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do you agreeThis doesn't address anything stated above. That'd simply be depiction. Anyway, just found something that my support the OP tho
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do you agreeThis doesn't address anything stated above. That'd simply be depiction. Anyway, just found something that my support the OP tho
What is the reason for joining it?Yeah this doesn't work. I agree with ByAsura.
You can put me on neutral. Saw two major counterarguments to the OP, which where the "infinite earths ≠ infinite universes" thing & Barry just disrupting the pulse, thereby closing the breach before he impacts the supposed Multiversal DC attack. I'll be addressing both, & hoping to convince, in which case it doesn't, then I'd be on a disagreedo you agree
Season 3 episode 22can you give me some evidence that you think is contradictory because it's certainly not a response to what I've presented
I totally agreeCW Flash 2A D.C
It is stated that the device we call the Magnetor has the capacity to destroy the entire multiverse as long as there is enough kinetic energy, and on VSBW, the multiverse is classified as Tier 2A.
The ''Race''
And now, let me explain how Flash scales from this. Before Flash gets into a fight with Hunter, Hunter lures him into a race to charge the Magnetor's energy. Despite knowing the risk, Flash participates in the race, creating rifts between multiverses and bringing in his "Time Remnant." This is the biggest proof that the rift between multiverses had begun. After Hunter takes this energy from Flash, he knocks him down and initiates the attack to destroy the entire multiverse, saying something like "See you later, multiverse." To stop this, Flash, even at the cost of his own life, spins around the Magnetor with his own Pulsar and successfully halts the attack.
Conclusion
I believe that, regardless of any AP, Flash's DC (destructive capacity) along with the Pulsar should be 2A.
Agree: @Shiedaisthepeak @Gorkyss (High 3-A)
Disagree:
Neutral:
Which is irrelevant in this scenario.Next, the "breach" argument. It's worth noting what we define attack potency as in the wiki, & it's distinction from destructive capacity.
He didn't counteract the Magnetar's pulse at that stage, he counteracted his counterpart and Zoom's energies that went into the Magnetar. Zoom's plan was to destroy the multiverse with the pulse, explicitly a 'single' pulse.He had to build his own pulse to counteract that of the Magnetar, just enough to shift it out of phase & close the breach. Said pulse of the Magnetar had the potency to destroy the multiverse.
The breach was simply an aid to transmit the energy inter-dimensionally.
You're misunderstanding my argument.Also, saying the pulse/energy wasn't "charged enough", would grossly make Zoom's, "bye bye multiverse" statement useless
Apart from the thoroughly outlined issues pointed out about the feat, Flash having infinite power contradicts virtually the entire series.What is the reason for joining it?
Ok, do you want to discuss this issue with me?Apart from the thoroughly outlined issues pointed out about the feat, Flash having infinite power contradicts virtually the entire series.
the accumulated energy is infinite let me explain to you like this in order to destroy something you have to be equal to it or stronger this is what you have appeared there "You can vaporize a city with enough energy to destroy a country but you can't destroy a city without enough energy to destroy it" you unintentionally supported my argument becauseWhich is irrelevant in this scenario.
AP is generated energy, destructive capacity is what specifically you can destroy. This means that AP can sometimes not scale to destructive capacity, but it doesn't work the other way round because that makes literally 0 sense. Like you can vaporize a city with enough energy to smite a country, but you can't destroy a city without enough energy to destroy a city.
Also, even if you want to apply this argument to discount all the AP anti-feats, there's still loads of DC anti-feats.
Not to mention the fact that this blatantly isn't DC. This was generated by energies, with a device that amplifies energy, and stopped in a similar manner by someone whose powers work by generating vast amounts of energy.
He didn't counteract the Magnetar's pulse at that stage, he counteracted his counterpart and Zoom's energies that went into the Magnetar. Zoom's plan was to destroy the multiverse with the pulse, explicitly a 'single' pulse.
You're misunderstanding my argument.
The argument is that the energy didn't undergo amplification, at which point the actual multiverse destroying pulse would've launched and replicated what Cisco saw in his visions.
Because he's stupidFirstly, the Magnetar is a power amplifier. If Zoom had this level of destructive capacity, why wouldn't he have just destroyed at least Earth-2 on his own?
How did you get accepted?Facts. Revision accepted.
Since there is an infinite multiverse, it must have an infinite energy to destroy the infinite multiverse. The accumulated energy destroys the infinite accumulated infinite energy. Actually, if there was a certain finite number of multiverses, for example 3, it would need an energy that could destroy 3 universes, but here it needs infinite energy. You cannot destroy something infinite with a finite power. This shows that the flash does not have a finite power.I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, sorry. Can you please rephrase this?
Cool, we agree there.Since there is an infinite multiverse, it must have an infinite energy to destroy the infinite multiverse.
This is where we disagree.The accumulated energy destroys the infinite accumulated infinite energy.
That's why they literally put the finite energy it into an amplifier to become infinite.You cannot destroy something infinite with a finite power.
Now let's agree from the beginning, even if it's not h3a, it should be scaled to at least 3A anywayCool, we agree there.
This is where we disagree.
Firstly, Barry's Time Remnant didn't accumulate any energy himself to the Magnetar. He made a separate pulse.
Secondly, it didn't affect the amplified energies, as that was explicitly a separate thing. It counteracted Barry and Zoom's non-infinite energies.
That's why they literally put the finite energy it into an amplifier to become infinite.
if they can't reach a common ground on this, the easiest way is because we have been arguing since the morning and now let's end itIf we're saying it can be 3-A (which I don't think is true, btw), a finite number, then the entire point is out the window because there's no orders of infinity involved.
I'm not going to bother with the rest, as I've gone over this a million times already. I'm just going to bed.