DBH Another Simple CRT

[Vietthai96]

Hello it is me again, with another DBH CRT, and i lost my ability to name CRT lol, anyway to the matter at hand

1. Higher-Dimensional Existence
Continue from the previous thread, anyway Tokitoki, or Time Bird in general, which was accepted in that thread to be Time itself, with Time also being space-time, timeline, history, thus Tokitoki or Time Bird in general should get HDE due to being timeline, space-time itself. Furthermore, Tokitoki or Time Bird was born from egg, this same egg give birth to time, timeline, so obviously also mean Time Bird is also timeline

But the bird is bird size, not even as big as universe?, probably someone will say this so:

1. You don't need Large Size to be HDE, HDE mean you possesses more than 3 dimensional axes, so you could be 23423433D and is small as building and it still HE due to possesses that many amount of dimensions, in fact, we even have this in real life theoretical physics
2. Even in verse we have example to debunk this, such as Universe Tree's fruit which is actual space-time universe, outside it look like a fruit as small as a normal human hand, but inside it is actual universal sized. So Tokitoki being HDE but is bird sized is completely fine

2. Nonduality
Well in this thread it was mentioned and likely indirectly get accepted, but anyway i will mention again that is

Time itself is history, space-time, timeline and also dimension. History/Timeline contains and encompasses both physical, existent dimensions such as multiple Universes/Macrocosms; and nonexistent dimensions which is the World of Void, a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space; and the <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space, thus Time itself encompasses both existence and nonexistence

Again existence and nonexistence is by default a duality, encompassing both existence and nonexistence mean Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence]). As proven above, Time encompassing both existence and nonexistence mean Time is Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence])

This mean anyone who merge with timeline, being timeline, will get this ability, which is Infinite Zamasu (Game) who have nonexistent profile lol, TPU Mechikabura and Time Bird

• As per @DontTalkDT nonduality revision, Nonduality inherently give nothing unless the verse specific what it give so pretty much this Nonduality is just decorative ability, which still look cool on the profile anyway, at best it give resistance to EE and NEP EE because
  1. Power of Destruction couldn't EE Zamasu, even when he became IZ, of course in game verse, at least in XV, IZ became one with timeline, and DBH Power of Destruction can EE timeline
  2. Time Bird resists their own Time Power which of course can EE stuffs

Update: After looking back, yeah my argument for nondual timeline is wrong as hell, however it doesn't change the fact that Timeline encompasses both existence and nonexistence. And furthermore

1. Time Energy and Time Bird still predate Time, as they was responsible for it, thus in context it mean everything was one singular within Time Energy and since they predate time which is both existence and nonexistence, they exist in a state that wasn't both thus Time Bird and Time Power get Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence])
2. TPU Mechikabura sucked everything into himself, or sucked Time which is both existence and nonexistence into himself, which mean he became a singular existence that is both existence and nonexistence, as he have said: All is within him. So he too get Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence])

3. Minor stuffs
Limited Dimensional Manipulation for Time Power cause it can control the timelines in many way, even its direction


This is everything, thank ahead everyone for participating ^^

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus LordGriffin1000 Reiner04 @CodeCCLL

• Higher-Dimensional Existence: ActuallySpaceMan42
• Limited Dimensional Manipulation: @Churchill

Neutral:

• Higher-Dimensional Existence: @Churchill
• Nonduality:
• Limited Dimensional Manipulation: Theglassman12 @CodeCCLL

Disagree: Theglassman12

• Nonduality: @Churchill

 

[Killerdrone123]

Disagree cause no wanking

I Agree

 

[StarShooter80]

Upon light inspection on this content revision thread I have concluded that I am inclined to agreeing with the proposal at hand

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Yeah looks good!

 

[Hasty12345]

I concur, I'm on board, and fully support that idea, as it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[CodeCCLL]

2. Nonduality
Well in this thread it was mentioned and likely indirectly get accepted, but anyway i will mention again that is

Again existence and nonexistence is by default a duality, encompassing both existence and nonexistence mean Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence]). As proven above, Time encompassing both existence and nonexistence mean Time is Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence])

Encompass the duality of existence and non-existence (which is already an extraordinary claim that is difficult to prove in itself) has nothing to do with nonduality.

