Dandadan speeds (particle beams)

[The_real_cal_howard]

Long story short, the Serpo lasers are stated to be particle beams by the only good one, in which case funni haha near light speed. This would also be the case for the Space Globalists due to the fact that they appropriated all of Serpo’s tech.

If y'all could help a brother out and find laser dodging feats for an upgrade, would be much appreciated. Since y'all know I’m only here once in a blue nowadays lol

 

[Newendigo]

Uh, where is this stated

 

[Keeweed]

Ooh, Cal making a crt love to see it. Maybe you made one recently but it’s been a bit since I’ve seen one.
However, won’t this be a massive outlier since Turbo Grammy specifically starts to kill Okarun for moving at 100 km/hr and that’s in short burst so it would be the combat speed. Granted maybe won’t be an outlier for the attack speed.

There is even an entire panel dedicated to saying 100 km/hr is Grammy’s maximum speed multiple times.

 

[Dalesean027]

Nah I'm also of the mind that the combat speed should be seperated as the 100kmh was TGs travel speed and they've got numerous combat and burst feats much farther above that level

Slightly off topic but all the stats ap and dura in general need adjustment the profiles aren't the best atm

 

[Keeweed]

I think the manga is making it clear 100 km/hr is her overall speed but if the manga contradicts that with more than one or two feats then combat speed would be good to upgrade.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Uh, where is this stated

Gotchu fam

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I think the manga is making it clear 100 km/hr is her overall speed but if the manga contradicts that with more than one or two feats then combat speed would be good to upgrade.

To add to this, the entire training arc revolves around learning to dodge sound waves and junk

 

[Keeweed]

To add to this, the entire training arc revolves around learning to dodge sound waves and junk

What is with speedster writers always writing the number down as moronically slow than giving them feats that innately hilariously faster.

 

[Newendigo]

The training arc is not about that, its about Okarun learning how to add moves in a beats, and does it by avoid tune-theme explosives, not the soundwave in question.

 

[Newendigo]

Gotchu fam

This is actually technology from Luddies, since Serpo's body is mostly comprime of it by now.

And Luddies technology (Along with the Luddies himself) is extremely rare to find, so I doubt the globablist would have it.

 

[Saqphire]

Yeah I'm definitely under the impression that Okarun's combat speed and TG's travel speed should not correlate, we don't debunk Z Goku's combat speed cause of his hypersonic flight speed for a reason, you can argue Okarun's blitz feat on the sumo alien was already at subsonic which is way faster than 100km/h.

Hell, I don't even think TG and Okarun's travel speeds are the same even though one is cursed by the other, they only specify that specific TG's travel speed and never Okarun's, and Okarun himself even debunks the notion that their speeds are the same via the electricity line statements implying such.

This said, I think I need more compelling arguments for the particle beams being lightspeed, so I'm neutral on the CRT but disagree on the 100KM debunk

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The training arc is not about that, its about Okarun learning how to add moves in a beats, and does it by avoid tune-theme explosives, not the soundwave in question.

Ain’t explosions still faster than 100 km/h tho

 

[Dalesean027]

This said, I think I need more compelling arguments for the particle beams being lightspeed,

Partcile beams irl are near lightspeed but not lightspeed technically as they are like 99.99% SoL

The training arc is not about that, its about Okarun learning how to add moves in a beats, and does it by avoid tune-theme explosives, not the soundwave in question.

Explosions would still be hypersonic~ ranges to dodge from close but I can go reread it rq

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also I’m pretty sure Rokuro’s repair only returned him to what he originally was, as it’s based on mind shaping. So it would just be shapeshifting into the normal Serpo. Ntm he doesn’t have a lot of it to begin with, so it’s probably just his basic stuff

 

[Newendigo]

It depends of the explosive

Detonations involve shock waves moving about or in exceed the speed of sound.

Deflagrations are shockwaves that are under subsonic speeds.

