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Chuck Norris vs. Giorno Giovanna
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Mand he wouldnt . He wouldnt even want or begin to think that .
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He wont even have to do that.Seventy96 said:
Will power manipulation for incaoacitation alternatively what ge dud on leaky luca .
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So what's your vote?
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Ger for negating the fear maniputlion on himself then doing will power and negating all of his action promptly .Yeahboiii123 said:
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Giorno for JJ reason's above then.
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Giorno 3-0 Chuck
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Then his stand negates the negative efect on himself . Fearhax doesnt make the oponent incapacitated . At least not his fear hax . Ger will be afraid then he wouldnt a moment later .
Ger has actual counters to him while wil power and cause and efet hax shut him down .
Ger has actual counters to him while wil power and cause and efet hax shut him down .
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3-0 so far, anyone else?
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>Run away.Mand21 said:
Meaning the thing can act and do as it pleases . Ger isnt exact dense man. Also the objects and things within qyestion cant do any harm or thing to him. Ger has actual counters to hom . Ger would negate and set his fear to zero .
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Its thought based meaning far quicker than any of his oponents actual moves and techniques mabd . Easy at that also because his oponent isnt qcasual and his attacks lack that also mand .
Also requiem negated giorno having his skull crushed. His chest puncutured . And diavolo goring him despite that being a guranteed future .
Also requiem negated giorno having his skull crushed. His chest puncutured . And diavolo goring him despite that being a guranteed future .
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Chuck's Death Hax and Law Manipulation are also thought based, J-Man. Requiem can't simply NLF-ly negate death after Chuck, a being who can shit on time, has created a defense against that. Chuck's fearhax, however thought-defendable, will create a big enough gap of time to attack for someone as pragmatic and merciless as he is to finish off his opponent without giving him any chance.
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Were ya not paying attention. Honest question.
Ger can act at least for a bit after giorno bites the dust so there goes death hax .
Tine any thing isnt helping him so ya mentioning that up is pointless mand and efects literaly no aspect if the match man .
The literal moment the match starts ger negates the fear hax then will hax his oponent . Also the moment he usnt afraid (ie before his oponent can do a follow attack. ) Oponent cant do a thing or even act for that matter . He lacks acasuality so yeah ger can and will negate and make al potential actions a pointless and negated action .
Ger can act at least for a bit after giorno bites the dust so there goes death hax .
Tine any thing isnt helping him so ya mentioning that up is pointless mand and efects literaly no aspect if the match man .
The literal moment the match starts ger negates the fear hax then will hax his oponent . Also the moment he usnt afraid (ie before his oponent can do a follow attack. ) Oponent cant do a thing or even act for that matter . He lacks acasuality so yeah ger can and will negate and make al potential actions a pointless and negated action .
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Can the GER nullify Chuck's Law Manipulation, though?
And regardless of Chuck lacking acausality, he still messes a lot around with time. It's not that easy to negate his actions. Especially if he wields Law Manipulation as a shield, which you haven't proven GER capable of nullifying.
If Chuck kills Giorno and parries haxes from GER until GER bites the dust, Chuck wins. Death hax doesn't go anywhere if Chuck can just keep Giorno dead throughout the whole fight and thus make this an endurance battle which he can win.
You haven't proven that GER can just ignore the protections Chuck's law manipulation can lift against hax, so this isn't gonna be all that easy.
And regardless of Chuck lacking acausality, he still messes a lot around with time. It's not that easy to negate his actions. Especially if he wields Law Manipulation as a shield, which you haven't proven GER capable of nullifying.
If Chuck kills Giorno and parries haxes from GER until GER bites the dust, Chuck wins. Death hax doesn't go anywhere if Chuck can just keep Giorno dead throughout the whole fight and thus make this an endurance battle which he can win.
You haven't proven that GER can just ignore the protections Chuck's law manipulation can lift against hax, so this isn't gonna be all that easy.
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>Can the GER nullify Chuck's Law Manipulation, though?
He doesnt need a counter. He can negate the fact he used law maniputlion not in the first place mand .
>And regardless of Chuck lacking acausality, he still messes a lot around with time. It's not that easy to negate his actions. Especially if he wields Law Manipulation as a shield, which you haven't proven GER capable of nullifying.
And? So does duavolo. Guess what? No acasuality meaning he cant do a thing. Any time manipulation wont efect or save him if he lacks acasuality . He wont. He wouldnt even think or want to use law manipulation becayse he would be a vegetable .
>If Chuck kills Giorno and parries haxes from GER until GER bites the dust, Chuck wins. Death hax doesn't go anywhere if Chuck can just keep Giorno dead throughout the whole fight and thus make this an endurance battle which he can win.
Mate. Chuck wpuldnt be doing any thing. He wouldnt even want to do a thing. He cant do a thing . Mand he literaly cant make a action at any point . He cant deglect his hax because he didnt make an effort or do a thing which deflects hax to begin with mand .
You haven't proven that GER can just ignore the protections Chuck's law manipulation can lift against hax, so this isn't gonna be all that easy.
Ya must prove he can get around causuality manipulation first (which he cant do mand ) otherwise he wont be doing a thing .
He doesnt need a counter. He can negate the fact he used law maniputlion not in the first place mand .
>And regardless of Chuck lacking acausality, he still messes a lot around with time. It's not that easy to negate his actions. Especially if he wields Law Manipulation as a shield, which you haven't proven GER capable of nullifying.
