Cosmo (Chainsaw Man) vs Satoru Gojo

[Rasputin]

Forget power and speed in this battle, I just want to know which skill is most useful.
Unlimited Void or Halloween

 

[Ywacch]

Depends
With unlimited void, you can use it to counter another domain
With Halloween once you use it the target is permanently affected meanwhile infinite void doesn't permanently inflict the target with brain overload

 

[Razor]

Depends
With unlimited void, you can use it to counter another domain
With Halloween once you use it the target is permanently affected meanwhile infinite void doesn't permanently inflict the target with brain overload

The effect of overloading the brain isn't permanent but the brain damage is (given they stay there for a second or more)

 

[Ywacch]

The effect of overloading the brain isn't permanent but the brain damage is (given they stay there for a second or more)

For normal humans the effects are given enough time but for stronger beings like curses they can still function after leaving the domain

 

[Razor]

For normal humans the effects are given enough time but for stronger beings like curses they can still function after leaving the domain

Its effects aren't for humans only. And it depends on how long too, Gojo states he let Jogo get off the domain to interrogate him

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gojo is getting revisions at the moment though

 

[Razor]

OP states that its supposed to be which is the better ability. First off this should probably be moved to fun and games second what does Halloween do?

 

[Ywacch]

OP states that its supposed to be which is the better ability. First off this should probably be moved to fun and games second what does Halloween do?

Halloween causes the target to gain a total understanding of everything in the universe leaving the target in a semi-catatonic state such that the only thing they can say or think of is the word "holloween" until they die

 

[Razor]

Halloween causes the target to gain a total understanding of everything in the universe leaving the target in a semi-catatonic state such that the only thing they can say or think of is the word "holloween" until they die

That just sounds like Infinite void 2.0, Is there a range to it? Is there a limit on how much people can affect? Or any limitations?

 

[Ywacch]

That just sounds like Infinite void 2.0, Is there a range to it? Is there a limit on how much people can affect? Or any limitations?

it was only used once on one person so it's unknown how many people it can affect also Cosmo wasn't far from Santa when she used it. Not sure of any limitations. Santa has an ability that allows her to turn people into dolls (think of them as transfigured humans) any damage she takes is transferred to a random doll and she has dolls all over the world. prior to the halloween Santa told Cosmo that any attack would be like "trying to dye the ocean red with a single drop of blood" but the damage transfer just made her and all her dolls get equally hit with the ability

 

[Razor]

it was only used once on one person so it's unknown how many people it can affect also Cosmo wasn't far from Santa when she used it. Not sure of any limitations. Santa has an ability that allows her to turn people into dolls (think of them as transfigured humans) any damage she takes is transferred to a random doll and she has dolls all over the world. prior to the halloween Santa told Cosmo that any attack would be like "trying to dye the ocean red with a single drop of blood" but the damage transfer just made her and all her dolls get equally hit with the ability

Sounds like Infinity outclasses then? It can affect multiple people and it expanded into the entirety of shibuya in 0.2 seconds.

 

[Ywacch]

Sounds like Infinity outclasses then? It can affect multiple people and it expanded into the entirety of shibuya in 0.2 seconds.

I mean a case can be made for halloween being able to affect multiple people as santa tried to transfer the damage which worked but her and her dolls all got equally affected

 

[Razor]

I mean a case can be made for halloween being able to affect multiple people as santa tried to transfer the damage which worked but her and her dolls all got equally affected

That just sounds like the result of santa's ability instead of cosmo's

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The JJK is having a revision. So it is better to wait

 

[Ywacch]

That just sounds like the result of santa's ability instead of cosmo's

 

[Epiccheev]

I tried making her profile and added some scans on how it works.
All im missing is a good image.

 

[DeathNoodles]

This should be in the "Fun and Games" thread, not in the "Versus Threads" since this isn't even about the two characters battling each other by this point.

Anyways, as a user who has read all of current chapters of the Chainsaw Man manga, I can confidently say that Cosmo's ability is completely inferior to Gojo's in every way.

Firstly, it is Cosmo's ability to force the target to understand "everything in the universe" is completely vague and means very little to what the potency of her Mind Manipulation means. While the universe itself could be considered as infinite in a sense in real life, as the expansion of space in the Universe is Infinite, all the matter and energy within the universe is still finite as the Universe doesn't actually get any "larger" (so all the matter and energy still remains at a finite amount if I recall correctly). Cosmo's ability doesn't make the target understand the entire Universe, it only makes the target understand everything inside the universe, as shown by the keyword "in". It also doesn't help that there are literally no mentions of any of the contents of the books in Cosmo's library or that the number of the books are infinite itself to compensate. Basically, this means that Cosmo's Mind Manipulation is finite, unlike Gojo's Unlimited Void where it was stated in both the manga, fan books and other scans to be "infinite" multiple times. And Infinite > Finite.

Secondly, Cosmo has no feats of affecting multiple targets with her ability. Cosmo has only ever shown to affect one target at a time with her ability, and so at best, her Mind Manipulation can only be considered as "one volume of mind" in terms of Mind Manipulation potency by this site's standards. Unlike Cosmo, Gojo's Unlimited Void was able to affect all the transfigured humans present in the Shibuya, and it was made clear that if it weren't for Gojo deliberately restricting his Domain Expansion to just "0.2 seconds", his Domain Expansion would've very well killed any ordinary humans with enough time and has several scans consistently stating that there are infinite information uploaded to the victims' minds (Gojo stating that 0.2 seconds being 2 months of rehabilitation for any normal person once they're free are also likely guesswork, so without intentionally restricting his Domain Expansion to just 0.2 seconds, his Domain Expansion likely would've actually uploaded infinite information to the victims' minds). So Gojo not only has scans suggesting that the potency behind his mind-affecting ability from his Domain Expansion is infinite, but that he also has a feat of affecting large amounts of minds as well. So Mind Manipulation that can affect multiple minds > Mind Manipulation that has affect one mind.

Thirdly, Gojo's Unlimited Void has far better range than Cosmo's ability. I mean, Gojo's Domain Expansion literally affected everyone present in Shibuya, while Cosmo's ability has only affected a victim (such as Santa) at a time while she was several meters away from them. So Unlimited Void's range > the range of Cosmo's ability.

Or in short, Unlimited Void is completely superior to Cosmo's ability in every way that matters.

 

[Ywacch]

This should be in the "Fun and Games" thread, not in the "Versus Threads" since this isn't even about the two characters battling each other by this point.

Anyways, as a user who has read all of current chapters of the Chainsaw Man manga, I can confidently say that Cosmo's ability is completely inferior to Gojo's in every way.

