Common Editing Mistakes Revision

[Tllmbrg]

Currently we have colon be included inside bolded text, yet nothing is said about semicolons.
I propose that we put semicolons inside as well for consistency sake, I see no reason why we'd have one in and not the other.

 

[FinePoint]

In what situation would you have a semicolon inside bolded text?

 

[Tllmbrg]

@Just a Random Butler @Antvasima @QrowBarr @Shadowbokunohero @Crazylatin77 @Zaratthustra @ElixirBlue @Nehz_XZX @Therefir @IdiosyncraticLawyer @Catzlaflame @TWILIGHT-OP @Random-Helper323 @YmTheSuper @EddisherSound @Kaydee1648
Gonna tag all the content moderators for this, since it's an editing standard (Plus Ant).

 

[Tllmbrg]

In what situation would you have a semi-colon inside bolded text?

Stuff like '''Type 1;''' rather than '''Type 1''';

 

[FinePoint]

Stuff like '''Type 1;''' rather than '''Type 1''';

Well, bolding the colon keeps a consistent style for bullet-style organization, like:

Attack Potency: At least Wall Level.

But a semicolon would be necessarily embedded inside of a full sentence, so I'm not sure it would look proper bolded. For example:

Characters of this nature qualify for Type 1; they lack the qualifications for Type 2.

Doesn't it feel weird to have the semicolon bolded there? It makes it feel like it's part of Type 1.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Well, bolding the colon keeps a consistent style for bullet-style organization, like:

Attack Potency: At least Wall Level.

But a semicolon would be necessarily embedded inside of a full sentence, so I'm not sure it would look proper bolded. For example:

Characters of this nature qualify for Type 1; they lack the qualifications for Type 2.

Doesn't it feel weird to have the semicolon bolded there? It makes it feel like it's part of Type 1.

Why would you bold both of these to begin with?
Generally 90% of pages are just bolding the first portion, it's generally something like Immortality (Type 1, 5, 8; ....) and so on.
Plus, if bullet style is the reason for this, wouldn't that mean bullet style P&A regardless should do that for that for consistent standards?

 

[FinePoint]

Why would you bold both of these to begin with?
Generally 90% of pages are just bolding the first portion, it's generally something like Immortality (Type 1, 5, 8; ....) and so on.
Plus, if bullet style is the reason for this, wouldn't that mean bullet style P&A regardless should do that for that for consistent standards?

For emphasis. Once we've established something as a buzzword we tend to bold it even throughout the page.

For example: "Tier: 5-B, higher with Stronger Ninjutsu, 5-B with Kurama Sage Mode, higher with Stronger Ninjutsu and when Condensing Chakra, 5-B with Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode, higher with Tailed Beast Chakra, even higher with Rasengan Variants"

And as far as I know, bullet-style P&As do bold each power, but not all the explanation text and other punctuation.

That said, the random example I pulled up does bold the semicolon already.

"Soul Magic (Innate; Magic is inherent to all beings. Is capable of siphoning magic and life energy from opponents"

So if it's already common practice I suppose it wouldn't hurt to solidify it as a standard.

 

[Tllmbrg]

So if it's already common practice I suppose it wouldn't hurt to solidify it as a standard.

I think it would also just be less confusing anyway, since really I doubt the average editor was even aware of the difference, I think the intuitive assumption is if one type gets put in, the other does as well.

 

[Kaydee1648]

I don’t think there should be a strict standard when it comes to formatting preferences, and what this thread is proposing falls into that category. Enforcing rules that require bold formatting for punctuation, especially when it isn’t part of a header, feels a bit unnecessary.

On top of that, wouldn’t it be impractical to apply this consistently across tens of thousands of pages?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I don't think Semi colons should be bolded, we typically try to avoid bolding punctuation in general.

 

[Tllmbrg]

On top of that, wouldn’t it be impractical to apply this consistently across tens of thousands of pages?

I don't see the issue in applying this when we needed to mass edit pages when we started to bold the stamina, range, and intelligence ratings in a similar, if not even larger scale.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

That said, the random example I pulled up does bold the semicolon already.

"Soul Magic (Innate; Magic is inherent to all beings. Is capable of siphoning magic and life energy from opponents"

So if it's already common practice I suppose it wouldn't hurt to solidify it as a standard.

This may simply be a matter of luck. I tried a random page and had the opposite experience. The most likely reason others do it the opposite way is that the semicolons are simply separating elements and are not part of the label itself.

Regarding the thread as a whole, I'm not particularly inclined to set a strict standard for this, but if I had to choose, I would go with the version where the semicolon is not bolded. This approach has practical value.

Keeping the punctuation outside the bold, as in '''Type 1''';, is especially useful for mass edits and regex-based projects. By separating the label from the punctuation, you can reliably match just the term without worrying about variations in terminology that may or may not include semicolons, since not every term will have a semicolon immediately following it when multiple types appear in a justification block (only the last one would).

