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DBH Another Simple CRT

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Theglassman12 said:
Yes, the entire point of Cronos’ existence is that time wasn’t a thing before he was born. Him being alive is what made time a thing in the Greek pantheon.
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completely different from Time Bird so idk why you keep being this up
1. Cronos: make time in GoW
2. Time Bird: An egg give birth to time, Time Bird also born from the same egg. A (the egg) = B (time), A (egg) = C (bird), B (time) = C (bird)
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Theglassman12 said:
Existence and nonexistence being a duality doesn’t automatically mean being outside of time would grant you nonduality
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Theglassman12 said:
You need to prove that such a duality is a thing in the verse
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bro, you contradicted yourself, you admitted existence and nonexistence is a duality, and you want to verse to prove it right after your first part, wut?

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mean being outside of time would grant you nonduality
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bro, if you existing outside of duality, for example 0 and 1, then you aren't 0 or 1, mean you are not a part of said duality
Nonduality and Transduality are states of being wherein an entity exists independently of, or qualitatively beyond, various dual systems
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that they’re able to exist above it
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i do not argue for transduality, i'm arguing for nonduality, exist above duality implying you transcend it, which i'm not even arguing for, why do you keep bringing this up??

Anyway, going to sleep now, midnight in my timezone
 
HDE is fine imo. You could say that Tokitoki is basically space-time in a bird form considering the same eggs that give birth to him also birth entire space-times. Nonduality is a borderline useless ass ability so idrc lmao
 
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Cronos didn’t just make time, his existence from birth was what caused time to exist in the first place, don’t twist my words.

That’s not what a contradiction is, me saying that those two being a duality doesn’t contradict my point that you have no proof that this correlates to the duality of nonexistence being unbounded by the individual. It being Nondual or Transdual doesn’t change my point that you’re not showing any evidence of this being a thing, can you provide evidence of such a duality existing in DBH instead of making assumptions?
 
Theglassman12 said:
Cronos didn’t just make time, his existence from birth was what caused time to exist in the first place, don’t twist my words.
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Please stop bringing up other verses that have 0 relevance ti the thread. As far as I know, Chronos embodying time is useless here because context differs. Harming chronos doesn't harm time, while harming Toki toki harms time itself and causes rifts in space time. Plus his eggs which births time, him being stated to be Time itself, being responsible for all dimensions etc...sounds pretty clear cut to me. We literally have a statement that says "That bird is time itself, yo". So uh...don't bring other verses.
Theglassman12 said:
That’s not what a contradiction is, me saying that those two being a duality doesn’t contradict my point that you have no proof that this correlates to the duality of nonexistence being unbounded by the individual. It being Nondual or Transdual doesn’t change my point that you’re not showing any evidence of this being a thing, can you provide evidence of such a duality existing in DBH instead of making assumptions?
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Excitence and non existen is a duality by default, it's literally A and not A. You don't need to prove that Fire burns, fire by definition burns. You don't need to prove Existence and Non Existence that they are a duality, by default they are a duality. They are the text book definition of a duality
 
Theglassman12 said:
you’re not showing any evidence of this being a thing, can you provide evidence of such a duality existing in DBH instead of making assumptions?
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While it is common sense that existence and non-existence are logical negations of each other, why does it need to be proven that they constitute a duality in the first place? Whether even something exists or does not exist indicates that the thing in question depends on the duality of existence and non-existence.

However, in case of contrary to the common sense, I think it will be necessary to prove that the concepts that we claim to be dual form a duality that is the logical negation of each other. If we continue from the example on the Nonduality page, it is a common sense that fire and water are not a duality, but if a fiction mentions that everything is made of fire or water and that something cannot be fire and not water at once, and that it cannot be water and not fire at once, fire and water would be a duality.
 
@TheGreatBanana the bird being time itself doesn’t really change the fact that it’s not explicitly a higher dimensional construct from it alone. By this logic are every time scrolls in DBH higher dimensional constructs just because it houses timelines and destroying them results in the timelines being destroyed? You need something more than what amounts to abstract existence.

What part of that refutes my point that nothing in the scans or explanation remotely mentioned Mechikabura or time power being Nondual by default? Literally nothing about this mentions that they exist independently from these dual concepts and are unbound by them. At best it just mentions that time bird is what created timelines, which happens when it’s born, and that alone doesn’t mean much with this.

@CodeCCLL Because a statement of predating time and mentioning how there’s nonexistence or existence isn’t enough in a verse to show nonduality in this site, especially with being Nondual in the first place as the whole point of it is that you’re outside the dual concepts of them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
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@CodeCCLL Because a statement of predating time and mentioning how there’s nonexistence or existence isn’t enough in a verse to show nonduality in this site, especially with being Nondual in the first place as the whole point of it is that you’re outside the dual concepts of them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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My answer to you was on a different subject, but whatever.

