Cookie Run 1-A - Realm of Apathy

[Ar1216789]

The Realm of Apathy is described to be a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is set free of burden. Mystic Flour Cookie states it is a world of pure nothingness, and that everything must disappear to make room for true nothingness. The Realm of Apathy is cut off from reality, it stands as the highest point of existence, and those who have achieved enlightenment and have transcended to this realm were described to have transcended all. Worldly possessions hold no power there, and it is described to be above time given the way Mystic Flour Cookie describes it, as well as setting oneself from the perpetual cycle of being baked and crumbled, a cycle akin to a state of Nirvana. In the Realm of Apathy, all meaning is lost. In a state where one becomes unshackled by everything. It's stated to be a world where nothing exists, with its inhabitants achieving a state of ultimate emptiness and complete freedom. Enlightenment is attained by liberation from all things.

Extra links in regards to the 1-A Scaling and Cookie Run cosmology:

Blog explaining Nature and Life Energy.



So, the realm is a void of nothingness, transcending space and time, standing at the highest point of existence above all where abstract concepts and meaning become irrelevant and is above the Physical Realm.

Matching the 1-A description according to the VSBW's Tiering System, as well as matching the nature of 1-A structures.


Agree: 17 (@ActuallySpaceMan42 (STAFF) @Elizhaa (STAFF) @DarkDragonMedeus (STAFF) (Leaning to agree) @GarrixianXD @Chris_faritsu @Astral_Trinity439 @Digital_Franz @Shiedaisthepeak @Infinitinet @Sebas-S.P-san @Yokoahh5743 @Sdjlakjh @Secimatar @Richard5128pm @Udlmaster @Alexander @Wankbreaker )
Disagree: 2 ( @Grabbing_dragon @TheGreatJedi13 )
Neutral: 3 (@IdiosyncraticLawyer (STAFF) (Waiting on Ultima's response) ] @TISSG7Redgrave (STAFF) @Vietthai96 (Leaning towards agreeing) )

 

[Chris_faritsu]

2nd Try at 1-A Cookie Run. A mod told me this could be 1-A, so why not do a CRT.


The Realm of Apathy is described to be a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is set free of burden. Mystic Flour Cookie states it is a world of pure nothingness, and that everything must disappear to make room for true nothingness. The Realm of Apathy is cut off from reality, it stands as the highest point of existence, and those who have achieved enlightenment and have transcended to this realm were described to have transcended all. Worldly possessions hold no power there, and it is described to be above time given the way Mystic Flour Cookie describes it, as well as setting oneself from the cycle of being baked and crumbled, a cycle akin to a state of Nirvana. In the Realm of Apathy, all meaning is lost and Mystic Flour erases all ideas and thought. In a state where one becomes unshackled by everything.
So, the realm is a void of nothingness, transcending space and time, standing at the highest point of existence above all where abstract concepts and meaning become irrelevant and is above the Physical Realm.

Matching the 1-A description according to the VSBW's Tiering System, as well as matching the nature of 1-A structures.

Tl;dr: Mystic Flour erases everything to make room for true nothingness, in a state where one becomes unshackled by everything in a state of transcendence above all person and thing, the realm is the highest point of existence, above all. Those who entered this realm were described to have achieved everything as well.

I disagree that this dimension is the peak of existence in CRK, as the Dream World and Afternoon Tea Set exist above them.

 

[Ar1216789]

I disagree that this dimension is the peak of existence in CRK, as the Dream World and Afternoon Tea Set exist above them.

The Realm of Apathy is void of everything, its nothingness, where you achieve a state of transcendence and achieve everything as described by Beast Yeast Episode 4 and Peach Blossom Cookies quotes. It stand as the highest point of existence, and the Afternoon Tea Set is where the entirety of the cosmology sits upon.

 

[Infinitinet]

Disagree it's a 1-A realm and not just a higher plane of existence which is what it says it is.

 

[Ar1216789]

Disagree it's a 1-A realm and not just a higher plane of existence which is what it says it is.