And? So does duavolo. Guess what? No acasuality meaning he cant do a thing. Any time manipulation wont efect or save him if he lacks acasuality . He wont. He wouldnt even think or want to use law manipulation becayse he would be a vegetable .
>If Chuck kills Giorno and parries haxes from GER until GER bites the dust, Chuck wins. Death hax doesn't go anywhere if Chuck can just keep Giorno dead throughout the whole fight and thus make this an endurance battle which he can win.
Mate. Chuck wpuldnt be doing any thing. He wouldnt even want to do a thing. He cant do a thing . Mand he literaly cant make a action at any point . He cant deglect his hax because he didnt make an effort or do a thing which deflects hax to begin with mand .
You haven't proven that GER can just ignore the protections Chuck's law manipulation can lift against hax, so this isn't gonna be all that easy.
Ya must prove he can get around causuality manipulation first (which he cant do mand ) otherwise he wont be doing a thing .
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That's ridiculous. Both of them have the power to crush facts with their thoughts and both shit on a lot of time, you're just NLFing one of them.
You're further NLFing this by stating no one without acausality can defeat GER, which is blatant NLF.
I could state that Giorno is the one who doesn't do shit, but I'm being honest and pointing out that while he might, Chuck is faster.
Chuck can get around causality manipulation through Law Manipulation. He doesn't need to have the counter you want him to have. This isn't some mathematics exam where either you solve a question like your teacher wants you to, or you fail. If it works, it works.
You're further NLFing this by stating no one without acausality can defeat GER, which is blatant NLF.
I could state that Giorno is the one who doesn't do shit, but I'm being honest and pointing out that while he might, Chuck is faster.
Chuck can get around causality manipulation through Law Manipulation. He doesn't need to have the counter you want him to have. This isn't some mathematics exam where either you solve a question like your teacher wants you to, or you fail. If it works, it works.
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>That's ridiculous. Both of them have the power to crush facts with their thoughts and both shit on a lot of time, you're just NLFing one of them.
Youre very clearly not aware of how causuality manipulation works manf . Or will power .
>You're further NLFing this by stating no one without acausality can defeat GER, which is blatant NLF.
No 3D or potentially 4D being that lacks acausyality can defeat ger and giorno via pasivity . This ya think is a nkf? Mate thats the literal generic causuality manipulation . This would go for any causuality manipulator .
>I could state that Giorno is the one who doesn't do shit, but I'm being honest and pointing out that while he might, Chuck is faster.
Cool except thats blatantly false. All of gers moves are thought based. Ger needs one thought and he esentially wins .
>Chuck can get around causality manipulation through Law Manipulation. He doesn't need to have the counter you want him to have. This isn't some mathematics exam where either you solve a question like your teacher wants you to, or you fail. If it works, it works.
It doesnt work though and thats what ya not getting man . "No" wont be used as a actual point on any batle mand .
Youre very clearly not aware of how causuality manipulation works manf . Or will power .
>You're further NLFing this by stating no one without acausality can defeat GER, which is blatant NLF.
No 3D or potentially 4D being that lacks acausyality can defeat ger and giorno via pasivity . This ya think is a nkf? Mate thats the literal generic causuality manipulation . This would go for any causuality manipulator .
>I could state that Giorno is the one who doesn't do shit, but I'm being honest and pointing out that while he might, Chuck is faster.
Cool except thats blatantly false. All of gers moves are thought based. Ger needs one thought and he esentially wins .
>Chuck can get around causality manipulation through Law Manipulation. He doesn't need to have the counter you want him to have. This isn't some mathematics exam where either you solve a question like your teacher wants you to, or you fail. If it works, it works.
It doesnt work though and thats what ya not getting man . "No" wont be used as a actual point on any batle mand .
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What do you mean passivity? It's an active (or at the very least semiactive, given it uses opinions, basically not necessarily conscious thought) ability, Chuck's law manip. In any way, you've just admitted to NLF and that invalidates your argument and the votes of everyone who agreed with you, congratulations, but causality manipulation can be countered through powers other than acausality (you also just created a situation wherein a stronger reality warper would lose because they're not acausal, or another causality manipper would necessarily be inconclusive because neither is acausal).
So does Chuck need one thought and he basically nullifies anything GER can do, especially since Chuck Norris ***** on a lot of time's linearity due to it not being defined for him.
"it doesn't work tho" is argument by assertion. I explained again and again that it does work and you're NLFing causality manipulation as if it were to absolutely break anyone who is causality based even if they can block the causality manipulation from reaching causality.
Think of it like a virus trying to infect a computer's firewall in order to hack that computer. Are viruses which can hack a firewall invincible? No, because they still need to get through the firewall in order to hack it. The effects of the virus may be extremely crippling, but that's only once it's through the initial barrier of the firewall and not taken down by the antivirus yet. And Chuck Norris's antivirus, that of Law Manipulation, is not going to get pierced by GER's causality manipulation, so regardless of how much you try to NLF that causality manipulation, it can be beaten by things which are tied to causal relationships.
So does Chuck need one thought and he basically nullifies anything GER can do, especially since Chuck Norris ***** on a lot of time's linearity due to it not being defined for him.
"it doesn't work tho" is argument by assertion. I explained again and again that it does work and you're NLFing causality manipulation as if it were to absolutely break anyone who is causality based even if they can block the causality manipulation from reaching causality.
