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Cookie Run: Addressing the Realm of Apathy

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Mystic Flour Cookie and Realm of Apathy

The Realm of Apathy is Mystic Flour Cookies realm which is a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is liberated from burden. The Realm of Apathy corresponds to Buddhism, at times, almost exactly. Setting herself free from the cycle, it can be known that Mystic Flour Cookie has attained Nirvana. Nirvana is the state of being freed from the perpetual state of anguish, transcending it. This is all made clear by the Realm of Apathy update. The Realm of the Dumpling Immortals and the realm she sent Cookies to with her Volition are clear references to the Formless Realms. She has achieved this state of enlightenment and has become the Leavened One. The Realm of Apathy is also described to be the roof of the world. Which is in correspondence with the Formless Realms as well. (Summarize: Mystic Flour Cookie created the Realm of Apathy, and has achieved a state of enlightenment transcending all. The Realm shares similarities with the Formless Realms of Buddha, transcending meaning, time, the cycle, etc.)

Concept Manipulation (Type 2): The Beast Cookies have been shown to govern concepts that shape reality. However, this is not on the level of the Guardians. Mystic Flour governs and controls all of Volition and Apathy within the Kingdom Timeline.

Fear Manipulation: Dark Cacao Cookie trembled with fear upon his arrival in Beast Yeast, alongside Mystic Flour's power causing him and his sword to tremble uncontrollably. Her fog also caused everyone's willpower to fade into Apathy. Governs the concept of Volition.

Wish Granting: Mystic Flour has been shown to grant wishes big and small.

NonDuality (Type 1): She has transcended Samsara, thus not bounded by the cycle of life, death, and rebirth. Death, life, and rebirth are dualities that are governed by nature. Frost Queen talks about how nature is a divine balance where concepts that contradict each other like coldness and warmth co-exist and it probably extends to all other dualities as the Frost Queen statement uses the cold warning as an example of something greater and we already have confirmation of dualities in the verse.

Creation: Created the Realm of Apathy.


Agree: 8 (@Lloydblitzed @DarkDragonMedeus @Livinmeme @TISSG7Redgrave @Ruler_Star_Kuma @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Braking @Just_a_Random_Butler)
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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Ar1216789 said:
Concept Manipulation (Type 2): The Beast Cookies have been shown to govern concepts. However, this is not on the level of the Guardians.
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Got to remain neutral since CM is kind of over my head on what qualifies.
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Fear Manipulation: Dark Cacao Cookie trembled with fear upon his arrival in Beast Yeast.
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Not sure if anyone actually "Manipulated" fear there, only was afraid of presence.
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Wish Granting: Mystic Flour has been shown to grant wishes big and small.

Resistance to Life and Death Manipulation: She has transcended Samsara, thus not bounded by the cycle of life, death, and rebirth.

Creation: Created the Realm of Apathy.
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These all look fine.
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Infinite Speed
Universes are infinite. Cookies are able to traverse to Bonus Time within a short timeframe, which is another universe and requires an infinite distance to be crossed. Making every Cookie Infinite Speed.
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While universes are infinite in size, traveling from one to the other =/= traveling from one edge of the universe to the other end edge. This sounds more like it's just Dimensional Travel.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Got to remain neutral since CM is kind of over my head on what qualifies.

Not sure if anyone actually "Manipulated" fear there, only was afraid of presence.

These all look fine.

While universes are infinite in size, traveling from one to the other =/= traveling from one edge of the universe to the other end edge. This sounds more like it's just Dimensional Travel.
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I think I might scratch of Infinite Speed, and put it as immeasurable speed as Mystic Flour transcended the passage of time/linear time.. so I might consider removing Infinite Speed.. shes also been shown to make peoples will power into apathy. I'll add some changes to the CRT.
 
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Concept Manipulation (Type 2): The Beast Cookies have been shown to govern concepts that shape all of reality. However, this is not on the level of the Guardians.

Fear Manipulation: Dark Cacao Cookie trembled with fear upon his arrival in Beast Yeast, alongside Mystic Flour's power causing him and his sword to tremble uncontrollably. Her fog also caused everyone's willpower to fade into Apathy.
Creation: Created the Realm of Apathy.
Wish Granting: Mystic Flour has been shown to grant wishes big and small.
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Agree
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Resistance to Life and Death Manipulation: She has transcended Samsara, thus not bounded by the cycle of life, death, and rebirth.
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Pretty sure that is just transduality type 1
Ar1216789 said:
Immeasurable Speed
Mystic Flour Cookie has transcended the passage of time, Dark Cacao has been shown to keep up with her on various occasions as well as easily taking the Light of Resolution away from her, making everyone comparable to him Immeasurable Speed.
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Trasecnding time doens't make you immensurable anymore
 