Firstly, it is Cosmo's ability to force the target to understand "everything in the universe" is completely vague and means very little to what the potency of her Mind Manipulation means. While the universe itself could be considered as infinite in a sense in real life, as the expansion of space in the Universe is Infinite, all the matter and energy within the universe is still finite as the Universe doesn't actually get any "larger" (so all the matter and energy still remains at a finite amount if I recall correctly). Cosmo's ability doesn't make the target understand the entire Universe, it only makes the target understand everything inside the universe, as shown by the keyword "in". It also doesn't help that there are literally no mentions of any of the contents of the books in Cosmo's library or that the number of the books are infinite itself to compensate. Basically, this means that Cosmo's Mind Manipulation is finite, unlike Gojo's Unlimited Void where it was stated in both the manga, fan books and other scans to be "infinite" multiple times. And Infinite > Finite.

Secondly, Cosmo has no feats of affecting multiple targets with her ability. Cosmo has only ever shown to affect one target at a time with her ability, and so at best, her Mind Manipulation can only be considered as "one volume of mind" in terms of Mind Manipulation potency by this site's standards. Unlike Cosmo, Gojo's Unlimited Void was able to affect all the transfigured humans present in the Shibuya, and it was made clear that if it weren't for Gojo deliberately restricting his Domain Expansion to just "0.2 seconds", his Domain Expansion would've very well killed any ordinary humans with enough time and has several scans consistently stating that there are infinite information uploaded to the victims' minds (Gojo stating that 0.2 seconds being 2 months of rehabilitation for any normal person once they're free are also likely guesswork, so without intentionally restricting his Domain Expansion to just 0.2 seconds, his Domain Expansion likely would've actually uploaded infinite information to the victims' minds). So Gojo not only has scans suggesting that the potency behind his mind-affecting ability from his Domain Expansion is infinite, but that he also has a feat of affecting large amounts of minds as well. So Mind Manipulation that can affect multiple minds > Mind Manipulation that has affect one mind.

Thirdly, Gojo's Unlimited Void has far better range than Cosmo's ability. I mean, Gojo's Domain Expansion literally affected everyone present in Shibuya, while Cosmo's ability has only affected a victim (such as Santa) at a time while she was several meters away from them. So Unlimited Void's range > the range of Cosmo's ability.

Or in short, Unlimited Void is completely superior to Cosmo's ability in every way that matters.

The domain didn't affect everyone in shibuya only the people in the subway. The whole of Shibuya would mean that it would have been larger than or as large as Sukuna's domain which isn't the case.
Also for his domain to kill curses, it would still have to remain active until they die meaning the effect of being in his domain for non-humans isn't permanent upon activation while cosmo's ability is

 

[DeathNoodles]

Affecting all transfigured humans and Curses in Shibuya is still a far superior feat compared to Cosmo’s feat of affecting only one individual at a time, and is still a far superior range than Cosmo’s ability.

Cosmo’s ability being permanent upon activation is completely unclear, especially when we don’t know if it was due to the effects of the damages caused by the victim’s brain overloading to make the target say “Halloween” or if the ability was permanently in effect so that the victim is continuously affected by continuing to understand “everything in the Universe”, and we would never know if it was the latter because Chainsaw Man as a series are very vague about the mechanics of its characters’ abilities and end up having many of the characters abilities being susceptible to No-Limits Fallacy as a result (with Makima being the most guilty of this). If we use Occam’s Razor and to try to reduce the risk of NLF as much as possible, then it’ll likely be the former (especially since Cosmo has to look at victim in the eyes, and appear to continue to stare at them until they say “Halloween” and I don’t think we ever saw use that eye-contact based aspect of ability where she only need follow at a victim’s eyes once and then look away before they said “Halloween” to even remotely suggest that it works without her actively maintaining it), and so would be no different in outcome from Unlimited Void when left for longer than 0.2 seconds to cause long-term brain damage or kill humans and Curses (and causing long-term damage or death is about as permenant in outcome as one can get). Even with the assumption that it’s the latter, it doesn’t change the fact that Unlimited Void outdoes Cosmo’s ability in range, controllability, and potency (Unlimited Void has multiple statements to support its information upload being infinite, while Cosmo’s ability has nothing to explain or justify its potency aside from the feat that it affects one victim at a time), which is all that really matters in many situations.

 

[Rez]

I tried making her profile and added some scans on how it works.
All im missing is a good image.

Their is an Devil physiology page. It covers certain devil and fiend abilities just put it on the profile

 

[Rez]

Affecting all transfigured humans and Curses in Shibuya is still a far superior feat compared to Cosmo’s feat of affecting only one individual at a time, and is still a far superior range than Cosmo’s ability.

Cosmo’s ability being permanent upon activation is completely unclear, especially when we don’t know if it was due to the effects of the damages caused by the victim’s brain overloading to make the target say “Halloween” or if the ability was permanently in effect so that the victim is continuously affected by continuing to understand “everything in the Universe”, and we would never know if it was the latter because Chainsaw Man as a series are very vague about the mechanics of its characters’ abilities and end up having many of the characters abilities being susceptible to No-Limits Fallacy as a result (with Makima being the most guilty of this). If we use Occam’s Razor and to try to reduce the risk of NLF as much as possible, then it’ll likely be the former (especially since Cosmo has to look at victim in the eyes, and appear to continue to stare at them until they say “Halloween” and I don’t think we ever saw use that eye-contact based aspect of ability where she only need follow at a victim’s eyes once and then look away before they said “Halloween” to even remotely suggest that it works without her actively maintaining it),

Idc about this vs battle but you are wrong on cosmo's ability her ability doesn't make people say halloween her ability is to overload brains with all of the knowledge that exists and humans simply can't comprehend. This overloading of information being directly sent to brain leaves the victim unable to do anything except say halloween.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Idc about this vs battle but you are wrong on cosmo's ability her ability doesn't make people say halloween her ability is to overload brains with all of the knowledge that exists and humans simply can't comprehend. This overloading of information being directly sent to brain leaves the victim unable to do anything except say halloween.

I think you've misinterpreted what I said. That's what I meant.

I meant that the information overload causes damages in the target's mind so that the end result is them repeatedly saying "Halloween" from the said overloading, it was not at all my intention to say that Cosmo's ability does nothing but make the victim say "Halloween", especially since I mentioned and elaborated about the information-overloading aspects of her ability several times before. It might be a bit of an error in my wording, but it's too late to change it now.

 

[Rez]

it might be a bit of an error in my wording, but it's too late to change it now.

Well I skipped past most of your text and read only certain parts of it. So not really your fault.

 

[Ywacch]

Affecting all transfigured humans and Curses in Shibuya is still a far superior feat compared to Cosmo’s feat of affecting only one individual at a time, and is still a far superior range than Cosmo’s ability.