 

[Newendigo]

This said, I think I need more compelling arguments for the particle beams being lightspeed, so I'm neutral on the CRT but disagree on the 100KM debunk

I personally think we need a new guide line of standards for Particle Beam related feats, similar to lightning and laser related feats.

Since particle accelation, projection and collision are whole slew of sciences and technologies that are kinda of misinterpreted by fiction authors aswell.

But is besides the topic.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It depends of the explosive

Detonations involve shock waves moving about or in exceed the speed of sound.

Deflagrations are shockwaves that are under subsonic speeds.

The point being that it would be above the perceived cap of 100 km/h regardless of if they’re dodging the sound waves or explosions

 

[Keeweed]

I personally think we need a new guide line of standards for Particle Beam related feats, similar to lightning and laser related feats.

Since particle accelation, projection and collision are whole slew of sciences and technologies that are kinda of misinterpreted by fiction authors aswell.

But is besides the topic.

Honestly that’s been on my mind a while too. It’s an accelerator, it doesn’t need to have a set speed especially since ours takes multiple building sized complexes to get a single atom to move as fast as we can get it.

 

[Dalesean027]

Honestly that’s been on my mind a while too. It’s an accelerator, it doesn’t need to have a set speed especially since ours takes multiple building sized complexes to get a single atom to move as fast as we can get it.

This doesn't necessarily work apply when talking about future alien technologies trying to limit it to what we can accomplish in the modern day irl

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Honestly that’s been on my mind a while too. It’s an accelerator, it doesn’t need to have a set speed especially since ours takes multiple building sized complexes to get a single atom to move as fast as we can get it.

Ehhhh the difference is that particular beams have a set definition. Being called light isn’t enough cause a lot of things can look like light. Same with lightning. If you google particle beam, it’s gonna be an objective meaning.
I don’t fully disagree with your point, but it is a rebuttal

 

[Newendigo]

Also I’m pretty sure Rokuro’s repair only returned him to what he originally was, as it’s based on mind shaping. So it would just be shapeshifting into the normal Serpo. Ntm he doesn’t have a lot of it to begin with, so it’s probably just his basic stuff

This is evidently not true, we know what the Serpo's have with their human and alien form, that is their Six Sensory Organ for telekinesis, and a phallic apparatus to suminist various substances, they generally dont have these particle weapons

 

[Keeweed]

What I meant is particular acceleration can go up to any speed up to near light speed. And particle beams can be any speed. Both are equally described by any tech that accelerates particles and shoots them out as a beam. The speed part isn’t innate to the description.

 

[Dalesean027]

That's fine but I do think we're super hung up on the statement itself I mean let's just look at the actual properties of the beams themself to see if they qualify and regardless otherwise we also have many laser and missile dodging feats as well all which would be far above the 100kmh thing so they are consistently faster than that in combat and it should be relegated to only travel I think

 

[Keeweed]

Far enough for Dan, I just was musing in general for the particular part. That’s been on my mind for a while.

 

[Saqphire]

Partcile beams irl are near lightspeed but not lightspeed technically as they are like 99.99% SoL

You got the source for that? If so then yeah I can definitely agree to lightspeed (as 99.99% the speed of light is essentially that anyway) for Serpo's beam

 

[Newendigo]

This doesn't necessarily work apply when talking about future alien technologies trying to limit it to what we can accomplish in the modern day irl

There are many science fiction franchises that go over the many detail about the races, including the Sol based technology and the many reasons why they certain ways.

 

[Dalesean027]

There are many science fiction Franchise that go over the many details about used by the races, including the Sol based technology and the many reasons why they certain ways.

