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In the Battle for Dream Island: Official Character Guide, it's stated that Clock can control his clock hands, but if he lets them move naturally, they are "infinitely powerful." The natural hand movement refers to when they're moving automatically in accordance with the passage of time. The controlled hand movement refers to when Clock freely moves them himself, and most likely also when he keeps them stationary.

Last time someone tried implementing this fact on the profiles, it was botched, but fortunately, the proposal having not been applied seems to mean they went back on it. This infinite power isn't meant to be taken at face value and doesn't have scaling potential. I'll go over why that is the case.
  • The natural movement of Clock's hands specifically having infinite power also means that Clock's controlled hand movement lacks infinite power, and the latter of the two is what Clock normally does and is what other characters normally interact with. This is consistent with quality logic, because if the other characters scaled to Clock's infinite power, it would mean that Clock's controlled movement would also have infinite power, defeating the purpose of differentiating the power of his controlled movement and his natural movement, because they would be the same. Not to mention, the natural movement of Clock's hands having infinite power is considered as a special attribute of Clock specifically, allowing him to accurately tell time no matter what is in his way.
  • As established in the past, scaling Clock's natural hand movement to the Announcer's budget cuts is baseless, because budget cuts are a non-physical force and there are no buzzwords correlating the two. The Announcer's budget cuts being universal in scale and the VS Battles Wiki calling infinite 3D power "High Universe level" isn't evidence officially from BFDI that Clock's "infinitely powerful" natural hand movement scales to the Announcer's universal capabilities. Even without the aforementioned, due to how budget cuts treat the show as a fictional work, having infinite power of a scope within that fictional work wouldn't indicate Clock scaling to them anyway. Additionally, budget cuts, when used for the purpose of threatening the entire series in a way that could only be prevented through interacting with the budget, were portrayed as genuinely all that, which would include destroying Clock's hands no matter what they were doing.
  • If taken at face value with no analysis of the subtext, the statement is merely a hyperbole. However, I think the statement about Clock's natural hand movement has a bit of depth that makes it somewhat more valuable than that.

The word "power" can be used to refer to many other things than "attack potency" or "striking strength." A likely truth is, Clock's hands moving naturally in an "infinitely powerful" way means they have the highest physical priority in the setting, allowing Clock to accurately tell time with absolutely nothing able to physically prevent that from happening by doing something like blocking a hand from proceeding. This implies that Clock has a connection to time itself. A fantastic clock isn't inherently all that grand, but when its ability to tell time is considered as being "infinitely powerful," it gives me the impression that the clock might be magically linked to time.

Here's my proposal to implement the fact from the guide in a way that properly understands the subtext: The natural movement of Clock's hands likely have infinite lifting strength. Clock's "infinitely powerful" hands can use their priority to move anything in the universe out of their way, so they can accurately display time, due to them being implied to have as much authority as time itself in this specific regard.

Also, I establish in this thread that:
 
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IDK much about how these revision threads go, but at a glance this all looks fine and makes enough sense.
Thank you for your input.

The way content revision threads work: In regular circumstances, two staff members who have evaluation power need to approve of the revision in order for it to be considered as accepted. Those are Thread Moderators, Administrators and Bureaucrats. 48 hours of the thread having been initially posted need to pass in order for the implementation of accepted revision proposals to be allowed. The process can be more lenient or more strict depending on how straightforward or controversial the revision proposal is.

In the case of this thread, the regular circumstances apply. Even though the revision only applies to one aspect of one character, this straightforwardness gets canceled out by involving a potentially controversial "infinite power" statement. However, if a revision is certainly controversial, such as revisions involving tier 1 or tier 0, then strictness takes priority, so don't confuse this for necessarily being a matter of balance.
 
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"This rock, this sock
This clock, that tree
All have a great potential for harming me"


Sorry, sorry.

But yeah, I haven't seen the content the content the opening post goes over, I think; I think the extent of my BFDI knowledge extends to watching fan videos months ago, tallying what characters are responsible for what.

Still, having read it, the logic seems sound, so it has my tentative approval, for whatever that's worth.
 