Think of it like a virus trying to infect a computer's firewall in order to hack that computer. Are viruses which can hack a firewall invincible? No, because they still need to get through the firewall in order to hack it. The effects of the virus may be extremely crippling, but that's only once it's through the initial barrier of the firewall and not taken down by the antivirus yet. And Chuck Norris's antivirus, that of Law Manipulation, is not going to get pierced by GER's causality manipulation, so regardless of how much you try to NLF that causality manipulation, it can be beaten by things which are tied to causal relationships.
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>What do you mean passivity? It's an active (or at the very least semiactive, given it uses opinions, basically not necessarily conscious thought) ability, Chuck's law manip. In any way, you've just admitted to NLF and that invalidates your argument and the votes of everyone who agreed with you, congratulations, but causality manipulation can be countered through powers other than acausality (you also just created a situation wherein a stronger reality warper would lose because they're not acausal, or another causality manipper would necessarily be inconclusive because neither is acausal).
Mate cut the shit. Thats not a nlf. You simply dont agree. If youre not acasual and youre entaging a opponent that can make all your actions and thoughts not happen with no actual counter than good ya cant do a thing. He cant use law manipulation becayse he one wont even want to becayse will power and two becayse he didnt use that at all as causuality manipulation saud that action didnt hapen .
>So does Chuck need one thought and he basically nullifies anything GER can do, especially since Chuck Norris ***** on a lot of time's linearity due to it not being defined for him.
Cool. Hes not acasual though and he needs one thought but he 1. Isnt omniscient. Versatility screws him . 2. Wont even want do any thing because of wil power manipulation .
>"it doesn't work tho" is argument by assertion. I explained again and again that it does work and you're NLFing causality manipulation as if it were to absolutely break anyone who is causality based even if they can block the causality manipulation from reaching causality.
Ya explained a thing he cant do. He at the moment has zero counters and any counter would be negated as ger would be faster on the draw explicitly handwaving will manipulation . Except he isnt acasual. Cant prevent before hes quite literally screwed . Youre ckaiming he hard counters and resists despite him not having a hard counter and no mentiom of resustance on the profike . Best pull that revision thread for him then . Bevause youre debating a point ya cant even yse mand .
>Think of it like a virus trying to infect a computer's firewall in order to hack that computer. Are viruses which can hack a firewall invincible? No, because they still need to get through the firewall in order to hack it. The effects of the virus may be extremely crippling, but that's only once it's through the initial barrier of the firewall and not taken down by the antivirus yet. And Chuck Norris's antivirus, that of Law Manipulation, is not going to get pierced by GER's causality manipulation, so regardless of how much you try to NLF that causality manipulation, it can be beaten by things which are tied to causal relationships.
Quite a bad analogy mand. The vurus would efect the pc prior of the pc puting up or having a firewall to begin with .
Like it or not but no resustance means he cant do a thing which obviousky wont change no matter how much ya wish so mand so cut the shit .
>What do you mean passivity? It's an active (or at the very least semiactive, given it uses opinions, basically not necessarily conscious thought) ability, Chuck's law manip. In any way, you've just admitted to NLF and that invalidates your argument and the votes of everyone who agreed with you, congratulations, but causality manipulation can be countered through powers other than acausality (you also just created a situation wherein a stronger reality warper would lose because they're not acausal, or another causality manipper would necessarily be inconclusive because neither is acausal).
Mate cut the shit. Thats not a nlf. You simply dont agree. If youre not acasual and youre entaging a opponent that can make all your actions and thoughts not happen with no actual counter than good ya cant do a thing. He cant use law manipulation becayse he one wont even want to becayse will power and two becayse he didnt use that at all as causuality manipulation saud that action didnt hapen .
>So does Chuck need one thought and he basically nullifies anything GER can do, especially since Chuck Norris ***** on a lot of time's linearity due to it not being defined for him.
Cool. Hes not acasual though and he needs one thought but he 1. Isnt omniscient. Versatility screws him . 2. Wont even want do any thing because of wil power manipulation .
>"it doesn't work tho" is argument by assertion. I explained again and again that it does work and you're NLFing causality manipulation as if it were to absolutely break anyone who is causality based even if they can block the causality manipulation from reaching causality.
Ya explained a thing he cant do. He at the moment has zero counters and any counter would be negated as ger would be faster on the draw explicitly handwaving will manipulation . Except he isnt acasual. Cant prevent before hes quite literally screwed . Youre ckaiming he hard counters and resists despite him not having a hard counter and no mentiom of resustance on the profike . Best pull that revision thread for him then . Bevause youre debating a point ya cant even yse mand .
>Think of it like a virus trying to infect a computer's firewall in order to hack that computer. Are viruses which can hack a firewall invincible? No, because they still need to get through the firewall in order to hack it. The effects of the virus may be extremely crippling, but that's only once it's through the initial barrier of the firewall and not taken down by the antivirus yet. And Chuck Norris's antivirus, that of Law Manipulation, is not going to get pierced by GER's causality manipulation, so regardless of how much you try to NLF that causality manipulation, it can be beaten by things which are tied to causal relationships.
Quite a bad analogy mand. The vurus would efect the pc prior of the pc puting up or having a firewall to begin with .
Like it or not but no resustance means he cant do a thing which obviousky wont change no matter how much ya wish so mand so cut the shit .