Cosmo’s ability being permanent upon activation is completely unclear, especially when we don’t know if it was due to the effects of the damages caused by the victim’s brain overloading to make the target say “Halloween” or if the ability was permanently in effect so that the victim is continuously affected by continuing to understand “everything in the Universe”, and we would never know if it was the latter because Chainsaw Man as a series are very vague about the mechanics of its characters’ abilities and end up having many of the characters abilities being susceptible to No-Limits Fallacy as a result (with Makima being the most guilty of this). If we use Occam’s Razor and to try to reduce the risk of NLF as much as possible, then it’ll likely be the former (especially since Cosmo has to look at victim in the eyes, and appear to continue to stare at them until they say “Halloween” and I don’t think we ever saw use that eye-contact based aspect of ability where she only need follow at a victim’s eyes once and then look away before they said “Halloween” to even remotely suggest that it works without her actively maintaining it), and so would be no different in outcome from Unlimited Void when left for longer than 0.2 seconds to cause long-term brain damage or kill humans and Curses (and causing long-term damage or death is about as permenant in outcome as one can get). Even with the assumption that it’s the latter, it doesn’t change the fact that Unlimited Void outdoes Cosmo’s ability in range, controllability, and potency (Unlimited Void has multiple statements to support its information upload being infinite, while Cosmo’s ability has nothing to explain or justify its potency aside from the feat that it affects one victim at a time), which is all that really matters in many situations.

It's the latter. It's permanently in effect because if it was just a one-time thing i.e the "understanding of everything in the universe" then receiving said damage from gaining such information then santa would have just transferred the damage to another doll, After all, she would no longer be under the attack. But it got transferred to all of her dolls meaning the attack is perpetual.
Also, the procedure used to deduce that it was the first is also inaccurate as there is no indication that cosmo has to use or maintain eye contact for the ability to work, and is your own assumption (they are having a conversation so obviously they look at the person they are talking to but that doesn't mean eye contact is required)
Jogo didn't even die after being in it for a while which is my point. For it to be deadly a curse on Jogo's level would have to be inside for a long amount of time as Gojo said it causes them to die slowly. And even being under the domain within the time frame of him thinking to himself and Gojo explaining the ability, after the domain is removed Jogo hasn't suffered any long-term effects and is even able to respond to Gojo's question. But all cosmo has to do is attack the target once and the result is perpetual which outdoes unlimited void in that aspect
I would even question your method of quantifying cosmo's ability based on the term "universe" as you use our own real world understanding being finite matter and finite energy but our real-world science doesn't account for concepts such as devils, contracts, the existence of hell so I would even say your scaling is inaccurate

 

[Lynieryz]

Cosmo fra.

 

[DeathNoodles]

It's the latter. It's permanently in effect because if it was just a one-time thing i.e the "understanding of everything in the universe" then receiving said damage from gaining such information then santa would have just transferred the damage to another doll, After all, she would no longer be under the attack. But it got transferred to all of her dolls meaning the attack is perpetual.
Also, the procedure used to deduce that it was the first is also inaccurate as there is no indication that cosmo has to use or maintain eye contact for the ability to work, and is your own assumption (they are having a conversation so obviously they look at the person they are talking to but that doesn't mean eye contact is required)
Jogo didn't even die after being in it for a while which is my point. For it to be deadly a curse on Jogo's level would have to be inside for a long amount of time as Gojo said it causes them to die slowly. And even being under the domain within the time frame of him thinking to himself and Gojo explaining the ability, after the domain is removed Jogo hasn't suffered any long-term effects and is even able to respond to Gojo's question. But all cosmo has to do is attack the target once and the result is perpetual which outdoes unlimited void in that aspect
I would even question your method of quantifying cosmo's ability based on the term "universe" as you use our own real world understanding being finite matter and finite energy but our real-world science doesn't account for concepts such as devils, contracts, the existence of hell so I would even say your scaling is inaccurate

The damage being transferred to her dolls is the result of Santa's ability, not Cosmo's, so your point about multiple dolls being affected is not at all Cosmo's own feat as it entirely hinges on the mechanics of an another pre-existent ability (that also includes Santa's range with affecting her dolls, because Santa's control over her puppets was affected due to her receiving information overload by Cosmo, which does not necessarily indicate that the puppets are also directly receiving the information overload from Cosmo). Unlike Cosmo, Gojo affecting all transfigured humans and Curses present in Shibuya with his Domain Expansion is a feat entirely done on his own, that doesn't rely on the mechanics of an another adversary's ability.

There is plenty of indication that we see eye contact and gestures being used for Cosmo's ability. For it to not be the case, there would need to be a scene as a feat where Cosmo was able to use her ability without the usage of eye contact or gestures, which there is none of... So by Occam's Razor, she requires eye contact or gestures to activate her ability until proven otherwise. If you want to prove otherwise, then show the feat that suggests she doesn't need such.

Jogo is a Curse, not a human. and Curses in JJK are heavily implied to have a more resilient biology than a human's (in Chainsaw Man, outside of Regeneration and stat differences, there are no scans or statements that suggests that Devils have explicitly more resilient physiology than humans. Heck, even Makima died to gunshot wounds through the head in the same manner as a human does before her Resurrection Contract with the Japan's Prime Minister kicked in, and she was among the most powerful of the Devils in Chainsaw Man before her demise to Chainsaw Man's hands), especially Special-grade Curses such as Gojo (who can "awaken" from Unlimited Void's effects at any moment after Unlimited Void is toggled down), hence he can deal with being Unlimited Void a bit longer than a human can but he is still ultimately affected - that lack of long-term effects you mentioned only applies to Curses for their inhuman biology, which doesn't necessarily apply to Devils (where the only one feat of a Devil being affected by Cosmo's ability is Santa, and we don't even know what happened to her after Cosmo's ability affected her, or what happened to Cosmo either) or humans (and it was explicitly stated that even 0.2 seconds in Unlimited Void alone causes humans to require 2 months of rehabilitation to recover from, and that remaining longer than 0.2 seconds would likely kill humans). Humans being affected to the point that the need 2 months of therapy to even recover from the 0.2 seconds, and that time longer than 0.2 seconds could outright kill them, is pretty much long-term enough of an effect. Just because Special-grade Curses such as Jogo could last long enough in the Unlimited Void doesn't mean the same applies to any other non-curses or non-sorcerer beings, and Devils such as Cosmo are neither Curses or Sorcerers (and last I've checked, Devils aren't even comprised out of energy like Curses in JJK do).

Cosmo's ability being permanent in-effect and perpetual is also an assumption on your end, because we don't even see what happened to Santa afterwards when she got affected by Cosmo's ability, or what Cosmo does afterwards, because they literally never show up again after that scene as of the current chapters in the Chainsaw Man manga. Unless you show a explicit statement that Cosmo's ability is perpetual and constantly in-effect, your words doesn't have solid backings either, especially with how vague and susceptible to NLF Chainsaw Man characters' abilities are.