"This rock, this sock
This clock, that tree
All have a great potential for harming me"


Sorry, sorry.
The joke is fitting! No need to apologize.
But yeah, I haven't seen the content the content the opening post goes over, I think; I think the extent of my BFDI knowledge extends to watching fan videos months ago, tallying what characters are responsible for what.

Still, having read it, the logic seems sound, so it has my tentative approval, for whatever that's worth.
Any support is no problem to me. I recommend watching BFDI if you enjoy the drama of characters getting removed little by little until one wins a prize, based on viewer voting.
 
The joke is fitting! No need to apologize.
Lol, thanks. I was apologizing mostly for joking around/memeing in a CRT, & by reposting/referencing a joke/meme I, AFAIK, was the one who 1st brought up & introduced it.
But thanks for the reassurance, nonetheless!
Any support is no problem to me. I recommend watching BFDI if you enjoy the drama of characters getting removed little by little until one wins a prize, based on viewer voting.
Yeah, that could be a way to pass the time.
Apologies for the off-topic, but what's the newest season or such called & when's it from?
 
I don't really agree with Clock's hands being lifting strength-related, as striking something =/= lifting something. The "higher" rating was there for the purpose that Clock is stronger when he lets his hands move naturally, and while the statement that it is literally is an obvious hyperbole, the hands have been consistently portrayed to be much stronger in striking strength when he lets them move naturally.
 
I don't really agree with Clock's hands being lifting strength-related, as striking something =/= lifting something. The "higher" rating was there for the purpose that Clock is stronger when he lets his hands move naturally, and while the statement that it is literally is an obvious hyperbole, the hands have been consistently portrayed to be much stronger in striking strength when he lets them move naturally.
The revision proposal doesn't involve scaling striking strength to lifting strength. This thread's original post even explains why Clock's "infinitely powerful" natural hand movement doesn't count as striking strength, similar to what you replied. Thanks for the input anyway, but you haven't addressed the reason I posted this thread.

Note to avoid confusion: Even though Clock's striking strength does seem to increase when his hands move naturally anyway, that isn't to the "infinitely powerful" degree that was mentioned in the statement about the natural hand movement. If the revision proposal gets accepted, nothing will change about the "higher" rating you mentioned. My argument is that the statement doesn't refer to attack potency nor striking strength in the first place.
 
The revision proposal doesn't involve scaling striking strength to lifting strength. This thread's original post even explains why Clock's "infinitely powerful" natural hand movement doesn't count as striking strength, similar to what you replied. Thanks for the input anyway, but you haven't addressed the reason I posted this thread.
I know that, and I'm saying that I disagree with Clock's hands moving naturally being lifting strength-related as opposed to being striking strength-related.
The word "power" can be used to refer to many other things than "attack potency" or "striking strength." A likely truth is, Clock's hands moving naturally with "infinite power" means they have the highest physical priority in the setting, allowing Clock to accurately tell time with absolutely nothing able to physically prevent that from happening by doing something like blocking a hand from proceeding. This implies that Clock has a connection to time itself. A fantastic clock isn't inherently all that grand, but when its ability to tell time is considered as having "infinite power," it gives me the impression that the clock might be magically linked to time.
There is supplementary evidence that can support this thread's revision proposal, but it's possibly incorrect. During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, Two's plates were rolling away, and this led to them being carried away by moving clouds, which Two reacted to by saying: "Not the clouds accelerating at a faster pace to keep up with the Earth's faster rotation due to a sudden daylight savings change!" Directly after this, Clock said: "My bad!" It is possible that this was just a joke and was an exaggerated reference to how Clock can tell time as a regular clock. It is possible that Clock was only aware of the daylight savings change due to keeping track of it, and apologized only for not pre-emptively alerting Two. However, another valid interpretation is that Clock had accidentally caused the clouds to move due to him having a connection to time's actual effects. This isn't a far-fetched interpretation, because during BFB 3: Why Would You Do This on a Swingset, when it was time for a daylight savings change, Clock's hands gained a huge burst of enhanced speed, and he was using his natural hand movement during the challenge.
This is done through hax, not any physical AP let alone LS rating.
X having been able to catch a basket after Clock launched it to him using his natural hand movement during BFB 1: Getting Teardrop to Talk isn't evidence of X having infinite lifting strength. The point of Clock's natural hand movement having infinite lifting strength is for nothing to be able to block its movement, not that it launches everything with infinite force. If Clock had launched it with infinite force, it would have been striking strength, which is inconsistent based on what has already been explained in this thread.
It just means that Clock's hands naturally moving are much stronger in striking strength, but the infinite part shouldn't be taken literally.
 