Ailamiona said:
I have not touched CRK following the Twizzly update so I'm equally unknowledgable, but I agree so far with DDM and Livinmeme's analyses
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What about the immeasurable speed part? Also i'm pretty sure Timekeepers immeasurable since she can traverse time at will
 
CM not super sure

Fear seems more like willpower manipulation

wish granting is straight forward

Idk on tranduality but it could be

Creation is also straight forward

Speed not sure as I'm a bit forgetful if doing that is enough. I think it SHOULD be fine but im not an immesurable expert.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
CM not super sure

Fear seems more like willpower manipulation

wish granting is straight forward

Idk on tranduality but it could be

Creation is also straight forward

Speed not sure as I'm a bit forgetful if doing that is enough. I think it SHOULD be fine but im not an immesurable expert.
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I'll edit it into Supernatural Willpower, it seems better since she governs Volition. (volition is literally willpower)
 
I need more context for CM2, those aren't enough

Transcend circle of life, death and rebirth isn't transduality, you need to prove that life, death is a duality govern reality, not because simply they sound opposite to each others. Also funny is the scan doesn't even said what you claim, it only saying that the character are free from circle of death and rebirth, which at best is, iirc immortality type 5

Speed: transcend the passage of time isn't immeasurable speed, it is an umbrella term that could mean many thing, such as people obtain eternal life and thus transcend time, or something such as time can't affect them, etc...

And again i must say, the scans doesn't said what you claimed at all, you said the character transcend passage of time yet the scan said overcome time/passage of time, this is the second time you claimed what not on the scans. And the entire context is
Time comes and goes as Cookie are baked and crumble one again. But i learned to overcome time itself simply by being me
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I have overcome the passage of time by casting away all worldly concerns
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These two statements have nothing to do with speed at all, i read them over and over and still find nothing that can imply something like speed in there, i don't like this, but these statements sound to hypebolic, poetic to me to actually find anything noteworthy. It isn't even close to the old, usual statement transcend time or space-time that could gave Immeasurable speed with the old standard. Unless there is more to this, with just these two statements, a hard no for Immeasurable speed for me
 
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Transcend circle of life, death and rebirth isn't transduality, you need to prove that life, death is a duality govern reality, not because simply they sound opposite to each others. Also funny is the scan doesn't even said what you claim, it only saying that the character are free from circle of death and rebirth, which at best is, iirc immortality type 5
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No?
Wei huo: Nonduality (Type 1; A Mythical Being is not dead or alive[145])
Also life and death govern reality inherently, everything is exposed to it, except for things that are neither alive or dead (IE rocks)
 
Livinmeme said:
No?
Wei huo: Nonduality (Type 1; A Mythical Being is not dead or alive[145])
Also life and death govern reality inherently, everything is exposed to it, except for things that are neither alive or dead (IE rocks)
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1. OP claimed transduality with Cookie transcend life and death while the scan said she is free from it

2. Whataboutism, Wei Huo have evidences, contexts for life and death being a duality, but what about Cookie??, the scan only say she is free from life and death and rebirth, nothing else
 
Vietthai96 said:
I need more context for CM2, those aren't enough

Transcend circle of life, death and rebirth isn't transduality, you need to prove that life, death is a duality govern reality, not because simply they sound opposite to each others. Also funny is the scan doesn't even said what you claim, it only saying that the character are free from circle of death and rebirth, which at best is, iirc immortality type 5

Speed: transcend the passage of time isn't immeasurable speed, it is an umbrella term that could mean many thing, such as people obtain eternal life and thus transcend time, or somethinf it is just that time can't affect them, etc...

And again i must say, the scans doesn't said what you claimed at all, you said the character transcend passage of time yet the scan said overcome time/passage of time, this is the second time you claimed what not on the scans. And the entire context is

Then the second scan

These two statements have nothing to do with speed at all, i read them over and over and still find nothing that can imply something like speed in there, i don't like this, but these statements sound to hypebolic, poetic to me to actually find anything noteworthy. It isn't even close to the old, usual statement transcend time or space-time that could gave Immeasurable speed with the old standard. Unless there is more to this, with just these two statements, a hard no for Immeasurable speed for me
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As of now, we don't have much on Beast Cookies to give me a full discussion on their Concept Manip, but Type 2 is the most realistic. (most accurate as seen in the scan, primarily the 2nd one.)

It's transcending essentially the cycle inside the verse, which is Samsara. It's a cycle, life and death cannot be without rebirth. I'll just put this back as Life and Death Resistance.The verse has Nature, which is a metaphysical entity that creates laws that fuel the world and allow it to exist. The principles of nature are fundamental for existence, is divine balance, with things like the feeling of coldness and warmth coexisting. This has been explained in a previous OP how it extends to all dualities. So Nonduality can be kept. (this mistakes on my behalf for not elaborting on myself, i'll add this to the OP later.)