So, you agree with it being 1-A, but not that its a higher plane of existence? What's the issue, I'm not quite getting it. It exists as the highest point of existence, seperate from reality.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

The Realm of Apathy is described to be a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is set free of burden. Mystic Flour Cookie states it is a world of pure nothingness, and that everything must disappear to make room for true nothingness. The Realm of Apathy is cut off from reality, it stands as the highest point of existence, and those who have achieved enlightenment and have transcended to this realm were described to have transcended all. Worldly possessions hold no power there, and it is described to be above time given the way Mystic Flour Cookie describes it, as well as setting oneself from the cycle of being baked and crumbled, a cycle akin to a state of Nirvana. In the Realm of Apathy, all meaning is lost and Mystic Flour erases all ideas and thought. In a state where one becomes unshackled by everything.
So, the realm is a void of nothingness, transcending space and time, standing at the highest point of existence above all where abstract concepts and meaning become irrelevant and is above the Physical Realm.

I don't think that merely an expression of transcendence would be sufficient. If there isn't a more detailed explanation on the subject, I reject the current context.

 

[Ar1216789]

I don't think that merely an expression of transcendence would be sufficient. If there isn't a more detailed explanation on the subject, I reject the current context.

It's Nirvana at a base level. It stands as the highest, above everything, free of limitation, meaning is lost, above time. Everything must disappear and be above them. (She did this in the story, when she erased everything including ideas)

An Admin told me it's 1-A, and also did you watch the video? You need to watch that since its the entirety of the scale.

It also matches the nature of 1-A structures.

 

[Ar1216789]

Disagree it's a 1-A realm and not just a higher plane of existence which is what it says it is.

Whats your final opinion on this, is it 1-A?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Tl;dr: Mystic Flour erases everything to make room for true nothingness, in a state where one becomes unshackled by everything in a state of transcendence above all person and thing, the realm is the highest point of existence, above all. Those who entered this realm were described to have achieved everything as well.

Yeah, this seems fine. But given the description itself, I think 1-A is somewhat low for this...

as the Dream World and Afternoon Tea Set exist above them.

Tho, I would like some elaboration on this. [Not disagreeing with 1-A tho, something existing above it is not a problem]

 

[Ar1216789]

Yeah, this seems fine. But given the description itself, I think 1-A is somewhat low for this...

Tho, I would like some elaboration on this. [Not disagreeing with 1-A tho, something existing above it is not a problem]

An Admin said its possibly High 1-A, but i'll stick with 1-A for now.

Cookie Run Cosmology is here, it explains everything in depth. Its not updated with the Realm of Apathy yet.

 

[Robo432343]

im not sure
some of the stuff u said doesn't match with what the scans said

 

[Ar1216789]

im not sure
some of the stuff u said doesn't match with what the scans said

Its in correspondance with Buddhism itself.

Roof of the world = highest point of existence

cut off from reality = above the phyical realm (above because the realm requires transcendence to reach it)

Its not exactly the same words, but imply the same thing.

I got confirmation from @GarrixianXD , they checked the scans and assured me its 1A. Here in this thread.

 

[Chris_faritsu]

If this is accepted it will be a 1A dream world, maybe 1A since it is the highest plane of cosmology.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

An Admin said its possibly High 1-A, but i'll stick with 1-A for now.

That's no problem, one can always aim for a higher tier later I suppose.

Cookie Run Cosmology is here, it explains everything in depth. Its not updated with the Realm of Apathy yet.

Reading the Realm of Apathy part and the Dream World part, I will ask this straight forward. Is the RoA above the World of Dreams, and above every other thing in the cosmology? [since its called the "Highest point of existence"].

 

[Ar1216789]

That's no problem, one can always aim for a higher tier later I suppose.

Reading the Realm of Apathy part and the Dream World part, I will ask this straight forward. Is the RoA above the World of Dreams, and above every other thing in the cosmology? [since its called the "Highest point of existence"].

Yes, the Realm stands as the highest point of existence. Proven in-game and Buddhism-inspired, it should be obvious that Mystic Flour has Buddhist and Nihilistic ideologies, and the fact she is a Buddha and has achieved Nirvana at a base level. Also, I'm pretty sure this wouldn't matter anyway.. a 1-A realm can be next to a 4D realm.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I think the minimum here is 1-A since it meets the requirements for being a Void of Nothingness among other things. The fact that it exists above all makes the case less complex.