For Nonduality based on duality of existence and non-existence, you must neither exist nor non-exist in the first place.

 

[Vietthai96]

Encompass the duality of existence and non-existence (which is already an extraordinary claim that is difficult to prove in itself) has nothing to do with nonduality.

For Nonduality based on duality of existence and non-existence, you must neither exist nor non-exist in the first place.

Can you cite me that where that standard come from?

In fact, if you existing in a state where you are both existence and nonexistence, then you are neither existence nor nonexistence

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

Just as the previous topic was accepted, this one should also be accepted without any major problems.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Can you cited me that where that standard come from?

For example, taking 0 and 1, the two possible states of binary systems, as a duality, a nondual character's state of being could be between 0 and 1, being both or neither at once, being another number besides these, or be indescribable through numbers.

if you existing in a state where you are both existence and nonexistence, then you are neither existence nor nonexistence

You're missing the "at once" part.
Your case, time is not both 1 and 0 at once. It just encompass both.

 

[Vietthai96]

need to sleep soon cause midnight in my timezone

You're missing the "at once" part.
Your case, time is not both 1 and 0 at once. It just encompass both.

I think this is again a case of arguing via sematic, since pretty much if you existence encompassing both duality, mean you are existing in a logical contradiction state where you are both, but well, even if we goes with your logic, for the sake of arguing, this only exclude Infinite Zamasu, since TPU Mechikabura literally absorbed and merged everything into one with himself so he is both at once, and Time Bird is literally all of time in that existence, and also predate, and can exist after existence and nonexistence

Unless of course, you want me to namedrop that "at once" then i can't say anything lol

 

[Churchill]

Agree with everything except for hde and non duality. Nondual beings aren't part of a duality, they won't be existence and/or nonexistence but neither existence nor non existence. I also don't see such an ability in the verse' setting nor do I see resistances via that physiology emanating from it. So for that and as per Code's reasons, I disagree.

Kinda neutral on hde though.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I think this is again a case of arguing via sematic, since pretty much if you existence encompassing both duality, mean you are existing in a logical contradiction state where you are both

I don't think you understand me.

There is a reality “A” and this reality “A” is composed of 1 and 0, that is, existence and non-existence. So is reality “A” nondual according to you? Is there an obstacle that prevents the existent parts of this reality “A” from being erased by void manipulation or the non-existent parts from being turn into existence? I would answer no. In that case, is reality “A” really independent of this duality? In my opinion, no.

Reality "A" would only have a truly paradoxical existence and nonduality if it were both 1 and 0 at once and if Reality "A" actually acted as if it didn't exist in response to being erased by void manipulation, and as if it already existed in response to being turn into existence, that would already be NEP Nature Type 3 and useful Nonduality.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright from a glance.

 

[AwkguyDB]

agreed

 

[GodSinBad2280]

Agree

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I agree with this CRT.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I think the only thing bugging me about HDE is it stating that when it nears the end of it's lifespan, it lays another egg so a new time bird is born but that would mean it loses its HDE because it's suppose to be the timeline, no? Since it's accepted on it's profile that not only harming it will distort space-time but it's death will cause the destruction of the multiverse. I'm not disagreeing with HDE though, I think it's fine. I was just wondering if it loses it when it's lifespan is up.

I can't comment on Nonduality at the moment given it's something I have no knowledge on and it's requirements have been wonky from what I can tell. It's one of those powers if you know what I mean.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't think you understand me.

There is a reality “A” and this reality “A” is composed of 1 and 0, that is, existence and non-existence. So is reality “A” nondual according to you? Is there an obstacle that prevents the existent parts of this reality “A” from being erased by void manipulation or the non-existent parts from being turn into existence? I would answer no. In that case, is reality “A” really independent of this duality? In my opinion, no.

Reality "A" would only have a truly paradoxical existence and nonduality if it were both 1 and 0 at once and if Reality "A" actually acted as if it didn't exist in response to being erased by void manipulation, and as if it already existed in response to being turn into existence, that would already be NEP Nature Type 3 and useful Nonduality.

