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I mean, If you die for flowey (the one that WANT to absorb your soul) you still can sit forever in the death screm
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Clash of the immortals (Frisk vs Chosen Undead)
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you can only ever die to flowey in his photoshop flowey fight, and he's trying to torture you there.
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Well, If you stay in there for 5 years in the game over screen, wouldn't photoshop flowey get borede and just absorb you?
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if. heavy emphasis on if.
he wants to torture you in his photoshop flowey fight, and frisk dies too fast for anyone to manually absorb their soul. the chosen undead passively absorbs the souls of people he's killed, meaning he'll attain frisk's soul before frisk's soul breaks
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Again, he isn't dead until the game over screm apears, I don't think we can say he is dead at any moment thanks to determination...
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frisk dies once their HP hits zero, it literally says that when you open the game. chosen undead grabs, either locks them in a shed or kills and absorbs their soul passively.
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You know the Chosen Undead has the Dark Hand, right? They can use it to actively grapple and steal souls from a living target, it even heals them to boot.
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I want to point out that you don't get an actual Game Over Screen, Omega Flowey just crashes your game everytime he kills you meaning he can take your soul if he really wanted too, but he's too busy torturing you to give a shit. Like he literally laughs at you in your Game Over Screen saying that you're never gonna beat him and then the game crashes.
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It say "you lose", the Game over screen say "you can't die right now" impling he is in the process of diefrisk dies once their HP hits zero, it literally says that when you open the game. chosen undead grabs, either locks them in a shed or kills and absorbs their soul passively.
This is a wincon
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you lose implies you died.
its not under standard equipment, i haven't played dark souls 1 in a while should it?
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No, It dosn't
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what. if you lose you get a game over it quite literally means they die.
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It's not Standard, you have to go out of your way to get it, so it's optional.
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The game over screm literaly say that "It's not time to die yet" or something like that, impling you are close to die but didn'twhat. if you lose you get a game over it quite literally means they die.
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yes. after that they resurrect. which means they died. you can only resurrect if you died.
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So... any reason why the tier 2 entity that takes control of any vessel the red SOUL is put into would not **** up any attempts to absorb their SOUL?
No? You travel time in time, you don't respawn after death. Kris doesn't die either in the overworld and you can still load, you're expected to spam the load screen to get Sans' key, and Flowey mocks you if you go back to not kill Toriel.
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They don't ressurect, they literaly come back in time to their last save point
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I'm sorry, what? Since when does Frisk have ******* Possession?
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The Player does. Frisk acts as a vessel to the red SOUL the same as Kris does.
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where does it say the chosen undead is fighting the player in the OP? they're fighting FRISK, not the player.
the player and frisk are two different entities and said two entities can function without eachother.
the player has frisk as standard equipment, frisk does not have the player as standard equipment.
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OK, problem with this though. The Undertale Player is Unknown in AP, not Tier 2 like the Deltarune Key is. Body Control is gonna be pretty oof to deal with but considering the fact the it's not always effective considering it literally says Frisk can ignore them sometimes, means that there's a chance that the Chosen Undead can ignore it long enough to count as a win while Frisk is just dead.
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The red SOUL is what the player uses to control Frisk. We have zero idea what Frisk could possibly do without the red SOUL, as it's where SAVE and LOAD comes from to begin with. We also never see a Frisk who isn't possessed by the Player.
We have zero idea how Frisk would function without the Player.
Because the player isn't something they carry. But unless you want to tell me Frisk doesn't get to keep their SOUL for the fight - which is what makes them 8-B at all - that's little aid.
My bad on the tier, though the player can still reset the world. Frisk never actively defies anything you make them do, they just do minor independent stuff like giving their name when asked it. Only place we see the Player being ignored is in Deltarune, where Kris can only manage after ripping the SOUl out of their body.
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only applies to deltarune
yep.
you telling me davy jones can no longer have the kraken for standard equipment because he cant fit it into his back pocket?
"refers to a set of items that a character can be expected to have on hand at any time."
the player always has frisk, frisk does not always have the player. they have shown to be able to function without the player, to a point where they can live on the surface without any of the player's influence
your combining concepts of deltarune and undertale, despite the fact they are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. the red soul isn't even the player's, its chara's, they even say that themselves.