 

[Ar1216789]

I think the minimum here is 1-A since it meets the requirements for being a Void of Nothingness among other things. The fact that it exists above all makes the case less complex.

Thats good, thanks for your opinion, i jus hope the staff get here fast cuz this is pretty simple and uncontroversial

 

[Digital_Franz]

Thats good, thanks for your opinion, i jus hope the staff get here fast cuz this is pretty simple and uncontroversial

Ultima's opinion will be needed first.

 

[Ar1216789]

Ultima's opinion will be needed first.

Do you think Ultima will accept it

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Do you think Ultima will accept it

If there aren't any anti-feats that you might have missed, then I don't think so.

I think the minimum here is 1-A since it meets the requirements for being a Void of Nothingness among other things. The fact that it exists above all makes the case less complex.

Pretty much, there's also the World of Dreams thingy which according to the cosmology sandbox is an R>F hierarchy....
Given that Dualities also exist in-verse, and many other things, like how its a point where one looses even their self identity and is free from all restrictions[and transcends everything] makes it far more complex and higher. Imo it could easily reach High 1-A under correct wording.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Pretty much, there's also the World of Dreams thingy which according to the cosmology sandbox is an R>F hierarchy....
Given that Dualities also exist in-verse, and many other things, like how its a point where one looses even their self identity and is free from all restrictions[and transcends everything] makes it far more complex and higher. Imo it could easily reach High 1-A under correct wording.

The R>F thing didn't work apparently. I don't like to imply the Duality of Reality and Fiction without it being directly mentioned.

 

[Ar1216789]

If there aren't any anti-feats that you might have missed, then I don't think so.

Pretty much, there's also the World of Dreams thingy which according to the cosmology sandbox is an R>F hierarchy....
Given that Dualities also exist in-verse, and many other things, like how its a point where one looses even their self identity and is free from all restrictions[and transcends everything] makes it far more complex and higher. Imo it could easily reach High 1-A under correct wording.

I'll go with 1-A for now, High 1-A can be for later, since 1-A is already big for the verse. L1-C from 1-A is a big jump

 

[Ar1216789]

The R>F thing didn't work apparently. I don't like to imply the Duality of Reality and Fiction without it being directly mentioned.

He's talking about the dream transcendences in Cookie Run, not the R>F from before. I think he's talking about this.

s. The Crunchy Express which allows traversing within these dreams is capable of traversing one to any station imaginable. Dreams continuously layer upon one another, Cookies fall asleep and wake up continuously, creating layers of dreams. This can likely go on for an infinite, as seen by Moonlight Cookie.

 

[Chris_faritsu]

bump

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

L1-C from 1-A is a big jump

Well... I have seen a Low 1-C to High 1-A+ and tier 0 jump so... xD

The R>F thing didn't work apparently.

Pretty much this:

s. The Crunchy Express which allows traversing within these dreams is capable of traversing one to any station imaginable. Dreams continuously layer upon one another, Cookies fall asleep and wake up continuously, creating layers of dreams. This can likely go on for an infinite, as seen by Moonlight Cookie.

I don't like to imply the Duality of Reality and Fiction without it being directly mentioned.

I was rather just talking about duality in general[yin yang].... so that Apathy would be a kind of nondual state of Nirvana

 

[Ar1216789]

Well... I have seen a Low 1-C to High 1-A+ and tier 0 jump so... xD

Pretty much this:


I was rather just talking about duality in general[yin yang].... so that Apathy would be a kind of nondual state of Nirvana

Sugar Gnome views the entire cosmology as a game so boundless for viewing 1-A cosmology as an game


gg

 

[Ar1216789]

bump

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Sugar Gnome views the entire cosmology as a game so boundless for viewing 1-A cosmology as an game

This could be immersion, so making a quick decision wouldn't be very reasonable.

An Admin told me it's 1-A, and also did you watch the video? You need to watch that since its the entirety of the scale.