Anyway i updated my OP and yeah, my argument for timeline being nondual is dumb, so i removed it, but i still argue for Time Bird and TPU Mechikabura to get the ability, which you can see in my updated OP

I think the only thing bugging me about HDE is it stating that when it nears the end of it's lifespan, it lays another egg so a new time bird is born but that would mean it loses its HDE because it's suppose to be the timeline, no? Since it's accepted on it's profile that not only harming it will distort space-time but it's death will cause the destruction of the multiverse. I'm not disagreeing with HDE though, I think it's fine. I was just wondering if it loses it when it's lifespan is up.

The thing about the bird's death is not some kind of natural death, as a cycle Tokitoki just spawn an egg, then just disappear, the egg just make another Tokitoki, kinda like the bird went through a cycle, bird to egg, then to bird, then to egg, and go on. Kinda it is a wonky lore that create a cycle so they can reappointing new Supreme Kai of Time through each cycle like that, by going through a trial which is properly raising the bird

Also, the Time Bird is Time Energy anyway, which is within the egg, so you could simply understand this process as Time Bird > Time Energy > Time Bird and go, the bird do not really die, it just go back to its energy state then shift into bird, then back to energy state, and go on. You can see explanation in this album, kinda he just shift his state

I can't comment on Nonduality at the moment given it's something I have no knowledge on and it's requirements have been wonky from what I can tell. It's one of those powers if you know what I mean.

Understandable, thank you for spending your time on my CRT ^^

 

[CodeCCLL]

but i still argue for Time Bird and TPU Mechikabura to get the ability, which you can see in my updated OP

Isn't there another void in the verse other than the World of Void? Also, is the Void World really a part of Multiverse right?

 

[Vietthai96]

Isn't there another void in the verse other than the World of Void? Also, is the Void World really a part of Multiverse right?

it is a part of the hypertimeline, yes, the other is the Subspace

 

[TheGreatBanana]

After looking through everything, I agree..well with everything.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Since already ım here...

TPU Mechikabura sucked everything into himself, or sucked Time which is both existence and nonexistence into himself, which mean he became a singular existence that is both existence and nonexistence, as he have said: All is within him. So he too get Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence])

Time Energy and Time Bird still predate Time, as they was responsible for it, thus in context it mean everything was one singular within Time Energy and since they predate time which is both existence and nonexistence, they exist in a state that wasn't both thus Time Bird and Time Power get Nonduality (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence]

I think I agree.

Higher-Dimensional Existence
Continue from the previous thread, anyway Tokitoki, or Time Bird in general, which was accepted in that thread to be Time itself, with Time also being space-time, timeline, history, thus Tokitoki or Time Bird in general should get HDE due to being timeline, space-time itself. Furthermore, Tokitoki or Time Bird was born from egg, this same egg give birth to time, timeline, so obviously also mean Time Bird is also timeline

So to me at first glance it seems more likely that Timebird is the concept itself, but if this has been debunked before then just HDE is good.

3. Minor stuffs
Limited Dimensional Manipulation for Time Power cause it can control the timelines in many way, even its direction

No specific scans?

 

[Vietthai96]

No specific scans?

I'm lazy, it is on the page itself bruhh

Edit:

Space-Time Manipulation (Having Time Power grants the user power to rule over 「Time」, which in turn has the power to rule over all space-times, timelines, histories, dimensions and control the multiverse itself, allowing its users to manipulate space-time, timeline, history & dimensions in multiple ways, freezing/suspending/stopping, accelerating to reverting, reducing and erasing time itself. Can reduce the time of the entire multiverse to the point of zero, create time, manipulate the flow of time, or accelerating and decelerating time with special techniques/traps. Can manipulate how time affects everything. Can utilize many space-time techniques, such as freeze space-time to suspend someone, erase/destroy timeline, etc....)

is stated to be directional manipulation of time and space

here

So to me at first glance it seems more likely that Timebird is the concept itself

Well, it should, but was removed, yes

 

[Killerdrone123]

Bump

 

[TheNothing84]

Very well
seem look fine
I agree with everything

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Bump

 

[TheNothing84]

I think the only thing bugging me about HDE is it stating that when it nears the end of it's lifespan, it lays another egg so a new time bird is born but that would mean it loses its HDE because it's suppose to be the timeline, no? Since it's accepted on it's profile that not only harming it will distort space-time but it's death will cause the destruction of the multiverse. I'm not disagreeing with HDE though, I think it's fine. I was just wondering if it loses it when it's lifespan is up.

