Control Devil vs The Sun Princess (GRACE)

[GodEarh206]

Rule:
• Speed was Equalization
• Battle took in Tokyo

Makima: 2

Priscilla Barielle: 8​

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Are we deadass? Almost 1Mx gap?

 

[Zabazab]

Almost 1Mx gap?

To be fair, AP isn't really an issue given both characters use durability negation & can transfer damage.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Looks like Makima has some pretty trash dura neg.
Priscilla does a sneeze and Makima is obliterated.

 

[That_moron2]

Following

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[That_moron2]

Priscilla does a sneeze and Makima is obliterated.

Makima has regen

 

[AThe1412]

Looks like Makima has some pretty trash dura neg.
Priscilla does a sneeze and Makima is obliterated.

Tell me you only looked at the tier of the characters and nothing else without telling me you only looked at the tier of the characters and nothing else.

 

[Zabazab]

This could be interesting. In cqc Priscilla destroys because her sword can incinerate the soul with the sightest touch. Makima has dura neg she can use at a distance, but Priscilla can use Soul Marriage to pass that damage to beloved objects.

So it's basically "Can Priscilla hit Makima before she runs out of objects to use Soul Marriage on?"

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[OriginFox]

Makimas standard tactics is putting her opponent under her control. I'm not seeing any resistance to that on Priscilla page.

 

[AThe1412]

Makimas standard tactics is putting her opponent under her control. I'm not seeing any resistance to that on Priscilla page.

"Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, & Empathic Manipulation (Resisted Sirius's Authority of Wrath)"

 

[Robo432343]

Tell me you only looked at the tier of the characters and nothing else without telling me you only looked at the tier of the characters and nothing else.

fr

 

[OriginFox]

"Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, & Empathic Manipulation (Resisted Sirius's Authority of Wrath)"

How good is her resistance? Makima is able to affect Yoru who can remember concepts being erased.

If that does fail what's her response to Makima shooting her out to space?

 

[AThe1412]

How good is her resistance? Makima is able to affect Yoru who can remember concepts being erased.

If that does fail what's her response to Makima shooting her out to space?

Remembering the erased devils is resistance to memory manipulation, not mind manipulation.

Something along the lines of Re:Zero characters being able to see invisible attacks and are skilled enough to dodge danmaku.

 

[Zabazab]

How good is her resistance? Makima is able to affect Yoru who can remember concepts being erased.

Completely unaffected by the Authority of Wrath, a power that twists the mind and soul upon merely knowing the user exists and bypasses things like the Divine Protection of Nightmares (which fights off brainwashing and attacks upon the mind). Basically it's a good enough resistance.

If that does fail what's her response to Makima shooting her out to space?

She'd have to be under Priscilla to do that.

 

[GodEarh206]

I'm waiting for someone who can give a win-con for both sides.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Priscilla out skills and ggs Makima with one quick attack while Priscilla resists 2+ layers of mind manipulation

 

[OriginFox]

Completely unaffected by the Authority of Wrath, a power that twists the mind and soul upon merely knowing the user exists and bypasses things like the Divine Protection of Nightmares (which fights off brainwashing and attacks upon the mind). Basically it's a good enough resistance.


She'd have to be under Priscilla to do that.

Shouldn't be an issue unless Priscilla has resistance

 

[AThe1412]

Shouldn't be an issue unless Priscilla has resistance

She does. It's been mentioned twice. Also, I'm pretty sure Makima can't use mind hax against someone she doesn't view as inferior to her (and she doesn't even bother doing it against those who are too inferior).

 

[Mickey1940]

Makima also has numerous hax that can 1 shot outside of mind manip

so it's really a matter of can Makima hax her before Priscilla gets close enough to hit her with the Yang Sword

starting distance is 4 KM, and Makima's Mind Manip range is interdimensional, so Makima uses control immediately and instantly realizes it doesn't f*kin work and instantly uses anything else to close the victory

Like once Priscilla is in her sight range Makima just does this and Priscilla's necklace explodes

Makima does it 3 more times and Priscilla just dies

I also see no reason why Makima's damage transferral won't work here. If the Yang Sword hits her, she just transfers everything to some random person in Japan, soul burning flames and all

voting Makima unless I'm wrong about the soul damage stuff

 

[Zabazab]

I also see no reason why Makima's damage transferral won't work here. If the Yang Sword hits her, she just transfers everything to some random person in Japan, soul burning flames and all

The Yang Sword cuts only what the wielder wishes it to cut, and burns only what the wielder wishes to burn. I think trying to transfer the flames would do nothing to the transferred target (since they have not been chosen to burn), and would just result in Makima continuing to burn.

The Witch had fallen back with agile movements, however, one tuft of her pink hair had been cut by the flash of the Yang Sword―― that instant, Sphinx’s whole body ignited.

And, that was not just the Sphinx who had been cut; the fire also spread to the Sphinx whom she herself had shot and reduced to dust, as well as the Sphinx who had been turning into an amethyst crystal.

