D&D Batch Number 3435343242# (Allip, Dolphin, Dragonnel, Locathah)

[Tllmbrg]

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Allip is getting their entire tiering restructured, a bunch of new abilities and so on
Dolphin is getting a new key
Dragonnel is getting optional abilities, optional equipment, and range change
Locathah getting a new ability

Also, since I finally organized the Undead stuff for D&D better in the Allip, in general I will ask to alter the pages to include the stuff listed on it for the other undead where it works to just port it over

 

[Armorchompy]

The Dragonnel tabber is broken, rest seem good

 

[Tllmbrg]

The Dragonnel tabber is broken, rest seem good

Oh ffs, fixed

 

[Mr. Bambu]

• You have an Optional Abilities tab near the bottom of the Dragonnel page that is seemingly meant to describe their abilities in greater detail, but it just says "Acid Spit:", etc. The whole section is certainly unnecessary but if you're going to include it you should probably fix that.
• On the same creature, I will note that barding is technically available in all types for all creatures- but listing the most common sort (implicitly breastplate-equivalent armor) is fine, especially since armor doesn't do much in terms of the wiki's considerations anyways.
• It isn't part of the revision, seems to just be how the page was published, but I think the Martial Arts for Dolphins is extremely lightweight, even for D&D. Having an affinity for charging isn't really indicative of combat skill, it's something many real world animals have (rhinos, bulls, etc).
• On the fence about using the Horde of Allip thing as a creature. Neutral on the inclusion of that key. If it is included, I would prefer the tiering says something other than "Varies up to [Horde of Allip tier]", and instead something like "Collectively at least High 8-C, likely 8-B, possibly 8-A", since the whole thing is just "there's a shitload of them working in tandem".
• Allip also has typos, like "Hoards of Allips" rather than "Hordes of Allips".
• Resistance to Positive Energy would include Soul Manipulation, also for the Allip.

 

[Tllmbrg]

You have an Optional Abilities tab near the bottom of the Dragonnel page that is seemingly meant to describe their abilities in greater detail, but it just says "Acid Spit:", etc. The whole section is certainly unnecessary but if you're going to include it you should probably fix that.

Ngl I seemingly forgot just to write that, anyways fixed

It isn't part of the revision, seems to just be how the page was published, but I think the Martial Arts for Dolphins is extremely lightweight, even for D&D. Having an affinity for charging isn't really indicative of combat skill, it's something many real world animals have (rhinos, bulls, etc).

It has +4 to hit with the slams while having +2 to STR, so it has proficiency with tackles. We accepted weapon master for the Ettercup off a similar basis of 4e scans so (At least Qaw did, maybe he has a different opinion on this, but I think the same logic applies)

On the fence about using the Horde of Allip thing as a creature. Neutral on the inclusion of that key. If it is included, I would prefer the tiering says something other than "Varies up to [Horde of Allip tier]", and instead something like "Collectively at least High 8-C, likely 8-B, possibly 8-A", since the whole thing is just "there's a shitload of them working in tandem".

Well in the same magazine, the Allip horde is described as a singular entity in practice so I think it's a valid key. I'll change it to "collectively at least [Insert tier]"

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't think any creature in the game doesn't have proficiency with its attacks. The proficiency bonus is given purely by being that CR. Even a CR 0 has a +2.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I don't think any creature in the game doesn't have proficiency with its attacks. The proficiency bonus is given purely by being that CR. Even a CR 0 has a +2.

Yah but it's a listed attack, we wouldn't assume the proficiency applies to other creatures slam attack unless it's listed.
Not to mention dolphins in D&D have human intelligence (Heck they can become bloody priests lol)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yah but it's a listed attack, we wouldn't assume the proficiency applies to other creatures slam attack unless it's listed.
Not to mention dolphins in D&D have human intelligence (Heck they can become bloody priests lol)

??

Literally all animals are proficient with their given attacks. Untrained commoners are proficient with their clubs. It's a game mechanics thing, literally 0 creatures lack a proficiency bonus.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Literally all animals are proficient with their given attacks. Untrained commoners are proficient with their clubs. It's a game mechanics thing, literally 0 creatures lack a proficiency bonus.

Eh I do not care enough to argue over this more, I'll just remove the ability
Otherwise am I good to apply the CRT?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I mean, yeah, that but isn't even about the CRT lol. As long as the 48 hour rule has been observed, you can apply this.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Alright the CRT has been applied, this thread can be closed