In large-scale revision projects, this approach makes find-and-replace operations cleaner, reduces the risk of errors, and simplifies regex patterns, making them easier for users handling automated or bulk edits. Whenever possible, it's best to keep formatting simple to reduce complexity for both current and future users working on these tasks.

 

[Tllmbrg]

So the votes so far are:

Semicolon inside the bolding
@Tllmbrg , @FinePoint

Semicolon inside the bolding
@Just a Random Butler (If a standard has to come)

To not enforce a strict standard either way
@Just a Random Butler, @Kaydee1648

I have no idea what Medeus actually voted for.

 

[FinePoint]

Keeping the punctuation outside the bold, as in '''Type 1''';, is especially useful for mass edits and regex-based projects. By separating the label from the punctuation, you can reliably match just the term without worrying about variations in terminology that may or may not include semicolons, since not every term will have a semicolon immediately following it when multiple types appear in a justification block (only the last one would).

In large-scale revision projects, this approach makes find-and-replace operations cleaner, reduces the risk of errors, and simplifies regex patterns, making them easier for users handling automated or bulk edits. Whenever possible, it's best to keep formatting simple to reduce complexity for both current and future users working on these tasks.

Well if there's a technical reason that outside is a lot better, then it's hard to argue with that.

So if the usage is currently mixed, it's probably best to start encouraging keeping it outside.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Punctuation usually doesn't get bolded at all. Even colons are only bolded sometimes, usually for headers.

 

[Planck69]

I'm of the same opinion as FinePoint on this.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Well I guess I'll swap into "I'd rather have no standard" than enforce one, Butler said it's only a margin benefit anyways.

 

[SomebodyData]

So the votes so far are:

Semicolon inside the bolding
@Tllmbrg , @FinePoint

Semicolon inside the bolding
@Just a Random Butler (If a standard has to come)

To not enforce a strict standard either way
@Just a Random Butler, @Kaydee1648

I have no idea what Medeus actually voted for.

Add me with Just a Random Butler on both points.

Btw, think you have a typo, currently says "Semicolon inside the bolding" twice

 

[Tllmbrg]

So the votes so far are:

Semicolon outside the bolding
None

Semicolon inside the bolding
@Just a Random Butler, @SomebodyData (If a standard has to come), @FinePoint

To not enforce a strict standard either way
@Just a Random Butler, @Kaydee1648, @SomebodyData , @Tllmbrg

I have no idea what Medeus actually voted for.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I also prefer placing the semicolon inside the bolding, tho I am not very strict with this. So yeah, either option works.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

My opinion is more in line with Kaydee and Just a Random Butler

 

[Tllmbrg]

Semicolon outside the bolding
Tllmbrg, TWILIGHT-OP

Semicolon inside the bolding
Just a Random Butler, SomebodyData, DarkDragonMedeus (If a standard has to come), FinePoint

To not enforce a strict standard either way
Just a Random Butler, Kaydee1648, SomebodyData, Tllmbrg, DarkDragonMedeus, TWILIGHT-OP

 

[Antvasima]

I very strongly think that semicolons should be placed outside of bolded text as we have previously systematically done.

We only allow bolded colons because it looks clearer and more consistent in the beginning of statistics, as well as because it would cause enormous amounts of unnecessary work to change it at this point, and that is it, whereas bolded semicolons would cause an ugly inconsistency in our labelling structure, as detailed above, and would also cause enormous amounts of incoherence in our pages until we have spent enormous amounts of wholly unproductive and unnecessary work applying the change.

We simply forgot to mention this in our common editing mistakes page, due to focusing on including more pressing problems at the time.

So, again, I definitely very strongly oppose this suggested change. My apologies.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

Semicolon outside the bolding
Tllmbrg, TWILIGHT-OP

Semicolon inside the bolding
Just a Random Butler, SomebodyData, DarkDragonMedeus (If a standard has to come), FinePoint

To not enforce a strict standard either way
Just a Random Butler, Kaydee1648, SomebodyData, Tllmbrg, DarkDragonMedeus, TWILIGHT-OP

I think the sections here got a bit mixed up.

The first section should be inside the bolding, and the second section should be outside. I don't recall voting for having the semicolons inside the bolding after all.

I very strongly think that semicolons should be placed outside of bolded text as we have previously systematically done.

We only allow bolded colons because it looks clearer and more consistent in the beginning of statistics, as well as because it would cause enormous amounts of unnecessary work to change it at this point, and that is it, whereas bolded semicolons would cause an ugly inconsistency in our labelling structure, as detailed above, and would also cause enormous amounts of incoherence in our pages until we have spent enormous amounts of wholly unproductive and unnecessary work applying the change.

We simply forgot to mention this in our common editing mistakes page, due to focusing on including more pressing problems at the time.