Real-world science not accounting for Devils, Contracts, Existence of Hell and such is completely irrelevant when Cosmo's ability outright uses the term "universe", and it still doesn't change the fact that Unlimited Void has several statements of its information overload being infinite while there are absolutely no instances of Cosmo's Information Overload ability being infinite anywhere (and so, through Occam's Razor, Cosmo's Information Overload can only be finite. And my usage of real-world science is to show that, even if we take real-world science into account in an attempt to support the basis for Cosmo's ability, Cosmo's ability still isn't infinite as not even the amount of matter present in real life universe is infinite). My scaling being accurate or inaccurate is completely irrelevant because they're all just analogies to show that Cosmo's ability is not infinite like Gojo's ability is. And Unlimited Domain's statements of infinite information overload > Cosmo's statements of "everything in the universe" (with no evidence of infinite information overload) information overload.

 

[TauanVictor]

JJK IS UNDERGOING A REVISION

 

[Ywacch]

The damage being transferred to her dolls is the result of Santa's ability, not Cosmo's, so your point about multiple dolls being affected is not at all Cosmo's own feat as it entirely hinges on the mechanics of an another pre-existent ability (that also includes Santa's range with affecting her dolls, because Santa's control over her puppets was affected due to her receiving information overload by Cosmo, which does not necessarily indicate that the puppets are also directly receiving the information overload from Cosmo). Unlike Cosmo, Gojo affecting all transfigured humans and Curses present in Shibuya with his Domain Expansion is a feat entirely done on his own, that doesn't rely on the mechanics of an another adversary's ability.

There is plenty of indication that we see eye contact and gestures being used for Cosmo's ability. For it to not be the case, there would need to be a scene as a feat where Cosmo was able to use her ability without the usage of eye contact or gestures, which there is none of... So by Occam's Razor, she requires eye contact or gestures to activate her ability until proven otherwise. If you want to prove otherwise, then show the feat that suggests she doesn't need such.

Jogo is a Curse, not a human. and Curses in JJK are heavily implied to have a more resilient biology than a human's (in Chainsaw Man, outside of Regeneration and stat differences, there are no scans or statements that suggests that Devils have explicitly more resilient physiology than humans. Heck, even Makima died to gunshot wounds through the head in the same manner as a human does before her Resurrection Contract with the Japan's Prime Minister kicked in, and she was among the most powerful of the Devils in Chainsaw Man before her demise to Chainsaw Man's hands), especially Special-grade Curses such as Gojo (who can "awaken" from Unlimited Void's effects at any moment after Unlimited Void is toggled down), hence he can deal with being Unlimited Void a bit longer than a human can but he is still ultimately affected - that lack of long-term effects you mentioned only applies to Curses for their inhuman biology, which doesn't necessarily apply to Devils (where the only one feat of a Devil being affected by Cosmo's ability is Santa, and we don't even know what happened to her after Cosmo's ability affected her, or what happened to Cosmo either) or humans (and it was explicitly stated that even 0.2 seconds in Unlimited Void alone causes humans to require 2 months of rehabilitation to recover from, and that remaining longer than 0.2 seconds would likely kill humans). Humans being affected to the point that the need 2 months of therapy to even recover from the 0.2 seconds, and that time longer than 0.2 seconds could outright kill them, is pretty much long-term enough of an effect. Just because Special-grade Curses such as Jogo could last long enough in the Unlimited Void doesn't mean the same applies to any other non-curses or non-sorcerer beings, and Devils such as Cosmo are neither Curses or Sorcerers (and last I've checked, Devils aren't even comprised out of energy like Curses in JJK do).

Cosmo's ability being permanent in-effect and perpetual is also an assumption on your end, because we don't even see what happened to Santa afterwards when she got affected by Cosmo's ability, or what Cosmo does afterwards, because they literally never show up again after that scene as of the current chapters in the Chainsaw Man manga. Unless you show a explicit statement that Cosmo's ability is perpetual and constantly in-effect, your words doesn't have solid backings either, especially with how vague and susceptible to NLF Chainsaw Man characters' abilities are.

Real-world science not accounting for Devils, Contracts, Existence of Hell and such is completely irrelevant when Cosmo's ability outright uses the term "universe", and it still doesn't change the fact that Unlimited Void has several statements of its information overload being infinite while there are absolutely no instances of Cosmo's Information Overload ability being infinite anywhere (and so, through Occam's Razor, Cosmo's Information Overload can only be finite. And my usage of real-world science is to show that, even if we take real-world science into account in an attempt to support the basis for Cosmo's ability, Cosmo's ability still isn't infinite as not even the amount of matter present in real life universe is infinite). My scaling being accurate or inaccurate is completely irrelevant because they're all just analogies to show that Cosmo's ability is not infinite like Gojo's ability is. And Unlimited Domain's statements of infinite information overload > Cosmo's statements of "everything in the universe" (with no evidence of infinite information overload) information overload.

Let me simplify what I was saying, I'm not saying it was cosmo's power to affect the dolls I'm saying it affected the dolls because the attack affects the opponent until they die so even if she tries to use damage transfer Santa would still be under the attack.

Could you provide evidence of such an indication? Also, when she closed the book prior to introducing herself she wasn't looking at santa. Your logic doesn't even make sense which is a correlation causation fallacy. Because they were looking at each other (they were having a conversation no shit) doesn't mean eye contact is even necessary (already mentioned an existing panel). That's like trying to argue that Gojo can only use his domain expansion at night so you're misusing Occam's razor.

As Santa was getting hit we see on the book cover written by Cosmo it says "You can only think of Halloween until you die" so I wasn't making an assumption I was stating a fact.

Your attempt to quantify cosmo's attack still requires that our universe is the same as theirs for it to hold so it is relevant.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Let me simplify what I was saying, I'm not saying it was cosmo's power to affect the dolls I'm saying it affected the dolls because the attack affects the opponent until they die so even if she tries to use damage transfer Santa would still be under the attack.

