other people on that level such as Anizala.

Pick one.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

That too, ninjad by Ever

The table and floor are still there too, Goku even stepped on it and caused a break in the floor.

So yeah definitely not erasure at all.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Edit: On top of that. Whis: "Zeno-oh sama and Great Priest sama have made their decision. If angered they might erase you on the spot" possible EE or VM for Grand Priest?

Where is this said?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

EP 78. Right after GP leaves U7. Whis says zeno and Gps decision is made and they can erase goku, beerus on the spot Note: When they say "Zeno sama" they are meaning both present and future. Evident by universe 9 kaioshin when he was erased "Zeno sama" (looking at both of them) So this statement was for both Zenos AND Grand Priest. I don't see why "Possible void manipulation" would be out of the question for Grand Priest

Furtermore, Whis was erasing the tiles in Beerus' castle as well when training Goku and Vegeta and made them reappear.

 

[Dark649]

At least the other 2 points are unanimous. Can the changes for them be carried out?

Likely yes for the Gods abilities by Toppo. For the EOS SSB Vegeta no since it was just a fun spar and not a serious battle, we should wait for the movie or a new series for that. Laslty i disagree with the High 3-A scaling and angel resistancies, but neutral for the possibly void manipulation for the GP.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

bump

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Bumpp

 

[AKM sama]

Maybe I should invite other staff members too.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What is being argued currently?

 

[AKM sama]

Powerscaling about the second point is being argued but your opinion on the other 2 points will also be much appreciated.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The first other two are okay I guess.

Point number 2 I am iffy on. Leaning more towards no.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I am also iffy on Number 2. There is a bit of consistency to the method ( a bit... Not a lot ) . It would honestly only effect SSB-Level entities after the 2nd trigger of UIO and beyond. Hmm...

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

High 3-A would be consistant with the statement that Kefla's power is infinite, would it not?

 

[Dark649]

That statement is flowery language also Low 2-C Kefla said it, so no.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

I thought it was base Kefla who said that, although I'm fine with just treating it as a hyperbole.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We kind of have a little too many Dragon Ball Super threads open at once.

 

[Bombzilla]

^^^ this.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Should point 1 and 3 be added now to put those out of the way?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

It was definitely base Kefla who stated that Dark.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That doesn't change the fact that it's still flowery language/hyperbole.

 

[AKM sama]

We kind of have a little too many Dragon Ball Super threads open at once.

This thread is veeeeerry old. Guess we should get rid of points 1 and 3 now.

 

[Paleomario66]

@AKM sama: So are points 1 and 3 accepted?

 

[AKM sama]

Point 3 is unanimous.

And everyone except Dark agree with point 1.

 

[Dark649]

Point 1 and 3 has been applied, for Point 2 a new thread would be better.

 

[AKM sama]

Yea, that would be better. You can close this if you want.