The actual extraordinary claim here is that what is called "time" also literally includes void that lacks the concept of time and space (of course, you may disagree with this). If this claim can be proven, then the character in question must be nondual unless proven otherwise.
 
It needs to be specified if said dual system exists in the verse and is being transcended for that to be nonduality. You need evidence for a high end ability.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
HDE seems fine, but wouldn't the Nonduality including Existence & Nonexistence just be NEP?
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Yeah, but I plan to add NEP later after Nondual get accepted, cause i want to do thing slowly, a reasonable sized revision will make people easy to see and evaluate ^^

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Missed Glassman comment cause my phone can't load the page properly
Theglassman12 said:
It needs to be specified if said dual system exists in the verse and is being transcended for that to be nonduality. You need evidence for a high end ability.
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1. I said many time over, i didn't argue for transcendent over duality which mean transdual, i arguing nonduality, bro what the hell?

2. Nonexistence and Existence by default is a duality, a logical negation, A and non-A
dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire. The duality of existence would be existence and not existence, or, alternately, existence and nonexistence or existence and void
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From the nonduality page itself, so literally, you are arguing against the page itself
 
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Arguing which pat of the ability is irrelevant to this topic because you lack any evidence that such a duality is a thing in Dragon ball that they're being unbounded by. Literally all you've done is just show things that exist and things that don't exist, but you're not showing anything that dual concepts exists in DBH and the characters being unbounded. The more and more you're nitpicking on my choice of words and not actually show anything that remotely implies dualities to be a common thing in DBH the less I'm inclined to agree with you, so I'm still disagreeing unless you can show evidence of such a thing in verse.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Arguing which pat of the ability is irrelevant to this topic because you lack any evidence that such a duality is a thing in Dragon ball
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I literally show you that existence and nonexistence is, by default, a duality, why it is need to be mentioned in the verse when it is literally by default to be a duality. Why everything need to be mentioned??

Theglassman12 said:
that they're being unbounded by
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You said i'm nitpicking word when you are literally doing the same thing bro, you are nondual as long as you isn't a part of a duality system, for example, 0 and 1 is a dual system, then not being 0 or 1 is nonduality or being simultaneously 0 and 1 also is nonduality, as long as you are not 0 or not 1 then you are nonduality, since being either 0 or 1 mean you are participating within the dual system, being a part of it. You don't need to always namedrop A or B to get something.

About why the suppose characters get nonduality you can see my argument in my OP

Theglassman12 said:
Literally all you've done is just show things that exist and things that don't exist, but you're not showing anything that dual concepts exists in DBH and the characters being unbounded
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Duality do not need to be conceptual, what the hell bro??
Nonduality and Transduality are states of being wherein an entity exists independently of, or qualitatively beyond, various dual systems, ranging from specific, limited sets of dual distinctions to duality itself on a conceptual level
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From the page itself

Theglassman12 said:
The more and more you're nitpicking on my choice of words and not actually show anything that remotely implies dualities to be a common thing in DBH the less I'm inclined to agree with you, so I'm still disagreeing unless you can show evidence of such a thing in verse
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Well, i already listed you as disagreement

Wait, you are not yet vote on Limited Dimensional Manipulation
 
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To get an ability as out of left field as nonduality you need the dualities to be established as a thing in the verse, without such a thing you're going off of assumptions with no evidence to substantiate such a thing, and all the scans you've posted don't mention anything like this, it's just the same scans you've been using in the past several CRTs you tried to push for high end abilities.
 
Theglassman12 said:
To get an ability as out of left field as nonduality you need the dualities to be established as a thing in the verse, without such a thing you're going off of assumptions with no evidence to substantiate such a thing, and all the scans you've posted don't mention anything like this, it's just the same scans you've been using in the past several CRTs you tried to push for high end abilities.
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..............., sigh..., can't change your mind then, well i already presented my arguments, scans, according to the standard itself. We are dealing with powerscaling anyway, assumption and interpretation is always a part of it. In my OP i already presented scans show what is nonexistent, and i don't think we really need to prove something that is existing, even you agreed with it, that i show what existing and what don't exist or nonexistent, so based on standard, which by default existence and nonexistence is a duality, i argued based on standard itself

Well regardless, thank you for participating in my CRT

Anyway, i will just applying HDE since it got enough votes. Other abilities i will wait then, if no one have problem with this. I also updated the vote tally, if anything is wrong then please tell me
 
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