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That's true if and only if the causality manipulator has atemporality on top of their manipulation so they can ignore any kind of speedblitz or time manipulation from their opponent to attack them regardless of what they can do, since those beings are above action.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
HOWEVER, A CAUSALITY MANIPULATOR IS NOT ABOVE ACTION. A causality manipulator can manipulate action and its properties, but they cannot ignore action. It happens, and they react to it, possibly erasing it, but still needing to react. Causality manipulation does not take you out of the restraints of time, so if the causality manipulator is destroyed or cannot affect their target, they're f*cked.
Cool. Hes not acasual though and he needs one thought but he 1. Isnt omniscient. Versatility screws him . 2. Wont even want do any thing because of wil power manipulation .
What are you even talking about right now? Chuck Norris is omniscient. He lacks knowledge on the definition of mercy and literally nothing else, so versatility cannot screw him if that's somehow a point for you. Willpower manipulation still needs to act in order to function. And you know what's another problem? Giorno Giovanna's willpower manipulation is not explained in his profile or blog, so you're just stating it works via mind-controlling a target into giving up when I have no reason to believe that. In any way, Chuck Norris's defensive haxes should be set up the instant the battle commences, while GER still has to think in order to initiate its attacks.
Ya explained a thing he cant do.
He at the moment has zero counters and any counter would be negated as ger would be faster on the draw explicitly handwaving will manipulation . Except he isnt acasual. Cant prevent before hes quite literally screwed . Youre ckaiming he hard counters and resists despite him not having a hard counter and no mentiom of resustance on the profike . Best pull that revision thread for him then . Bevause youre debating a point ya cant even yse mand .
He HAS a counter. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arigarmy/Gold_Experience_Requiem
The motherf*cking blog that explains your character's stand points out that stuff like logic manipulation, other causality manipulation and similar shit can counter GER. And Chuck Norris's Law Manipulation has already been categorized as Reality Warping and Logic Manipulation once. It denies facts, so there is no reason to believe it can't work, especially since that blog explicitly implies that it is possible for a character without acausality and with an active ability who is stuck on time to resist the powers of GER. You are NLFing it, no excuses possible any longer, since the rest of the wiki contradicts you.
Quite a bad analogy mand.
The vurus would efect the pc prior of the pc puting up or having a firewall to begin with .
That's simply not how firewalls work, or how viruses work, or how the powers in action here work. Allow me to quote the blog:
As you can see, these examples have basic functions of Causality Manipulation; yet I do want to address one thing that may mislead people. Yes, GER is aware of these actions in their performance, but Giorno would still remain affected by whatever effect before the nullification. GER doesn't allow Giorno to be immune to everything and anything causal, only GER can function as such since it is functioning outside of Giorno's consciousness. Giorno may be aware of the actions his Stand takes, but it does not mean he participated in the event of its reversal. Whatever happens to him before the nullification will happen, but will still be eliminated. I just wanted to clarify that Giorno himself isn't the immune party here.
As you can see, it is possible for Giorno to be killed by Chuck's death hax and he won't get revived at all, meaning this is already an instawin for GER, which in itself f*cks your arguments all over. All the votes here so far, all three votes for Giorno else from yours are "FRA" to your arguments. They're all going to shit since your arguments are standing on a frail NLF like "Causality Manipulation is completely absolute and will affect anyone without a passive immunity to it". It can be countered and parried by Chuck Norris's powers and you have nowhere to run now that a blog that's quoted on Giorno's profile has stated that, unless you make a CRT for that. If I protect myself with a shield against causality manipulation, you can't simply say you shot me before I equipped my shield. That's NLFing the causality manipulation. Also, Chuck Norris has immeasurable speed, and while speed is equalized, it's never stated whose speed it's equalized towards, so it might as well be Chuck's.
Like it or not but no resustance means he cant do a thing which obviousky wont change no matter how much ya wish so mand so cut the shit .
That's NLF. People can also defend things. They don't need to always be able to tank an attack sent on their faces. they can actively block them, and a nigh-omniscient Chuck Norris can do such a thing.
So, one vote for Chuck versus two votes for Giorno since only two people argued for themselves and against my claim that you're NLFing, how about that? You're just also NLFing an undetailed willpower manip like it's some absolute mind control that allows Giorno to make his opponent attack him or not the way he wants by freely distorting their will.
TheJ-ManRequiem and Eficiente for Giorno.
Mand21, Deadmemeguy and Sir Ovens for Chuck.
And your other 3 votes which put this presently at a 5-3, but anyways if the voters you're counting weren't nullified the ones that previously voted Chuck shouldn't be nulled in this "stalemate" (really just you NLFing a power that isn't invincible against non-acausals).
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Ah i see so you werent paying attention . Well first and foremost fortunately ger is capable of doing that. He negated actions that had yet to transpire and a guranteed event . He also dud so fast enough the time itself didnt move (probably because time had been erased and didnt which exust at that moment says a lot for him). He also negated actions that haoemed when time didnt exist .
Mate he sets the oponents will to zero. Its mentioned on the profile and us thought based . You're also evidently showing you have zero knowledge on the oponent . Will power manipulation is one of three feats canon ger actually pbtained . Omniscient doesnt work out of verse . That was a point awhile back . He wont know what to do exactly on ger . None of his defensive haxes actually stop her from negating or making him a vegetable. Ya do realize that mand ?.
Was categorized but very clearly isnt anymore also quoting arigamy? Man the least ya could do us formulate an actual point. Arigamy isnt god . The wiki ya mean one user which youre currently quoting as gospel mand ?.