So, again, I definitely very strongly oppose this suggested change. My apologies.

So, what should we do here next?

How many more inputs are needed to arrive at a valid verdict?

 

[Tllmbrg]

The first section should be inside the bolding, and the second section should be outside. I don't recall voting for having the semicolons inside the bolding after all.

Oops, don't know how that happened, yah it somehow got reversed lol.

 

[Antvasima]

Both options in your post are listed as "semicolons inside the bolding"...

 

[Antvasima]

So, what should we do here next?

How many more inputs are needed to arrive at a valid verdict?

Well, this would be an outright destructive change to our wiki, so I think that it seems like a very very bad idea, and ask that all staff members here read my arguments that I posted above.

 

[Agnaa]

I vote for semicolon outside. I think it looks better.

 

[FinePoint]

I'm a little confused with the tally situation, so just to clarify my current opinion would be semicolons outside as well.

 

[Catzlaflame]

Aye, I say leave 'em out.

I don’t think there should be a strict standard when it comes to formatting preferences, and what this thread is proposing falls into that category.

No, there definitely should be. The wiki's many mass editing projects have been hampered countless times because of these "formatting preferences." Having consistency across the pages, at least on a skeletal level, makes it so much easier to program bots to make edits. A large part of why I made the Common Ediitng Mistakes page with a petty level of standardization was cus of how annoying it was accounting for all the minor discrepancies during these projects; silent raging if you will.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I prefer semicolons being placed outside, so I'm voting that.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to do a proper counting here please?

 

[Kaydee1648]

Semicolon inside the bolding
Tllmbrg, TWILIGHT-OP

Semicolon outside the bolding
Just a Random Butler, SomebodyData, DarkDragonMedeus (If a standard has to come), FinePoint, Antvasima, YmTheSuper, Catzaflame, Agnaa

To not enforce a strict standard either way
Just a Random Butler, Kaydee1648, SomebodyData, Tllmbrg, DarkDragonMedeus, TWILIGHT-OP

So it’s a 2-8-6

If I had to vote based on personal preference, I’d say outside the bolding. In general, I don’t think there should be a strict standard like I said earlier, but Catzla has a point about the wiki mass-editing script and how it recognizes consistent formatting.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

Aye, I say leave 'em out.

No, there definitely should be. The wiki's many mass editing projects have been hampered countless times because of these "formatting preferences." Having consistency across the pages, at least on a skeletal level, makes it so much easier to program bots to make edits. A large part of why I made the Common Ediitng Mistakes page with a petty level of standardization was cus of how annoying it was accounting for all the minor discrepancies during these projects; silent raging if you will.

Huh, what a neat little surprise, someone with the same reasoning. And you're back?!

If people aren't actually that averse to having this as the new standard, then I wouldn't mind if we made this a standard.

 

[Antvasima]

Semicolon inside the bolding
Tllmbrg, TWILIGHT-OP

Semicolon outside the bolding
Just a Random Butler, SomebodyData, DarkDragonMedeus (If a standard has to come), FinePoint, Antvasima, YmTheSuper, Catzaflame, Agnaa

To not enforce a strict standard either way
Just a Random Butler, Kaydee1648, SomebodyData, Tllmbrg, DarkDragonMedeus, TWILIGHT-OP

So it’s a 2-8-6

If I had to vote based on personal preference, I’d say outside the bolding. In general, I don’t think there should be a strict standard like I said earlier, but Catzla has a point about the wiki mass-editing script and how it recognizes consistent formatting.

Thank you for helping out.

Should we apply the result here as a new rule then?

 

[Tllmbrg]

Thank you for helping out.

Should we apply the result here as a new rule then?

Is there a chance we can have a bot mass edit pages to correct or is unfeasible to do?

 

[Antvasima]

Is there a chance we can have a bot mass edit pages to correct or is unfeasible to do?

I do not know.

@Just a Random Butler @IdiosyncraticLawyer

What do you think?

 

[Just a Random Butler]

I'm honestly not sure.

Since we're talking about correcting the formatting of all abilities with types in general (not like only one or two ability), I think there are way too many variables involved, and handling it properly would require taking note of all variations across every type of ability to ensure that no unrelated text gets affected by automated edits, which I do not have the time for.

I think the safest approach is to just correct the formatting on pages as you encounter them, especially since this change is not as urgent as the previous ones.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I'm honestly not sure.

Since we're talking about correcting the formatting of all abilities with types in general (not like only one or two ability), I think there are way too many variables involved, and handling it properly would require taking note of all variations across every type of ability to ensure that no unrelated text gets affected by automated edits, which I do not have the time for.

I think the safest approach is to just correct the formatting on pages as you encounter them, especially since this change is not as urgent as the previous ones.

I share this sentiment.

 

[Antvasima]

Butler makes good sense to me as well here.