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That still means that the Chosen Undead can possibly keep themselves in-control long enough to keep it as a W. If the Player just resets regsrdless after this happens, then this fight just becomes an Incon because the Chosen Undead is way to skilled to let Frisk have enough time to sing them to sleep before beating their ass.
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You have to play Undertale before Deltarune - Toby said as much - and you the Player outright mention Undertale stuff in Deltarune. Trying to separate the two because they're different games is non-sense. The reason the Player is split into keys is because in Deltarune they have more save files and blatant statements or erasing timelines.
Frisk has the player with them at literally all points we see them. The only time they do not is literally off-screen, and their abilities and tier are based off of something that requires them to have the player with them. Here's what's standard equipment: "Equipment listed as standard should be equipment the character has access to in a majority of their canon appearances."
And the SOUL is not Chara's, their SOUL broke already. They literally coerce you into selling that SOUL to them, which would be pretty useless if it was theirs to begin with. Flowey assumes it's Chara. Flowey assumes Chara is possessing Frisk as early as the Ruins, and calls Frisk Chara while fighting them in the Paifist ending, finally admitting he was wrong. I'd trust Chara over Asriel over whether or not they own your SOUL before you sell it to them.
...But if you want to assume this is post-genocide and make the SOUL Chara's, that's not better for the Chosen Undead.
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"Please don't worry too much about that.
Essentially, this is not the world of UNDERTALE.
If you completed UNDERTALE, the ending and world are as you left it.
If everyone was happy there, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.
To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen..." -Toby Fox
why are they related again? oh right, they aren't. they're two different games, two different stories, and two different worlds.
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...That proves nothing? It's clearly a different world, you could tell that as soon as it's said that monsters are aboveground and Asriel is off in college. The player is the same individual, who can make references to Undertale.
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two different games, two different stories, two different worlds.
it doesn't matter that the player can say 'haha thats sans from the hit game undertale!'. that doesn't mean you can scale two different characters from two different games to each other.
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Same player referencing the previous game, with the previous game being required to play the latter.
The Player isn't a different character. It's the same person, the one playing.
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So we can give the player from minecraft the same abilities of the player in undertale? they're the same person playing the game, they're simply playing another game! that means they can scale, right? yeah thats ******* stupid. two different games, they aren't related, stop trying to relate them to each other when they aren't related.
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If you have problems with that, then make a CRT for it because they're currently excepted as the exact same character.
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That is a false equivalency, as Minecraft wasn't made by the same creator of Undertale, who said you have to play Undertale to play Minecraft, who then further allowed you the choice to recognize characters that exist in Undertale in Minecraft and note on that fact, and the two games weren't conceptualized at the same time (yes, Deltarune was an idea since before Undertale came out).
You may notice this by the fact that The Player for Undertale and Deltarune are listed as the same character, just in two different keys as Deltarune allows you to do a lot more.
Regardless, staying more relevant here. The SOUL should still be able to reset or reload after being absorbed. It might also just outright rebel, something Dark Souls souls can't do as far as I know.
Despite all that, I vote the Chosen Undead. Even if they go hollow, they'll still murderize Frisk. Frisk on the other hand, loses as soon as they/the player runs out of willpower against an invincible enemy.
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I meant Undertale.
San's whole point was that he was doing everything to stop you, not annoy you.
And Undyne wanted to take your soul to give it to Asgore to free everyone.
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he knew he couldn't stop you, he was just there to delay frisk from getting to asgore, so he could use the souls.
what.
everyone knows Asriel is dead, why would she even consider Asriel's existence? she was there to kill you, not take your soul.
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Sorry, I meant Asgore.
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oh, yeah, that makes more sense-
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Yes, he knew he couldn't stop you- but he also definitely knows monsters can absorb souls.
If there was any way for him to do it, he would've. He couldn't, because the LOAD happens before he can have a chance.
Now, if it's really passive I don't know if that's enough evidence, but I wanted to correct this misconception that no monsters were trying.
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of course monsters were trying, but most monsters were in a situation where they couldn't reasonably pull it off.
most of them were trying to bring it to asgore, which is why most of the time you die.
Asgore... yeah not sure why he doesn't grab it-
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Nor Sans, which is why either the LOAD happens instantly or it can still happen with the soul absorbed.