Man pay attention to the points made for once. Of course giorno would be efectexby death hax. Ger on the other hand wont be in at least not fast enough where he cant make that negate. It cant be countered or paried bevayse he didnt do the thing in the first place and not only that he didnt even want to or would do that in the first place because will power manipulation . Also the sped equalization point only makes it harder for him. All of his actions are thought based and dont require him being hit or attacked . Merely being aware of his oponent would be quite enough .
What the bloody hell are ya even talking about? Theres quite literally nothing to block or defend from . Its quite literally ger going "no".
Please stop debating if you yourself are debating from.a complete back of knowledge on the opposistion especuaky when ya have to rely on a blog of which isn't even supporting ya fully .
The match goes with ger does his will power hax and thats already a automatic win . His oponent cant act because all of his actions are set to zero. If ger is afraid hed probably cut the shit and make it so the act of making an action at Al would be zero .
Mate he sets the oponents will to zero. Its mentioned on the profile and us thought based . You're also evidently showing you have zero knowledge on the oponent . Will power manipulation is one of three feats canon ger actually pbtained . Omniscient doesnt work out of verse . That was a point awhile back . He wont know what to do exactly on ger . None of his defensive haxes actually stop her from negating or making him a vegetable. Ya do realize that mand ?.
Was categorized but very clearly isnt anymore also quoting arigamy? Man the least ya could do us formulate an actual point. Arigamy isnt god . The wiki ya mean one user which youre currently quoting as gospel mand ?.
Man pay attention to the points made for once. Of course giorno would be efectexby death hax. Ger on the other hand wont be in at least not fast enough where he cant make that negate. It cant be countered or paried bevayse he didnt do the thing in the first place and not only that he didnt even want to or would do that in the first place because will power manipulation . Also the sped equalization point only makes it harder for him. All of his actions are thought based and dont require him being hit or attacked . Merely being aware of his oponent would be quite enough .
What the bloody hell are ya even talking about? Theres quite literally nothing to block or defend from . Its quite literally ger going "no".
Please stop debating if you yourself are debating from.a complete back of knowledge on the opposistion especuaky when ya have to rely on a blog of which isn't even supporting ya fully .
The match goes with ger does his will power hax and thats already a automatic win . His oponent cant act because all of his actions are set to zero. If ger is afraid hed probably cut the shit and make it so the act of making an action at Al would be zero .
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Are you trying to assert that GER has immeasurable or infinite speed? Because if that's the case, I don't see why you're equalizing it.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Mate he sets the oponents will to zero. Its mentioned on the profile and us thought based .
You're also evidently showing you have zero knowledge on the oponent . Will power manipulation is one of three feats canon ger actually pbtained . Omniscient doesnt work out of verse . That was a point awhile back . He wont know what to do exactly on ger . None of his defensive haxes actually stop her from negating or making him a vegetable. Ya do realize that mand ?.
If omniscience doesn't matter, then why did you even mention it? Did you mention it just so I'd prove you wrong and you'd say some BS on top of that as if ignoring you were the one to bring it up on the first place? I am reading GER's profile and of course I needed more information on something that hadn't been explained before! How dare you shun me for not knowing about an anime I didn't watch?
Was categorized but very clearly isnt anymore also quoting arigamy? Man the least ya could do us formulate an actual point. Arigamy isnt god . The wiki ya mean one user which youre currently quoting as gospel mand ?.
Man pay attention to the points made for once. Of course giorno would be efectexby death hax. Ger on the other hand wont be in at least not fast enough where he cant make that negate.
"At least not fast enough where he can't make that negation", based on what do you say that? Because Chuck Norris has immeasurable speed which is presently equalized. They're both literally just as fast as each other and both simultaneously activating their haxes. Also, is GER bloodlusted or does he always lead with this instakill? Because the smallest hesitation and Chuck Norris takes the cake. It may no longer be, but what I was actually pointing out — which you seemed to ignore — was that Chuck Norris's power has all the capabilities one needs to have in order to defend themselves from GER's power, simply because he can do anything your typical logic manipulation user can! Am I truly the one who is not paying attention to the points presented? You just even somehow managed to fallaciously point out that GER is... better? Inherently superior? I don't even know, it's just ridiculously that GER will merely do it faster because he is better. Just because causality manipulation affects time doesn't mean its user isn't bound by time. Especially when the opponent has immeasurable speed.
It cant be countered or paried bevayse he didnt do the thing in the first place and not only that he didnt even want to or would do that in the first place because will power manipulation .
Also the sped equalization point only makes it harder for him. All of his actions are thought based and dont require him being hit or attacked . Merely being aware of his oponent would be quite enough .
That's bullshit and you should know better than that. A causality manipulation user can erase actions from time, but that doesn't mean they aren't affected by them. The blog I quote, which has been accepted as an adequate explanation for Requiem's powers and will remain as such unless you make a CRT if you're so mad about me taking it like "some kind of gospel", has stated that GER cannot simply fully ignore actions. If Chuck Norris is blocking his powers from the beginning of the fight, he can't simply travel back in time to attack him before that. Chuck Norris is the only one here who can actually make an attack before something happen. GER can only manipulate that event to erase it from the past, but if he's blocked from doing that after some point in time... well, GER is not atemporal. See how acausality isn't the only defense? Or are you simply not paying attention to what I say?' Chuck Norris's haxes are also thought based, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE THAT REQUIEM HAS OVER HIM ON THAT REGARD.