Which... Doesn't really prove that Cosmo's ability is permanently in-effect and perpetual like you say it is. Santa transfers her mind through her puppets in a sort of hivemind-like way, where her pain and senses are spread throughout all of them (so all her puppets are directly manipulated by her, with her mind directly connected to all of them, which includes sharing all their experiences), so if she were to have her mind directly incapacitated, then all her puppets can be incapacitated in the process because she is the very mind that's controlling them all and is connected to all of them. Cosmo's ability working against Santa proves nothing about it being permanently in-effect or that it's constant. An ability that causes permanent damage (e,g, Character A causes Character B to become a mental vegetable via Mind Manipulation, thus Character B's mind is now permanently damaged. In this case, the minds of Cosmo's victims being permanently damaged from the information overload so that all they can say is Halloween until they die) is completely different from an ability that is constantly active on its target (e.g. Character A causes Character B to continuously destroy itself, thus character B's mind will keep getting damaged further and further with Character A's Mind Manipulation without them needing to do anything further), and you would need to provide an explicit statement/quote that it is the latter, or else your words about Cosmo's Information Overload ability being perpetual wouldn't hold any more weight than mine saying it isn't, and the burden of proof lies in proving the positives (in this case, you stating that her ability is perpetual), not the negatives (In this case, me pointing out it isn't, though providing evidence to debunk the positive claims would still be effective). In this case, the burden of proof lies to you to prove that her ability is constantly in-effect and does more than just cause permanent damage/effect, not mine.

Could you provide evidence of such an indication? Also, when she closed the book prior to introducing herself she wasn't looking at santa. Your logic doesn't even make sense which is a correlation causation fallacy. Because they were looking at each other (they were having a conversation no shit) doesn't mean eye contact is even necessary (already mentioned an existing panel). That's like trying to argue that Gojo can only use his domain expansion at night so you're misusing Occam's razor.

Here, then here and here. In all these instances, Cosmo has shown to require either directly looking at the target at their eyes or to perform some form of gestures pointing at them (e.g. Her "Kamehameha" rip off gesture) for her to initiate the ability on them, and her information overload has only been shown to be able to begin from there. You explaining that Cosmo "wasn't looking at Santa" was completely irrelevant and inaccurate to the situation that was going on as Cosmo quite literally was looking at Santa and performing that "attack" gesture on her to trigger her ability, and based on those scans, they all indicate that Cosmo needs to at least look at the targets in the eyes to be able to initiate her ability - and you arguing otherwise would hold no waters there when those 3 scans are the literally the only scenes present that indicates when Cosmo uses her information overload ability. And that time you mentioned where she "wasn't looking at Santa"? That was when both of them were already brought to the inside of Cosmo's mind, which was done after Cosmo activated her ability using either eye contact or her gestures. If Cosmo never needed eye contact in the first place, then Cosmo wouldn't have looked at that driver directly in the eyes or used her "Kamehameha" gesture on Santa to have their minds being overloaded with information and then saying "Halloween", and she would've been able to affect anyone within her vicinity that she chooses without looking at them... Which she didn't do, because there are absolutely no scans or statements that proves she can do such.

Correlation Causation Fallacy? Because of characters having clear indications that they use gestures or eye contact to trigger their abilities as demonstrated? That's literally how most other users evaluate the characters' abilities in this site, especially in Content Revision Threads or otherwise, especially with franchises that are vague with their characters' abilities such as Chainsaw Man.

How I used Occam's Razor seems pretty reasonable to use to me, with how vague and susceptible to No-Limits Fallacy Chainsaw Man characters' abilities are, especially when there are absolutely no indication to prove that Chainsaw Man's Universe works completely different from ours in terms of cosmology (outside of supernatural and superhuman elements), especially when it takes place in planet Earth with all the same countries and nations (Japan, United States, etc.) that are based on the ones in real life.

Having supernatural elements, and realms of folklore such as Hell, being present within the Chainsaw Man Universe does not mean that the Chainsaw Man Universe has a completely different cosmology than our own universe. Unless it was explicitly stated that how the origin of the Chainsaw Man's universe occurred in a way that is completely different from ours, or that we're talking about some franchises where their universes operates in a fantasy-like manner where Magic and the Supernatural are the basis for their universes' origins (e.g. Lord of the Rings universe where some bunch of Deities created their universe due to some weird inspiration, or My Little Pony where "natural" phenomena in that universe are completely different from that of our universe to the point that a bunch of winged and horned horses has to "raise" the Sun everyday in order to even have day and night cycles), it is not at all invalid to assume that the Cosmology of such a setting would be completely different from ours in terms of size and structure. In fact, this type of logic is what this site uses as a standard, especially the evaluate character abilities such as characters "shaking the universe" by assuming those universes works similarly to our own to be able to make calculations out of such feats unless it is proven otherwise that the universes of those franchises operates in a completely different cosmology from our own universe.

Also, your analogy at how I apparently misused Occam's Razor by stating that it's like "trying to argue that Gojo can only use his domain expansion at night" has some flaws, when Unlimited Domain is a Domain Expansion, and so can be scaled to other Domain Expansions where other JJK characters with Domain Expansion unleashed them during the day (and so Gojo should be able to achieve similar via scaling to their feats with Domain Expansion), so your analogy is both flawed and also doesn't make it clear to me for how I misused Occam's Razor. Cosmo's ability is finite because there's no further feats to prove it's otherwise, and trying to argue that it's anything more than finite would require both feats and scans... Which Cosmo doesn't have, and which Gojo's Unlimited Void does. Feats are everything in this site, and it's basically a universal standard for how character abilities are evaluated.

If characters has not shown anything beyond what the best feats they have displayed so far, then it is assumed that the capabilities displayed by their best feats are their limits (in this case, if Cosmo's Mind Manipulation via her ability has not have any feats or reliable statements that supports it being anything greater than finite, than it would remain as finite). It's a universal standard in this site.

As Santa was getting hit we see on the book cover written by Cosmo it says "You can only think of Halloween until you die" so I wasn't making an assumption I was stating a fact.

That proves nothing about the information overload being constantly active on the victim. At best, that only proves that the damage caused by the information overload is permanent with the points I've mentioned above, with that permeant (but not perpetually in-effect) damage/effect being the victim saying "Halloween" for all of their life. Again, an ability that causes permanent damage is completely different from an ability that is constantly active on the victim, and I see no indication that it was the latter - the "You can only think of Halloween until you die" appears to be more of a by-product of the information overload (due to "understanding everything in the Universe") rather than anything that suggests that it's constant. Unless there is an explicit scan or quote that says something along the lines of "You will constantly know everything in the Universe", then that would be when I concede in that regard, and I have not seen any indications of such in the current chapters of Chainsaw Man.

Your attempt to quantify cosmo's attack still requires that our universe is the same as theirs for it to hold so it is relevant.

Again, unless Chainsaw Man has indications that the Cosmology in their universe is completely different from ours (supernatural elements such as Devils, Contracts and Hell do not count because they have absolutely no impact on the physical universe of Chainsaw Man. And from what is briefly mentioned about Hell, it is a world completely separate from Earth, but there are absolutely no scans or statements that states anything about it being infinite or even being the same size as Earth), then it is not an invalid method to use such a logic about the Chainsaw Man's abilities. In fact, there are more evidences that points towards the Chainsaw Man universe having the same Cosmology as ours outside of the obvious supernatural elements, such as planet Earth existing, the Sun existing, Nazis existing, and many more.