――The Yang Sword Vollachia had decided to burn the Witch, Sphinx, to naught.

The result of that, was the burning figures of the Sphinxes. Enveloped in a blaze, it probably would have been best to keep vigilance over Sphinx as she struggled in vain before she was reduced to ashes, but――

“‘Tis unnecessary. Being scorched by the flame of the Yang Sword, is precisely that sort of thing.” –Volume 37, Chapter 9, "Sphinx"

The blade of the Yang Sword that had reached the Witch, Sphinx, delivered a scintillating flame to the bearer of the Great Disaster who had been resurrected as an undead; the several Sphinxes that were facing off against Vincent’s group, the Sphinx waiting in the Crystal Palace, the Sphinxes observing each battlefield of the Imperial Capital, and the countless Sphinxes that ought to have been launching attacks all throughout the Empire, all burst into flame simultaneously.

“――Countermeasures: Required.”

While being scorched by the bright-red flames, the Sphinx who had been cut, muttered so. But, even if she made use of the undead’s advantage of meagerly feeling pain, she would not be able to hold out for long with herself being burnt to a crisp.

In that case, would she abandon the several bodies that had already been scorched, and proceed with the plan as a new Sphinx, having learned from this Death? ――No, that would be impossible.

The flame of the Yang Sword was burning Sphinx’s very soul.

Even if she tried to create a new undead version of herself, as long as the foundation that was her soul remained burning, it would be impossible to prevent the earthen body from burning as it was created.
–Volume 37, Intermission, "Witch"

 

[Entity]

The Yang Sword cuts only what the wielder wishes it to cut, and burns only what the wielder wishes to burn. I think trying to transfer the flames would do nothing to the transferred target (since they have not been chosen to burn), and would just result in Makima continuing to burn.

Makima's damage transfer is different, she just regenerates from the injuries and a random japanese is truck by illness or burns in a housefire or another incident, they're not hurt by Priscilla's flames

 

[Mickey1940]

The Yang Sword cuts only what the wielder wishes it to cut, and burns only what the wielder wishes to burn. I think trying to transfer the flames would do nothing to the transferred target (since they have not been chosen to burn), and would just result in Makima continuing to burn.

But Makima would just transfer the damage regardless

Makima would actively take the burn damage, but the damage itself is already done, and she would just transfer the damage itself to her target, not the flames

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[Epiccheev]

Seems like a win for the flamenco dress FRA

 

[AThe1412]

Makima's damage transferral and resurrection is noted to be Mid-High at best on the profile. Any proof of her being able to transfer and heal damage to the soul?

 

[OriginFox]

Makima's damage transferral and resurrection is noted to be Mid-High at best on the profile. Any proof of her being able to transfer and heal damage to the soul?

I'd argue that Makima or Devils in general don't have souls since they are born from fears instead of being biological in the traditional sense.

 

[AThe1412]

I'd argue that Makima or Devils in general don't have souls since they are born from fears instead of being biological in the traditional sense.

That's a bold claim. How exactly does it proof that they don't have souls? I would prefer direct evidence of them being soulless.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

i am going priscilla fra if there is no counter to soul erasure

 

[OriginFox]

That's a bold claim. How exactly does it proof that they don't have souls? I would prefer direct evidence of them being soulless.

The direct evidence is the nature of how devils exists. Devils exists as forms given shape from things humans fear. It doesn't make any sense to assume they have souls. As far as I recall CSM does not mention souls or anything related.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

if no souls have been mentioned then it is assumed that they have it but nobody in the verse has access to soul manipulation

 

[OriginFox]

if no souls have been mentioned then it is assumed that they have it but nobody in the verse has access to soul manipulation

Is there a post on this?

Still not a reason to assume Devils have souls since they are Abstract beings.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Pricilla fra

She just burns Makima soul.

 

[AThe1412]

Is there a post on this?

Still not a reason to assume Devils have souls since they are Abstract beings.

Abstract Existence

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even...

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Makima is an Abstract Type 2. Nothing says they don't have souls and they can still be affected without needing to interact with the abstraction.

 

[OriginFox]

Abstract Existence

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even...

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Makima is an Abstract Type 2. Nothing says they don't have souls and they can still be affected without needing to interact with the abstraction.

Stil dont see why this would warrant devils having souls.

 

[AThe1412]

Stil dont see why this would warrant devils having souls.

We don't need to provide proof that Devils have souls because a living being unless proven otherwise is assumed to have one. You on the other hand need to prove that they don't. The burden of proof is on you.

 

[OriginFox]

We don't need to provide proof that Devils have souls because a living being unless proven otherwise is assumed to have one. You on the other hand need to prove that they don't. The burden of proof is on you.

Under what basis is that assumption founded on? The concept of souls as far as I recall is never mentioned once in CSM despite heavy portrayal of the supernatural. Furthermore, Devils arent living beings in the tradtional sense but are the embodiment of fear given form making their exsitence tied to their concept not life that souls would be in.