What the bloody hell are ya even talking about? Theres quite literally nothing to block or defend from . Its quite literally ger going "no".
THIS IS AN OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF NO LIMITS FALLACY AND I CANNOT POSSIBLY LET YOU DENY THIS FACT. Causality Manipulation can be actively defended from. It can be defended from by beings who are restricted to the rules of cause and consequence. This is as true as your statement that omniscience does not work outside of one's verse. Have you not been paying attention to this point?
Please stop debating if you yourself are debating from.a complete back of knowledge on the opposistion especuaky when ya have to rely on a blog of which isn't even supporting ya fully .
Are you not paying attention to my point? And now I have to repeat: How dare you shun me for not knowing a detail from an anime I haven't watched, when it hadn't been previously explained? And again must I mention that you simply did not pay enough attentio to my point, since your stated contradiction is false. So, have you simply not been paying attention to my points or something?
The match goes with ger does his will power hax and thats already a automatic win .
His oponent cant act because all of his actions are set to zero. If ger is afraid hed probably cut the shit and make it so the act of making an action at Al would be zero .
That's like saying that GER's hax is passive. It is not, it's thought based like Chuck's haxes other than fear and death. Chuck can still act, but GER might, if in character try to immediately do what you're saying and if he does that in time, he can paralyse his opponent. However, Chuck Norris's fear manipulation is, as I pointed before, passive, acts at a conceptual level, is nigh-irresistible and will cause GER to hesitate. Even if GER sets fear to zero, it won't be an immediate action, giving Chuck Norris time to act.
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Yeah actually did ya even check the profile?
I mentioned it because its a figure of speech . He has options. Having options screws him whenger has one guranteed option that would always work .
Because ger has one guranteed lead which is thought based meaning her will always lead with that one thought based technique that instantly shuts his oponent down. It's faster because its done with a thought . And can efect past actions and future actions even while time itself didnt exust .
A lack of knowledge is showing . He on panel. Prevented actions that has yet to transpire (meaning he can prevent his oponents bfuture actions ) while he also made past actions that happened be useles . Blocking his powers? The same could be said for ger. And this is where you ignored the fact he wouldnt even want to do that because of wil power manipulation . Thought based? What he often leads or fights with sure defintely arent thought based and lack of knowledge on ger probably gimps him .
Thats not a nlf. Thats literally what causuality manipulation does mand . Yeah maybe sure he does have potential counters but he won't be utilizing any because of will power manipulation .
Well of course im gona call ya on your shit. Dont act as if you know the character then when evidently ya have no clue about him man . The blog itself lacks a shit ton of actual information on ger and is used as a guideline not hundred percent fact .
Some of gers hax probably is pasive actually . >Get can act. Thats were evidently ypure wrong. He cant act. He wont even want to act but ger can negate his actions and thoughts before his acts are even finished . No. The fear will make him hestotate at most for a moment on his oponent. But he himself fre game . And thats what maters here mand . Also the fact his fear manipulation only efected objects solely because the objects and beings feared his "power" a thing ger himself wpuldnt need to fear or wouldnt fear when he has feats of zero effort on par is of itself shody at best mand . The fear manipulation isnt even a actual hax its only being afraid of his power and not some mind hax thing . Of course even.things that cant fear fear his power but those things cant engage him any way mand .
I mentioned it because its a figure of speech . He has options. Having options screws him whenger has one guranteed option that would always work .
Because ger has one guranteed lead which is thought based meaning her will always lead with that one thought based technique that instantly shuts his oponent down. It's faster because its done with a thought . And can efect past actions and future actions even while time itself didnt exust .
A lack of knowledge is showing . He on panel. Prevented actions that has yet to transpire (meaning he can prevent his oponents bfuture actions ) while he also made past actions that happened be useles . Blocking his powers? The same could be said for ger. And this is where you ignored the fact he wouldnt even want to do that because of wil power manipulation . Thought based? What he often leads or fights with sure defintely arent thought based and lack of knowledge on ger probably gimps him .
Thats not a nlf. Thats literally what causuality manipulation does mand . Yeah maybe sure he does have potential counters but he won't be utilizing any because of will power manipulation .
Well of course im gona call ya on your shit. Dont act as if you know the character then when evidently ya have no clue about him man . The blog itself lacks a shit ton of actual information on ger and is used as a guideline not hundred percent fact .
Some of gers hax probably is pasive actually . >Get can act. Thats were evidently ypure wrong. He cant act. He wont even want to act but ger can negate his actions and thoughts before his acts are even finished . No. The fear will make him hestotate at most for a moment on his oponent. But he himself fre game . And thats what maters here mand . Also the fact his fear manipulation only efected objects solely because the objects and beings feared his "power" a thing ger himself wpuldnt need to fear or wouldnt fear when he has feats of zero effort on par is of itself shody at best mand . The fear manipulation isnt even a actual hax its only being afraid of his power and not some mind hax thing . Of course even.things that cant fear fear his power but those things cant engage him any way mand .
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Also calm down. Bolding almost the entirety of your post a tad bit overboard man .
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Oh and for law manipulation to prevent ger he would have be quote aware of what hes chamging although by the time he would be aware he wouldnt be able do a thing . He would be effected by ger already .
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Okay, I exaggerated and am sorry about that. I will try to be more calm now. Moving on.
I mentioned it because its a figure of speech .
He has options. Having options screws him whenger has one guranteed option that would always work .