I'm very well aware, I was moreso speaking on the part about us today needing multibuilding sized accelerators and things of the like to accelerate particles to that speed. Basically saying we shouldn't judge something like firing off legit particle beams at said speeds by our real world standards for the structures we'd need to do so hence my saying we should focus on the beams properties instead

 

[Dalesean027]

You got the source for that? If so then yeah I can definitely agree to lightspeed (as 99.99% the speed of light is essentially that anyway) for Serpo's beam

CERN - LHC: Facts and figures

From CERN, a complete introduction to the world's largest particle physics laboratory

public-archive.web.cern.ch

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

This is evidently not true, we know what the Serpo's have with their human and alien form, that is their Six Sensory Organ for telekinesis, and a phallic apparatus to suminist various substances, they generally dont have these particle weapons

Eh, just cause they haven’t used em because X weapon is enough doesn’t mean it’s not there. We know what you mentioned they have but it’s never stated that’s all they have.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The main thing is helping a brother find scans of the main cast dodging Serpo/Globalist lasers. We can work out the specifics later.

 

[Dalesean027]

The main thing is helping a brother find scans of the main cast dodging Serpo/Globalist lasers. We can work out the specifics later.

Chapter 79 onwards

 

[Saqphire]

CERN - LHC: Facts and figures

From CERN, a complete introduction to the world's largest particle physics laboratory

public-archive.web.cern.ch

Appreciate it, count me as agree

 

[Newendigo]

Eh, just cause they haven’t used em because X weapon is enough doesn’t mean it’s not there. We know what you mentioned they have but it’s never stated that’s all they have.

Is what they show to have, and only time they have something like this is with third party technology from a super rare source. Its as simple as that.

 

[Agnaa]

I don't like this usage of particle beams, since particle beams inherently vary a LOT in the terms of the speeds of their particles.

The first working Cyclotron, built in 1931, brought Protons to an energy of 80 KeV. Doing some quick maths, I believe that involved accelerating them to ~36,000 m/s, close to 10,000x slower than the speed of light.

Since fundamentally, all "particle beam" means is "device that makes mass move quickly", they don't start being called that once they hit 99.99% SoL or something. I think assuming any speed is weird, and assuming a speed comparable to modern ginormous particle accelerators is very very weird.

 

[Keeweed]

Exactly what I was saying. We need tighter standards on particular beams.

 

[DMUA]

Look in CRT

Not a single image of whatever is being talked about to prove it's real and provide context

Cal...

 

[Agnaa]

DMUA: There is! Cal posted it above, but erroneously included the image inside a quote of one of Newen's posts. You'll find it in post 6.

 

[DMUA]

I don't like this usage of particle beams, since particle beams inherently vary a LOT in the terms of the speeds of their particles.

The first working Cyclotron, build in 1931, brought Protons to an energy of 80 KeV. Doing some quick maths, I believe that involved accelerating them to ~36,000 m/s, close to 10,000x slower than the speed of light.

Since fundamentally, all "particle beam" means is "device that makes mass move quickly", they don't start being called that once they hit 99.99% SoL or something. I think assuming any speed is weird, and assuming a speed comparable to modern ginormous particle accelerators is very very weird.

36,000 is still pretty high, even if not so compared to the speed of light

I get the idea but in this case (If it's ACTUALLY REAL, C A L) it'd still be worth looking into the proper low end to use that as the standard instead

 

[DMUA]

DMUA: There is! Cal posted it above, but erroneously included the image inside a quote of one of Newen's posts. You'll find it in post 6.

Abysmal and horrendous and far too late in a thread type founded on making a claim, which would need to be proven

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I don't like this usage of particle beams, since particle beams inherently vary a LOT in the terms of the speeds of their particles.

The first working Cyclotron, build in 1931, brought Protons to an energy of 80 KeV. Doing some quick maths, I believe that involved accelerating them to ~36,000 m/s, close to 10,000x slower than the speed of light.

Since fundamentally, all "particle beam" means is "device that makes mass move quickly", they don't start being called that once they hit 99.99% SoL or something. I think assuming any speed is weird, and assuming a speed comparable to modern ginormous particle accelerators is very very weird.

The link used for the first Cyclotron is broken, but I do have a different source on the scientific side.

Accelerating Oncology

How a machine used to create atom bombs became a tool for healing.

www.sciencehistory.org

“Their celebration was premature. The primate research, along with experiments from several international labs, showed that the Harvard cyclotron accelerated protons to half the speed of light”