If any admin's (I don't know who it is, and there is no insult to the person) comment were truly always valid, every admin CRT wouldn't be up for debate. This, in itself, is a logical fallacy.

It's Nirvana at a base level. It stands as the highest, above everything, free of limitation, meaning is lost, above time. Everything must disappear and be above them. (She did this in the story, when she erased everything including ideas)

I read the entire CRT from start to finish, and aside from the last part, the rest didn't make much sense. However, the last part is something possible for Tier 1A. But to be honest, I think this is L1A, not 1A. If there are no other contexts, I will accept this as L1A.

 

[Ar1216789]

This could be immersion, so making a quick decision wouldn't be very reasonable.

I was joking.

If any admin's (I don't know who it is, and there is no insult to the person) comment were truly always valid, every admin CRT wouldn't be up for debate. This, in itself, is a logical fallacy.

An admin opinion is the most valuable, and I've had 0 disagrees. I'm not saying that if an admin is correct, the entire CRT is automatically correct, which is why I need 3 Admin votes, and member votes can give their opinion on the CRT.

I read the entire CRT from start to finish, and aside from the last part, the rest didn't make much sense. However, the last part is something possible for Tier 1A. But to be honest, I think this is L1A, not 1A. If there are no other contexts, I will accept this as L1A.

Its Nirvana. You exist in the highest point of existence, transcending all in a state where you have "acheived everything", and are above everything. Its above space and time and all meaning is lost there.

 

[Chris_faritsu]

If this passes what will happen? Realm of Apathy becomes 1A dream world becomes 1A and the nature becomes 1A or to be honest I can't find a scan that says roa is the highest dimension since it's just the roof of the world and it's just part of the nature.

 

[Ar1216789]

If this passes what will happen? Realm of Apathy becomes 1A dream world becomes 1A and the nature becomes 1A or to be honest I can't find a scan that says roa is the highest dimension since it's just the roof of the world and it's just part of the nature.

The Realm transcends the normal universe, it's the highest point of existence, topping everything below it. Nature is everything, and is above everything, as without Nature, nothing can exist. The world here is obviously talking about more than the universe, if it were the highest of the universe, that wouldn't make sense. (Seeing as it would be a universe in a universe?)

Also, I don't think it being the highest point of existence is important to the scaling. a 1-A realm can be next to a 4-D one.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I was joking.

oh mb sorry for taking serious

An admin opinion is the most valuable, and I've had 0 disagrees. I'm not saying that if an admin is correct, the entire CRT is automatically correct, which is why I need 3 Admin votes, and member votes can give their opinion on the CRT.

I'm not saying your opinions are worthless, but defending this as absolutely true just because 'there's admin approval' seems a bit silly to me. Of course, that's just my opinion.

Its Nirvana. You exist in the highest point of existence, transcending all in a state where you have "acheived everything", and are above everything. Its above space and time and all meaning is lost there.

I'm neutral for now, but you can count me as in favor of 1A.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yeah, I see this as maybe Low 1-C, at most.

• The Realm of Apathy is described to be a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is set free of burden.
  • Doesn't scale anywhere.
• Mystic Flour Cookie states it is a world of pure nothingness, and that everything must disappear to make room for true nothingness.
  • Doesn't scale anywhere.
• The Realm of Apathy is cut off from reality, it stands as the highest point of existence, and those who have achieved enlightenment and have transcended to this realm were described to have transcended all.
  • This is what makes it potentially Low 1-C, since being cut off from reality, being the highest point in the world, and being said to transcend all, are some useful statements.
• Worldly possessions hold no power there, and it is described to be above time given the way Mystic Flour Cookie describes it, as well as setting oneself from the cycle of being baked and crumbled, a cycle akin to a state of Nirvana. In the Realm of Apathy, all meaning is lost and Mystic Flour erases all ideas and thought. In a state where one becomes unshackled by everything.
  • Overcoming time, and being unshackled by everything lends credence to the transcedence statements from before.

All in all, I would say this is not enough for 1-A or Low 1-A, but Low 1-C.

 

[Ar1216789]

Yeah, I see this as maybe Low 1-C, at most.