 

[Epiccheev]

This response alone has enough verbose to rival cosmo's halloween.

 

[Ywacch]

Which... Doesn't really prove that Cosmo's ability is permanently in-effect and perpetual like you say it is. Santa transfers her mind through her puppets in a sort of hivemind-like way, where her pain and senses are spread throughout all of them (so all her puppets are directly manipulated by her, with her mind directly connected to all of them, which includes sharing all their experiences), so if she were to have her mind directly incapacitated, then all her puppets can be incapacitated in the process because she is the very mind that's controlling them all and is connected to all of them. Cosmo's ability working against Santa proves nothing about it being permanently in-effect or that it's constant. An ability that causes permanent damage (e,g, Character A causes Character B to become a mental vegetable via Mind Manipulation, thus Character B's mind is now permanently damaged. In this case, the minds of Cosmo's victims being permanently damaged from the information overload so that all they can say is Halloween until they die) is completely different from an ability that is constantly active on its target (e.g. Character A causes Character B to continuously destroy itself, thus character B's mind will keep getting damaged further and further with Character A's Mind Manipulation without them needing to do anything further), and you would need to provide an explicit statement/quote that it is the latter, or else your words about Cosmo's Information Overload ability being perpetual wouldn't hold any more weight than mine saying it isn't, and the burden of proof lies in proving the positives (in this case, you stating that her ability is perpetual), not the negatives (In this case, me pointing out it isn't, though providing evidence to debunk the positive claims would still be effective). In this case, the burden of proof lies to you to prove that her ability is constantly in-effect and does more than just cause permanent damage/effect, not mine.


Here, then here and here. In all these instances, Cosmo has shown to require either directly looking at the target at their eyes or to perform some form of gestures pointing at them (e.g. Her "Kamehameha" rip off gesture) for her to initiate the ability on them, and her information overload has only been shown to be able to begin from there. You explaining that Cosmo "wasn't looking at Santa" was completely irrelevant and inaccurate to the situation that was going on as Cosmo quite literally was looking at Santa and performing that "attack" gesture on her to trigger her ability, and based on those scans, they all indicate that Cosmo needs to at least look at the targets in the eyes to be able to initiate her ability - and you arguing otherwise would hold no waters there when those 3 scans are the literally the only scenes present that indicates when Cosmo uses her information overload ability. And that time you mentioned where she "wasn't looking at Santa"? That was when both of them were already brought to the inside of Cosmo's mind, which was done after Cosmo activated her ability using either eye contact or her gestures. If Cosmo never needed eye contact in the first place, then Cosmo wouldn't have looked at that driver directly in the eyes or used her "Kamehameha" gesture on Santa to have their minds being overloaded with information and then saying "Halloween", and she would've been able to affect anyone within her vicinity that she chooses without looking at them... Which she didn't do, because there are absolutely no scans or statements that proves she can do such.

Correlation Causation Fallacy? Because of characters having clear indications that they use gestures or eye contact to trigger their abilities as demonstrated? That's literally how most other users evaluate the characters' abilities in this site, especially in Content Revision Threads or otherwise, especially with franchises that are vague with their characters' abilities such as Chainsaw Man.

How I used Occam's Razor seems pretty reasonable to use to me, with how vague and susceptible to No-Limits Fallacy Chainsaw Man characters' abilities are, especially when there are absolutely no indication to prove that Chainsaw Man's Universe works completely different from ours in terms of cosmology (outside of supernatural and superhuman elements), especially when it takes place in planet Earth with all the same countries and nations (Japan, United States, etc.) that are based on the ones in real life.

Having supernatural elements, and realms of folklore such as Hell, being present within the Chainsaw Man Universe does not mean that the Chainsaw Man Universe has a completely different cosmology than our own universe. Unless it was explicitly stated that how the origin of the Chainsaw Man's universe occurred in a way that is completely different from ours, or that we're talking about some franchises where their universes operates in a fantasy-like manner where Magic and the Supernatural are the basis for their universes' origins (e.g. Lord of the Rings universe where some bunch of Deities created their universe due to some weird inspiration, or My Little Pony where "natural" phenomena in that universe are completely different from that of our universe to the point that a bunch of winged and horned horses has to "raise" the Sun everyday in order to even have day and night cycles), it is not at all invalid to assume that the Cosmology of such a setting would be completely different from ours in terms of size and structure. In fact, this type of logic is what this site uses as a standard, especially the evaluate character abilities such as characters "shaking the universe" by assuming those universes works similarly to our own to be able to make calculations out of such feats unless it is proven otherwise that the universes of those franchises operates in a completely different cosmology from our own universe.

Also, your analogy at how I apparently misused Occam's Razor by stating that it's like "trying to argue that Gojo can only use his domain expansion at night" has some flaws, when Unlimited Domain is a Domain Expansion, and so can be scaled to other Domain Expansions where other JJK characters with Domain Expansion unleashed them during the day (and so Gojo should be able to achieve similar via scaling to their feats with Domain Expansion), so your analogy is both flawed and also doesn't make it clear to me for how I misused Occam's Razor. Cosmo's ability is finite because there's no further feats to prove it's otherwise, and trying to argue that it's anything more than finite would require both feats and scans... Which Cosmo doesn't have, and which Gojo's Unlimited Void does. Feats are everything in this site, and it's basically a universal standard for how character abilities are evaluated.

If characters has not shown anything beyond what the best feats they have displayed so far, then it is assumed that the capabilities displayed by their best feats are their limits (in this case, if Cosmo's Mind Manipulation via her ability has not have any feats or reliable statements that supports it being anything greater than finite, than it would remain as finite). It's a universal standard in this site.


That proves nothing about the information overload being constantly active on the victim. At best, that only proves that the damage caused by the information overload is permanent with the points I've mentioned above, with that permeant (but not perpetually in-effect) damage/effect being the victim saying "Halloween" for all of their life. Again, an ability that causes permanent damage is completely different from an ability that is constantly active on the victim, and I see no indication that it was the latter - the "You can only think of Halloween until you die" appears to be more of a by-product of the information overload (due to "understanding everything in the Universe") rather than anything that suggests that it's constant. Unless there is an explicit scan or quote that says something along the lines of "You will constantly know everything in the Universe", then that would be when I concede in that regard, and I have not seen any indications of such in the current chapters of Chainsaw Man.


Again, unless Chainsaw Man has indications that the Cosmology in their universe is completely different from ours (supernatural elements such as Devils, Contracts and Hell do not count because they have absolutely no impact on the physical universe of Chainsaw Man. And from what is briefly mentioned about Hell, it is a world completely separate from Earth, but there are absolutely no scans or statements that states anything about it being infinite or even being the same size as Earth), then it is not an invalid method to use such a logic about the Chainsaw Man's abilities. In fact, there are more evidences that points towards the Chainsaw Man universe having the same Cosmology as ours outside of the obvious supernatural elements, such as planet Earth existing, the Sun existing, Nazis existing, and many more.