No, it doesn't. In-character behavior is important. Does he actually lead with it, or does he not?
Because ger has one guranteed lead which is thought based meaning her will always lead with that one thought based technique that instantly shuts his oponent down.
So he does and you can confirm that? Good.
It's faster because its done with a thought .
False. Chuck Norris has passive hax which is faster. Chuck Norris has also hax which is made with a barely conscious thought, making it the same or ever so slightly faster, which would result in Chuck winning.
And can efect past actions and future actions even while time itself didnt exust .
While it can do that, GER himself is not atemporal, meaning he still gives ***** to time and has to respect the effects that happen on him. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about here because I come from Misogi Kumagawa's All Fictio, an ability of causal manipulation-based erasure which is even (far) stronger than Requiem's Zero Reset, as it can even induce effects by eliminating the need for a cause. Even then, Misogi is affected by things that affect him, and has to nullify them after that. That is true even though Misogi's ability can do anything Requiem's can and what All Fiction erases gets erased from all of history, literally becoming a fictional idea or story on people's minds, a delusion that whatever he erased has actually happened. He still gets affected, and if someone like Chuck Norris were to put a "lolnope barrier" in front of his power without his knowledge, he might indeed get f*cked over.
A lack of knowledge is showing . He on panel. Prevented actions that has yet to transpire (meaning he can prevent his oponents bfuture actions ) while he also made past actions that happened be useles .
Sure. But he needs to think for that. For him to start using his powers against Chuck, the battle has to begin. You cannot attack your opponent during preparation time, fam. He can attack Chuck Norris yesterday... but only once the battle begins can he go back and time. Oh, and Chuck also has time manipulation. May I mention the fact that everything you just said is also valid for Chuck Norris, but that since Chuck Norris has passive abilities that cause hesitation they will give him an edge in activating his powers? Also, while he can stop his opponents from doing something, where is it stated that he can know what his opponents are going to do to stop them from doing that? For all we know, he's really not doing anything if Chuck simply gets the first move... which he gets, and by the time it ends, GER can't really do anything. Not without knowledge of exactly what did Chuck Norris do against him in order to nullify it.
Blocking his powers? The same could be said for ger. And this is where you ignored the fact he wouldnt even want to do that because of wil power manipulation .
Like I said, willpower manipulation isn't going to get used in time.
Thought based? What he often leads or fights with sure defintely arent thought based and lack of knowledge on ger probably gimps him .
Actually, Chuck Norris not only does lead with his three main haxes, but most of the fact book has his fearhax as the main important thing, the death hax is always on action and constantly shaping the way the evolution of species progresses and his Law Manipulation is based on opinion, so he might as well me constantly using it on his daily life like he does with fearhax, and it's certainly something he does pretty often by the way it's phrased (not that he can crush facts with his bare opinion, but that he does.)
Thats not a nlf. Thats literally what causuality manipulation does mand . Yeah maybe sure he does have potential counters but he won't be utilizing any because of will power manipulation .
What if willpower manipulation does not activate in time? It's what I've been trying to point out the whole time. Are you ignoring it?
Well of course im gona call ya on your shit.
Dont act as if you know the character then when evidently ya have no clue about him man . The blog itself lacks a shit ton of actual information on ger and is used as a guideline not hundred percent fact .
Well, make a CRT, then. It's mentioned on his profile and you haven't yet pointed out any of the blunders, imprecisions or lacks of informations, so shame on you for trying an argument by assertion.
Some of gers hax probably is pasive actually .
>Get can act. Thats were evidently ypure wrong. He cant act. He wont even want to act but ger can negate his actions and thoughts before his acts are even finished . No. The fear will make him hestotate at most for a moment on his oponent. But he himself fre game . And thats what maters here mand . Also the fact his fear manipulation only efected objects solely because the objects and beings feared his "power" a thing ger himself wpuldnt need to fear or wouldnt fear when he has feats of zero effort on par is of itself shody at best mand . The fear manipulation isnt even a actual hax its only being afraid of his power and not some mind hax thing . Of course even.things that cant fear fear his power but those things cant engage him any way mand .
Um... I really don't get you. I really didn't understand most of what you wrote here, maybe because your ortography already kinda sucks, and you overdid it this time. Anyways, if GER hesitates for even a single reaction time, even a single Planck time, Chuck Norris kills him during that time due to mercilessness. His fear manipulation will work, that's because it worked even on time and fear itself. It isn't just fear of his power (that's actually never really stated on the book even once!) but the fact that Chuck Norris is "so intimidating" that even concepts are afraid of him. So it's not a thing that depends on whether Requiem fears Chuck, but whether Requiem can resist his overwhelming fear of Chuck in order to lift a finger. We have decided that Requiem will ultimately be able to move and end up breaking the charm... but that will take too long. He'll be dead by that point, killed by a roundhouse kick and unable to return.
I have it opened right now and I'm checking it every time.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
I mentioned it because its a figure of speech .
He has options. Having options screws him whenger has one guranteed option that would always work .
No, it doesn't. In-character behavior is important. Does he actually lead with it, or does he not?
Because ger has one guranteed lead which is thought based meaning her will always lead with that one thought based technique that instantly shuts his oponent down.
So he does and you can confirm that? Good.
It's faster because its done with a thought .
False. Chuck Norris has passive hax which is faster. Chuck Norris has also hax which is made with a barely conscious thought, making it the same or ever so slightly faster, which would result in Chuck winning.
And can efect past actions and future actions even while time itself didnt exust .