I know that, and I'm saying that I disagree with Clock's hands moving naturally being lifting strength-related as opposed to being striking strength-related.
Oh, okay. That counts. It's good that you clarified.
This is done through hax, not any physical AP let alone LS rating.
That's correct, which is why the original post uses it as supplementary evidence to support the proposed narrative, rather than to lead the argument. This supplementary evidence was for presenting a correlation between Clock and time to also demonstrate how the setting acknowledges such a correlation, not for presenting direct proof that Clock's lifting strength is infinite.
It just means that Clock's hands naturally moving are much stronger in striking strength, but the infinite part shouldn't be taken literally.
Your claim is correct by itself. However, the aim of the paragraph the claim responds to was nothing more than to explain why X wouldn't scale to Clock's lifting strength based on the feat of launching the basket. Does this imply that you believe the occurrence is more important than I make it out to be? Like, do you believe Clock's natural hand movement launching X's basket whereas Needle couldn't bump it upward is solid evidence that Clock's natural hand movement strictly uses striking strength? If so, then why shouldn't Clock's natural hand movement be ranked as having "higher" attack potency / striking strength based on that feat while also having infinite lifting strength based on the proposed narrative that Clock's hands are unblockable by anything in the universe?
 
Anyway, I don't mind if this thread's revision proposal gets rejected, but I still hope to see what staff members who have evaluation power think of it. If the conclusion of this thread ends up being that the infinite power statement is a hyperbole even if it refers to lifting strength, despite my analysis reaching the conclusion that there is a mere likelihood of that not being the case, then that's fair enough. I just find it misses the point to focus too much on the interpretation that the statement refers to striking strength, since the original post specifically attempts to prove that it's not striking strength.
 
I don't see any reason why the infinite power statement should be taken as hyperbole if nothing contradicts it. Likewise, I agree with it being Lifting Strength and not striking strength.

If a brick wall moved in one direction at one inch per second, with infinite force behind that movement, then it wouldn't have infinite striking strength. If I stand in front of it, I'm not going to be evaporated by an infinitely powerful push. I'm just going to get pushed along slowly. Likewise, if you put a car in its way, it won't strike the car, it will push it.
 
I don't see any reason why the infinite power statement should be taken as hyperbole if nothing contradicts it. Likewise, I agree with it being Lifting Strength and not striking strength.

If a brick wall moved in one direction at one inch per second, with infinite force behind that movement, then it wouldn't have infinite striking strength. If I stand in front of it, I'm not going to be evaporated by an infinitely powerful push. I'm just going to get pushed along slowly. Likewise, if you put a car in its way, it won't strike the car, it will push it.
Thank you for your input. Now to hope the other staff members I contacted will respond as well.
 
After reading the entire thing. the logic seens good enough. just found funny how big of a thread this is to change something that will basically not change the character or verse scaling at all lol

agreed
 
After reading the entire thing. the logic seens good enough. just found funny how big of a thread this is to change something that will basically not change the character or verse scaling at all lol

agreed
Thank you. I don't find this thread very big. There hasn't even been 20 replies yet, and the original post is detailed only because interpreting semantics is like that.
 
In the original post, I quoted the scan as stating "infinite power" even though the scan states "infinitely powerful." The difference in phrasing makes no difference to the impact of and agreement with the revision proposal, so before implementing the revision, I edited the original post for it state precisely what the scan does, for the sake of refinement.
 
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