• The Realm of Apathy is described to be a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is set free of burden.
  • Doesn't scale anywhere.
• Mystic Flour Cookie states it is a world of pure nothingness, and that everything must disappear to make room for true nothingness.
  • Doesn't scale anywhere.
• The Realm of Apathy is cut off from reality, it stands as the highest point of existence, and those who have achieved enlightenment and have transcended to this realm were described to have transcended all.
  • This is what makes it potentially Low 1-C, since being cut off from reality, being the highest point in the world, and being said to transcend all, are some useful statements.
• Worldly possessions hold no power there, and it is described to be above time given the way Mystic Flour Cookie describes it, as well as setting oneself from the cycle of being baked and crumbled, a cycle akin to a state of Nirvana. In the Realm of Apathy, all meaning is lost and Mystic Flour erases all ideas and thought. In a state where one becomes unshackled by everything.
  • Overcoming time, and being unshackled by everything lends credence to the transcedence statements from before.

All in all, I would say this is not enough for 1-A or Low 1-A, but Low 1-C.

According to our tiering system, transcendence over space and time as the highest point of existence, and topping everything else below it, indeed qualifies for 1-A. Especially since the description mentioned abstract concepts and all meanings being irrelevant, and the realm itself is nothingness with the addition to be expressed to transcend space and time, 1-A does seem like an appropriate tier, the fact this is Nirvana on its base level, and Mystic Flour cookies wishes to turn everything to nothing and become free of all limitations, and transcending all. (This is from an admin who told me how its 1-A)

It's close to qualitative transcendence and its Nirvana. It also matches the nature of 1-A structures

 

[Digital_Franz]

Yeah, I see this as maybe Low 1-C, at most.

• The Realm of Apathy is described to be a world of nothingness, a world where every Cookie is set free of burden.
  • Doesn't scale anywhere.
• Mystic Flour Cookie states it is a world of pure nothingness, and that everything must disappear to make room for true nothingness.
  • Doesn't scale anywhere.
• The Realm of Apathy is cut off from reality, it stands as the highest point of existence, and those who have achieved enlightenment and have transcended to this realm were described to have transcended all.
  • This is what makes it potentially Low 1-C, since being cut off from reality, being the highest point in the world, and being said to transcend all, are some useful statements.
• Worldly possessions hold no power there, and it is described to be above time given the way Mystic Flour Cookie describes it, as well as setting oneself from the cycle of being baked and crumbled, a cycle akin to a state of Nirvana. In the Realm of Apathy, all meaning is lost and Mystic Flour erases all ideas and thought. In a state where one becomes unshackled by everything.
  • Overcoming time, and being unshackled by everything lends credence to the transcedence statements from before.

All in all, I would say this is not enough for 1-A or Low 1-A, but Low 1-C.

Spoiler: Yap

As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar. However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

There are usually anti-feats that can disqualify this type of realm from being 1-A but here there are no such anti-feats because the conditions to access it are already set and no one has yet done otherwise.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This is what makes it potentially Low 1-C, since being cut off from reality, being the highest point in the world, and being said to transcend all, are some useful statements.

I don't think Low 1-C is even applicable here. Since Low 1-C is still something spatio-temporal, 5-dimensional to be exact, while in this case its a realm of nothingness, a void.
And given that its not inferior to the normal reality but rather superior, I think 1-A should be applicable here.

As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar. However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Furthermore, keep in mind that Type 2 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (In particular the latter variant) is not simply a combination of a non-dimensional state of existence and greater raw power than all dimensional structures in a cosmology – Though that is a necessary condition to qualify for it, it is not a sufficient one. Instead, the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the character/realm's superiority over dimensions. A simple example being voids of nothingness that lack space, time and physicality entirely, but are nonetheless "vaster" than physical reality in some way, with common imagery being the universe as a small object encompassed in such a backdrop.

 

[Ar1216789]

I guess we will have to wait on Ultima.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Reading over it again, I can see the arguments now.

 

[Ar1216789]

Reading over it again, I can see the arguments now.

LMK on ur vote once your done.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

LMK on ur vote once your done.

I agree.