Allow me to correct myself. The attack isn't perpetual but the damage/side effect of the attack is. Which is what I was going for anyways.

For the second panel you posted she wasn't looking at santa. Santa was lying on the floor right in front of her while she's looking in front not downwards. And hand gestures don't happen in any other situation and the fake Kamehameha is just a joke reference to DBZ. As for the third when she looks at Santa, Santa is already in her library and neither is she affected by the ability when that happens.

Cosmology is defined as the study of the universe and its components/properties. Cosmology done under the scientific method disregards the existence of supernatural forces/powers unlike cosmology done under religious studies of which you use the former hence chainsaw man's cosmology is different from our own world as the existence of supernatural forces is the crux of the story

 

[DeathNoodles]

Allow me to correct myself. The attack isn't perpetual but the damage/side effect of the attack is. Which is what I was going for anyways.

That’s fine. If we’re going by permanent damage/effect, then Gojo’s Unlimited Void achieves similar. It explicitly stated that even 0.2 seconds in the Unlimited Void for non-sorcerer humans alone was enough to require 2 months of rehabilitation (as in, they require treatment to be able to recover, not being left to recover by themselves) to even be able to rejoin society again due to sheer information overload - and the instance where Gojo’s Unlimited Void overloaded all the minds of the transfigured humans was so great that he was able to upload half a year’s worth in just one moment of Unlimited Void being unleashed and knocked all of them into unconsciousness while standing (which Cosmo’s Total Understanding ability isn’t able do by the way, being able to knock targets to unconsciousness, an another thing to not that Unlimited Void can do that Cosmo’s ability can’t), and that it was heavily implied that non-Sorcerers humans standing any longer than 0.2 seconds would suffer would suffer lasting after-effects (based on how Gojo conjectured that they can only handle 0.2 seconds). If 0.2 seconds is enough to require external help such as rehabilitation to recover, and that staying any longer than 0.2 in Unlimited Void could lead to suffering lasting permanent after-effects or even death, then Unlimited Void can already achieve permanent damage/effect in that regard anyways.

For the second panel you posted she wasn't looking at santa. Santa was lying on the floor right in front of her while she's looking in front not downwards. And hand gestures don't happen in any other situation and the fake Kamehameha is just a joke reference to DBZ. As for the third when she looks at Santa, Santa is already in her library and neither is she affected by the ability when that happens.

Cosmo was looking at Santa though. We literally we two cuts of the respective characters’ faces to show that they are looking at each other in Chainsaw Man’s narrative styles, and Manga is traditionally structured to read from right-to-left, which shows them looking at each other before Cosmo activated her ability. You can argue that Santa was lying downwards, but Cosmo was also kneeling downwards and it’s not like there aren’t notable several meters of distance between them to have the field of vision being enough that looking straight can still encompass the laying target’s face - and plus, it’s not like Santa herself doesn’t have a tall and large inhuman-like body after Santa ate the Darkness Devil’s flesh, considering Santa herself was tall enough to dwarf Denji (Chainsaw Man) in height and size in one of the manga scenes prior. And Santa wasn’t “already in her library”, we straight up got a scene when Cosmo was looking at Santa’s direction before Santa got brought into Cosmo’s mind that is the library. Santa being brought into the Library happens after Cosmo looked at her and did her thing, not before.

Cosmology is defined as the study of the universe and its components/properties. Cosmology done under the scientific method disregards the existence of supernatural forces/powers unlike cosmology done under religious studies of which you use the former hence chainsaw man's cosmology is different from our own world as the existence of supernatural forces is the crux of the story

Cosmology describes the origin and development of the universe. It being done under scientific methods is completely irrelevant when this site has evaluated the feats and universes of series with much more difference between those franchises’ universe Cosmology and our universe’s Cosmology than Chainsaw Man’s universe Cosmology and ours, and all these aforementioned have supernatural/superhuman elements that are much more involved in those franchises’ cosmology than Chainsaw Man’s.

Chainsaw Man having supernatural elements such as Devils, Contract, Hell, etc. is absolutely irrelevant when none of these elements have absolutely no impact on the Cosmology of the Chainsaw Man’s universe. None of these supernatural elements have indicated that that are involved in the Chainsaw Man’s Universe being originated and developed by those elements, and there are more evidence that Chainsaw Man’s universe Cosmology operates more similarly to our universe Cosmology than differently (e.g. the Sun existing, there being day and night cycles, the time and dates are measured using real life’s temporal measurements, etc. Heck, Chainsaw Man even cited events that occurred in real life such as Nazis, World War II and such).

Unless you give me explicit evidence where Devils, Contracts, Hell, etc. was responsible for the Chainsaw Man’s universe being created and developed, I will not be budging in this matter, especially when this site usually assumes the Universe of some franchises (especially ones that don’t indicate that their universe’s Cosmology is different from real life universe’s Cosmology) operates similarly to ours to even be able to get Calculations done and evaluated in character profiles within this site. Supernatural elements that has no impact on the universe’s origin and development is not enough evidence to indicate that the Cosmology of Chainsaw Man is different enough from ours to have all comparisons done between them (including all calculations to evaluate character abilities and feats with calculations, which Chainsaw Man already has to have character profiles such as Denji, Makima and Power being the way they are now by the way, thus users of this site already assumes that the physics and cosmology of the Chainsaw Man works similarly to real life’s physics and cosmology) becoming invalid. If anything, there is more evidence to suggest the contrary.

And if there is more evidence to suggest that Chainsaw Man’s Cosmology is more likely to be similar to ours than different, then my analogies about Cosmo’s ability of forcing targets to “understand everything in the Universe” isn’t invalid either, especially when there are no evidence provided to suggests otherwise.

We can keep circling this matter for as long as you want, but just know that I won’t be budging on this matter until there is explicit evidence arriving in the Chainsaw Man manga (and that only such explicit evidence can convince me about the matter of the Cosmology, not mere words). We can agree to disagree if you want to, though we can just as easily continue talking about this matter and continue to waste both of our time on this matter even further if you want to.