I thought transcending time would qualify for Immeasurable speed on this Wiki, I'll check that. Transcend is a term that implies surpassing one's limits or going beyond them, that's essentially the case here. I doubt this would imply the poetic or hyperbolic whatsoever, Mystic Flour's whole ideology is throwing away worldly concerns and desires and acheiving a state of enlightenment, transcending all. (As seen in the 1st paragraph of the OP)
 
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Speed: transcend the passage of time isn't immeasurable speed, it is an umbrella term that could mean many thing, such as people obtain eternal life and thus transcend time, or somethinf it is just that time can't affect them, etc...
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I think this basically shares my thoughts on the matter.
 
Disagree with Immeasurable speed for the reasons above, as it sounds the closest to what it means for the scans given.

Everything else seems fine (as they look simple), but I'm not sure on conceptual manipulation.
 
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I thought transcending time would qualify for Immeasurable speed on this Wiki
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Transcend time did give Immeasurable speed, even though old standard was revised, it is still a supporting evidence for Immeasurable speed if you have other back up evidences. the thing is, your scans didn't say anything like transcend time like you claim, and the full contexts have nothing to do with speed, movement which can give speed rating, like for example this statement:
I have overcome the passage of time by casting away all worldly concerns
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I honestly can't see that "overcome time by casting away worldly concerns" have anything to do with speed, at all

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It's transcending essentially the cycle inside the verse, which is Samsara. It's a cycle, life and death cannot be without rebirth. I'll just put this back as Life and Death Resistance.The verse has Nature, which is a metaphysical entity that creates laws that fuel the world and allow it to exist. The principles of nature are fundamental for existence, is divine balance, with things like the feeling of coldness and warmth coexisting. This has been explained in a previous OP how it extends to all dualities. So Nonduality can be kept. (this mistakes on my behalf for not elaborting on myself, i'll add this to the OP later.)
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again, there is no transcending in the scans like you claimed, that the problem, so yeah, no transduality there

If i have time i will look at CM
 
Vietthai96 said:
Transcend time did give Immeasurable speed, even though old standard was revised, it is still a supporting evidence for Immeasurable speed if you have other back up evidences. the thing is, your scans didn't say anything like transcend time like you claim, and the full contexts have nothing to do with speed, movement which can give speed rating, like for example this statement:

I honestly can't see that "overcome time by casting away worldly concerns" have anything to do with speed, at all


again, there is no transcending in the scans like you claimed, that the problem, so yeah, no transduality there

If i have time i will look at CM
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I've scratched off Immeasurable speed for now. No, Everything is governed by Nature, Nature governs all dualities and reality. She set herself free of death and rebirth. (Also in this case overcome and transcend would be synonymous would one another, shes already been stated to transcend all. The statement alone is vague, but is supported by various evidence.)
 
Whataboutism, Wei Huo have evidences, contexts for life and death being a duality, but what about Cookie??, the scan only say she is free from life and death and rebirth, nothing else
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We aren't arguing that ******* life and death isn't a duality
 
Ar1216789 said:
Concept Manipulation (Type 2): The Beast Cookies have been shown to govern concepts that shape reality. However, this is not on the level of the Guardians. Mystic Flour governs and controls all of Volition and Apathy within the Kingdom Timeline.
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Sure.
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Supernatural Willpower: Dark Cacao Cookie trembled with fear upon his arrival in Beast Yeast, alongside Mystic Flour's power causing him and his sword to tremble uncontrollably. Her fog also caused everyone's willpower to fade into Apathy. Governs the concept of Volition.
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Why is this listed as Supernatural Willpower? This is Fear Manipulation.
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Wish Granting: Mystic Flour has been shown to grant wishes big and small.
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Sounds more like she had magic, and people thought she could grant wishes because of that.
Ar1216789 said:
NonDuality (Type 1): She has transcended Samsara, thus not bounded by the cycle of life, death, and rebirth. Death, life, and rebirth are dualities that are governed by nature. Frost Queen talks about how nature is a divine balance where concepts that contradict each other like coldness and warmth co-exist and it probably extends to all other dualities as the Frost Queen statement uses the cold warning as an example of something greater and we already have confirmation of dualities in the verse.
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Sure.
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Creation: Created the Realm of Apathy.
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Sure.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Sure.

Why is this listed as Supernatural Willpower? This is Fear Manipulation.

Sounds more like she had magic, and people thought she could grant wishes because of that.

Sure.

Sure.
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I'll count your vote, her description was straight-forward and said she was capable of granting wishes to everyone, both big and small.
 
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