DBS Half 2-C

[Ganasto]

Yeah so I found out from this that dbs top tiers excluding the angels and zeno are considered "Half 2-C". Can someone elaborate on what this means because a low 2-C character cant reach 2-C via multipliers, but this makes it sound like DBS top tiers can get to 2-C via a 2x multiplier

 

[Blahblah9755]

From what I’ve heard it’s because Beerus and Champa were each contributing half the power necessary for a shockwave that would have destroyed two universes at once. So they don’t have multipliers upscaling from low 2-C, but have divisors back scaling from baseline 2-C.
You technically can reach 2-C from low 2-C by multipliers, it’s just completely unquantifiable what multiplier would be needed, so we basically assume no low 2-C is close to 2-C unless it’s through back scaling.

 

[Ganasto]

From what I’ve heard it’s because Beerus and Champa were each contributing half the power necessary for a shockwave that would have destroyed two universes at once. So they don’t have multipliers upscaling from low 2-C, but have divisors back scaling from baseline 2-C.
You technically can reach 2-C from low 2-C by multipliers, it’s just completely unquantifiable what multiplier would be needed, so we basically assume no low 2-C is close to 2-C unless it’s through back scaling.

So you could divide 2-C in half but can't multiply Low 2-C by 2 to get 2-C even though multiplication is just the inverse, maybe i'm understanding wrong, but now I kind of think the feat is 2-C

 

[Blahblah9755]

Basically, it is possible to multiply power from low 2-C to 2-C and divide from 2-C to low 2-C, we just don’t know how much is necessary to close the gap. Because of this, we never assume a multiplier or chain from baseline low 2-C is enough to reach 2-C without concrete proof within the series, because it could just as easily be a 16x gap as a googolplexian times gap. Looking at it from the other end though, since we don’t know if the gap is finite or infinite, we take the assumption that results in the lower rating, which is that it’s finite, and therefore dividing by a finite amount places them in the high end of low 2-C rather than lower in 2-C.

 

[Ganasto]

Basically, it is possible to multiply power from low 2-C to 2-C and divide from 2-C to low 2-C, we just don’t know how much is necessary to close the gap. Because of this, we never assume a multiplier or chain from baseline low 2-C is enough to reach 2-C without concrete proof within the series, because it could just as easily be a 16x gap as a googolplexian times gap. Looking at it from the other end though, since we don’t know if the gap is finite or infinite, we take the assumption that results in the lower rating, which is that it’s finite, and therefore dividing by a finite amount places them in the high end of low 2-C rather than lower in 2-C.

Oh ok I get it now thanks for explaining

 

[Ganasto]

Basically, it is possible to multiply power from low 2-C to 2-C and divide from 2-C to low 2-C, we just don’t know how much is necessary to close the gap. Because of this, we never assume a multiplier or chain from baseline low 2-C is enough to reach 2-C without concrete proof within the series, because it could just as easily be a 16x gap as a googolplexian times gap. Looking at it from the other end though, since we don’t know if the gap is finite or infinite, we take the assumption that results in the lower rating, which is that it’s finite, and therefore dividing by a finite amount places them in the high end of low 2-C rather than lower in 2-C.

Actually since you technically can get to 2-C via multipliers, but the multiplier needed is unknown, if one could prove that for example UBW Jiren is 2x stronger than Beerus, would that make Jiren 2-C since Beerus is half 2-C?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Actually since you technically can get to 2-C via multipliers, but the multiplier needed is unknown, if one could prove that for example UBW Jiren is 2x stronger than Beerus, would that make Jiren 2-C since Beerus is half 2-C?

Yes, if we have proofs of jiren being 2x stronger, yes, which is the reason that Angels are 2-C, because they are 2x stronger than Beerus and Champa

 

[Ganasto]

Yes, if we have proofs of jiren being 2x stronger, yes, which is the reason that Angels are 2-C, because they are 2x stronger than Beerus and Champa

Alright ty

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Apparently, the DBS god tiers are not considered half 2-C anymore and instead "unquantifiably below 2-C", that's because they used were gonna use a combination attack to perform that feat and the multiplier page says about combination attacks "It should not be assumed that a combination attack performed by multiple characters has Attack Potency equal to the sum of the participating characters Attack Potency unless there is specific evidence for it.", which is imo bullshit, it should be the opposite and instead it should be assumed that a combination attack should scale to the sum of the participating characters unless proven otherwise, and this is also inconsistent since the angels are still rated 2-C for scaling above beerus and champa combined, as well as the feat was performed as a mere side effect of their fight so their total power should scale above this feat on it's own.