I can't comment on Nonduality at the moment given it's something I have no knowledge on and it's requirements have been wonky from what I can tell. It's one of those powers if you know what I mean.

Looks alright from a glance.

Could you tag/call more mods, plaese?

 

[Vietthai96]

Could you tag/call more mods, plaese?

Already asked mods, so if they didn't come then they are not interest in the thread, so i think tag them isn't gonna solve the problem

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Bump

 

[RenderGK]

looks fine

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Bump

 

[Braking]

Agree with everything! Neutral for Dimensional manipulation though .

 

[AwkguyDB]

Agree with it I see what you mean by why the last argument didn’t work now

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Bump

 

[Killerdrone123]

Bump

 

[Theglassman12]

I’m not really seeing HDE with Tokitoki birthing a timeline. This feels more like just abstract existence when he’s the one giving birth to time. Looks no different than Cronos from God of War giving birth to time with his existence and he’s merely a Titan and not a higher dimensional being.

What part of time predating stuff has to do with nonduality? Like nothing there mentions anything about any dualities, let alone transcending them in some way.

 

[Vietthai96]

I’m not really seeing HDE with Tokitoki birthing a timeline. This feels more like just abstract existence when he’s the one giving birth to time

Tokitoki or Time Bird was born from egg, this same egg give birth to time, timeline, so obviously also mean Time Bird is also timeline

I think i didn't need to explain, he born from egg which birth timeline, so he also is timeline, A=B, B=C so A=C

Looks no different than Cronos from God of War giving birth to time with his existence and he’s merely a Titan and not a higher dimensional being.

What Cronos from GoW have anything to do with this?, and why does it matter?

What part of time predating stuff has to do with nonduality? Like nothing there mentions anything about any dualities, let alone transcending them in some way.

1. i don't argue transcending??, nonduality isn't transduality, bro what are talking about?
2. why it need to be mention dualities???, existence and nonexistence by default is a duality
3. if you predating a duality, mean you are not existing within said duality

 

[Theglassman12]

They both give birth to time itself, and they’re not literally higher dimensional beings given one’s a normal bird that trunks can hold and the other is just a titan. The comparisons are fair here.

You need to mention dualities being a part of something in order for Nondual to be there in the first place. You have to lack or transcend dual natures for you to have Nonduality at all, without any implication of dualities being there you have nothing.

 

[Vietthai96]

They both give birth to time itself, and they’re not literally higher dimensional beings given one’s a normal bird that trunks can hold and the other is just a titan. The comparisons are fair here.

But the bird is bird size, not even as big as universe?, probably someone will say this so:

1. You don't need Large Size to be HDE, HDE mean you possesses more than 3 dimensional axes, so you could be 23423433D and is small as building and it still HE due to possesses that many amount of dimensions, in fact, we even have this in real life theoretical physics
2. Even in verse we have example to debunk this, such as Universe Tree's fruit which is actual space-time universe, outside it look like a fruit as small as a normal human hand, but inside it is actual universal sized. So Tokitoki being HDE but is bird sized is completely fine

Is Cronos from Titan have the same amount of evidences as Time Bird, also i don't remember you explicitly need a statement as "A is higher dimensional being"

You need to mention dualities being a part of something in order for Nondual to be there in the first place. You have to lack or transcend dual natures for you to have Nonduality at all, without any implication of dualities being there you have nothing.

From Nonduality page

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire. The duality of existence would be existence and not existence, or, alternately, existence and nonexistence or existence and void

By default, existence and nonexistence is a duality, unless the verse disprove this, because duality referring to logical negation, like what the page itself said, A and Non-A, where in this case A is existence, so non-A is nonexistence

 

[Theglassman12]

Yes, the entire point of Cronos’ existence is that time wasn’t a thing before he was born. Him being alive is what made time a thing in the Greek pantheon.

Existence and nonexistence being a duality doesn’t automatically mean being outside of time would grant you nonduality. Thats a massive leap in logic. You need to prove that such a duality is a thing in the verse and that they’re able to exist above it.