 

[Ywacch]

That’s fine. If we’re going by permanent damage/effect, then Gojo’s Unlimited Void achieves similar. It explicitly stated that even 0.2 seconds in the Unlimited Void for non-sorcerer humans alone was enough to require 2 months of rehabilitation (as in, they require treatment to be able to recover, not being left to recover by themselves) to even be able to rejoin society again due to sheer information overload - and the instance where Gojo’s Unlimited Void overloaded all the minds of the transfigured humans was so great that he was able to upload half a year’s worth in just one moment of Unlimited Void being unleashed and knocked all of them into unconsciousness while standing (which Cosmo’s Total Understanding ability isn’t able do by the way, being able to knock targets to unconsciousness, an another thing to not that Unlimited Void can do that Cosmo’s ability can’t), and that it was heavily implied that non-Sorcerers humans standing any longer than 0.2 seconds would suffer would suffer lasting after-effects (based on how Gojo conjectured that they can only handle 0.2 seconds). If 0.2 seconds is enough to require external help such as rehabilitation to recover, and that staying any longer than 0.2 in Unlimited Void could lead to suffering lasting permanent after-effects or even death, then Unlimited Void can already achieve permanent damage/effect in that regard anyways.

Cosmo was looking at Santa though. We literally we two cuts of the respective characters’ faces to show that they are looking at each other in Chainsaw Man’s narrative styles, and Manga is traditionally structured to read from right-to-left, which shows them looking at each other before Cosmo activated her ability. You can argue that Santa was lying downwards, but Cosmo was also kneeling downwards and it’s not like there aren’t notable several meters of distance between them to have the field of vision being enough that looking straight can still encompass the laying target’s face - and plus, it’s not like Santa herself doesn’t have a tall and large inhuman-like body after Santa ate the Darkness Devil’s flesh, considering Santa herself was tall enough to dwarf Denji (Chainsaw Man) in height and size in one of the manga scenes prior. And Santa wasn’t “already in her library”, we straight up got a scene when Cosmo was looking at Santa’s direction before Santa got brought into Cosmo’s mind that is the library. Santa being brought into the Library happens after Cosmo looked at her and did her thing, not before.

Cosmology describes the origin and development of the universe. It being done under scientific methods is completely irrelevant when this site has evaluated the feats and universes of series with much more difference between those franchises’ universe Cosmology and our universe’s Cosmology than Chainsaw Man’s universe Cosmology and ours, and all these aforementioned have supernatural/superhuman elements that are much more involved in those franchises’ cosmology than Chainsaw Man’s.

Chainsaw Man having supernatural elements such as Devils, Contract, Hell, etc. is absolutely irrelevant when none of these elements have absolutely no impact on the Cosmology of the Chainsaw Man’s universe. None of these supernatural elements have indicated that that are involved in the Chainsaw Man’s Universe being originated and developed by those elements, and there are more evidence that Chainsaw Man’s universe Cosmology operates more similarly to our universe Cosmology than differently (e.g. the Sun existing, there being day and night cycles, the time and dates are measured using real life’s temporal measurements, etc. Heck, Chainsaw Man even cited events that occurred in real life such as Nazis, World War II and such).

Unless you give me explicit evidence where Devils, Contracts, Hell, etc. was responsible for the Chainsaw Man’s universe being created and developed, I will not be budging in this matter, especially when this site usually assumes the Universe of some franchises (especially ones that don’t indicate that their universe’s Cosmology is different from real life universe’s Cosmology) operates similarly to ours to even be able to get Calculations done and evaluated in character profiles within this site. Supernatural elements that has no impact on the universe’s origin and development is not enough evidence to indicate that the Cosmology of Chainsaw Man is different enough from ours to have all comparisons done between them (including all calculations to evaluate character abilities and feats with calculations, which Chainsaw Man already has to have character profiles such as Denji, Makima and Power being the way they are now by the way, thus users of this site already assumes that the physics and cosmology of the Chainsaw Man works similarly to real life’s physics and cosmology) becoming invalid. If anything, there is more evidence to suggest the contrary.

And if there is more evidence to suggest that Chainsaw Man’s Cosmology is more likely to be similar to ours than different, then my analogies about Cosmo’s ability of forcing targets to “understand everything in the Universe” isn’t invalid either, especially when there are no evidence provided to suggests otherwise.

We can keep circling this matter for as long as you want, but just know that I won’t be budging on this matter until there is explicit evidence arriving in the Chainsaw Man manga (and that only such explicit evidence can convince me about the matter of the Cosmology, not mere words). We can agree to disagree if you want to, though we can just as easily continue talking about this matter and continue to waste both of our time on this matter even further if you want to.

But that depends on the opponent. Other than normal human beings or opponents on the same level he would have to keep them in the domain longer than that for any permanent effects. And Santa with her doll transfer makes her virtually far more resilient than a human being to where an attack on her was considered to be like trying to dye an ocean with a drop of blood.

They weren't looking at each other that was santa looking at Quanxi as they were talking even if we go by the right to left reading style (which is what I use) as quanxi was talking to santa and then told cosmo to come in and use halloween then santa wonders what quanxi is talking about by asking "halloween"?

 

[DeathNoodles]

But that depends on the opponent. Other than normal human beings or opponents on the same level he would have to keep them in the domain longer than that for any permanent effects. And Santa with her doll transfer makes her virtually far more resilient than a human being to where an attack on her was considered to be like trying to dye an ocean with a drop of blood.

Unquantifiable for Cosmo’s ability, especially when Santa is just one mind that’s connected to all her dolls that even allows Cosmo’s ability to spread to the dolls in the first place. Cosmo has yet to display a feat where she can affect multiple targets without relying on the pre-existent mechanics of an another Devil’s ability like Santa’s mind transfer. Meanwhile, Gojo’s Unlimited Domain has shown to affect multiple targets such as all the transfigured humans and Curses present in Shibuya independently. Also, Gojo’s Domain still causes long-term effects. Requiring 2 months of external help to require from mere 0.2 seconds of Unlimited Domain implies that ordinary humans can’t simply recover by themselves without external help. And Gojo keeping them in his Domain longer for permanent effects doesn’t mean anything when Gojo can be bloodlusted or hate a target enough to keep them in for longer - all that would entail is that Gojo has more control over how much Gojo’s Unlimited Void overloads the targets with information, which is an another advantage against Cosmo’s ability as Cosmo herself has absolutely no control (based on the scenes we can see) over how much extent her targets gets overloaded with information after she has activated her information overload ability. This also doesn’t change the fact that Unlimited Domain was proven to be infinite in its information overload while Cosmo’s ability isn’t.

They weren't looking at each other that was santa looking at Quanxi as they were talking even if we go by the right to left reading style (which is what I use) as quanxi was talking to santa and then told cosmo to come in and use halloween then santa wonders what quanxi is talking about by asking "halloween"?

They were looking at each other. We literally see close-ups of both Santa’s and Cosmo’s faces to indicate them looking at each other in Chainsaw Man manga style writing. We literally saw the same thing that happened between Cosmo and that driver with the close-ups of their faces. And Cosmo was definitely at least looking at Santa’s general activation right when she activated her ability.