While it can do that, GER himself is not atemporal, meaning he still gives ***** to time and has to respect the effects that happen on him. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about here because I come from Misogi Kumagawa's All Fictio, an ability of causal manipulation-based erasure which is even (far) stronger than Requiem's Zero Reset, as it can even induce effects by eliminating the need for a cause. Even then, Misogi is affected by things that affect him, and has to nullify them after that. That is true even though Misogi's ability can do anything Requiem's can and what All Fiction erases gets erased from all of history, literally becoming a fictional idea or story on people's minds, a delusion that whatever he erased has actually happened. He still gets affected, and if someone like Chuck Norris were to put a "lolnope barrier" in front of his power without his knowledge, he might indeed get f*cked over.
A lack of knowledge is showing . He on panel. Prevented actions that has yet to transpire (meaning he can prevent his oponents bfuture actions ) while he also made past actions that happened be useles .
Sure. But he needs to think for that. For him to start using his powers against Chuck, the battle has to begin. You cannot attack your opponent during preparation time, fam. He can attack Chuck Norris yesterday... but only once the battle begins can he go back and time. Oh, and Chuck also has time manipulation. May I mention the fact that everything you just said is also valid for Chuck Norris, but that since Chuck Norris has passive abilities that cause hesitation they will give him an edge in activating his powers? Also, while he can stop his opponents from doing something, where is it stated that he can know what his opponents are going to do to stop them from doing that? For all we know, he's really not doing anything if Chuck simply gets the first move... which he gets, and by the time it ends, GER can't really do anything. Not without knowledge of exactly what did Chuck Norris do against him in order to nullify it.
Blocking his powers? The same could be said for ger. And this is where you ignored the fact he wouldnt even want to do that because of wil power manipulation .
Like I said, willpower manipulation isn't going to get used in time.
Thought based? What he often leads or fights with sure defintely arent thought based and lack of knowledge on ger probably gimps him .
Actually, Chuck Norris not only does lead with his three main haxes, but most of the fact book has his fearhax as the main important thing, the death hax is always on action and constantly shaping the way the evolution of species progresses and his Law Manipulation is based on opinion, so he might as well me constantly using it on his daily life like he does with fearhax, and it's certainly something he does pretty often by the way it's phrased (not that he can crush facts with his bare opinion, but that he does.)
Thats not a nlf. Thats literally what causuality manipulation does mand . Yeah maybe sure he does have potential counters but he won't be utilizing any because of will power manipulation .
What if willpower manipulation does not activate in time? It's what I've been trying to point out the whole time. Are you ignoring it?
Well of course im gona call ya on your shit.
Dont act as if you know the character then when evidently ya have no clue about him man . The blog itself lacks a shit ton of actual information on ger and is used as a guideline not hundred percent fact .
Well, make a CRT, then. It's mentioned on his profile and you haven't yet pointed out any of the blunders, imprecisions or lacks of informations, so shame on you for trying an argument by assertion.
Some of gers hax probably is pasive actually .
>Get can act. Thats were evidently ypure wrong. He cant act. He wont even want to act but ger can negate his actions and thoughts before his acts are even finished . No. The fear will make him hestotate at most for a moment on his oponent. But he himself fre game . And thats what maters here mand . Also the fact his fear manipulation only efected objects solely because the objects and beings feared his "power" a thing ger himself wpuldnt need to fear or wouldnt fear when he has feats of zero effort on par is of itself shody at best mand . The fear manipulation isnt even a actual hax its only being afraid of his power and not some mind hax thing . Of course even.things that cant fear fear his power but those things cant engage him any way mand .
Um... I really don't get you. I really didn't understand most of what you wrote here, maybe because your ortography already kinda sucks, and you overdid it this time. Anyways, if GER hesitates for even a single reaction time, even a single Planck time, Chuck Norris kills him during that time due to mercilessness. His fear manipulation will work, that's because it worked even on time and fear itself. It isn't just fear of his power (that's actually never really stated on the book even once!) but the fact that Chuck Norris is "so intimidating" that even concepts are afraid of him. So it's not a thing that depends on whether Requiem fears Chuck, but whether Requiem can resist his overwhelming fear of Chuck in order to lift a finger. We have decided that Requiem will ultimately be able to move and end up breaking the charm... but that will take too long. He'll be dead by that point, killed by a roundhouse kick and unable to return.
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I cant respond to that at the moment. Will do so at a later point. But yes he leads with that and ger is infinite in speed so not sure what youre point was any way im about to crash .
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>What if willpower manipulation does not activate in time? It's what I've been trying to point out the whole time. Are you ignoring it?
Its instant.
>Well, make a CRT, then. It's mentioned on his profile and you haven't yet pointed out any of the blunders, imprecisions or lacks of informations, so shame on you for trying an argument by assertion.
Mentioned. Its not on his profile though only linked as a basic guideline . Lack of information? How about the fact ger can function without giorno?
Its instant.
>Well, make a CRT, then. It's mentioned on his profile and you haven't yet pointed out any of the blunders, imprecisions or lacks of informations, so shame on you for trying an argument by assertion.
Mentioned. Its not on his profile though only linked as a basic guideline . Lack of information? How about the fact ger can function without giorno?
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No problem.
Speed is equalized, but if we're going with it Chuck's is so immeasurable he can kick you in the head yesterday (this is actually not equalized since it also counts as part of his time manipulation, so he can still do that, btw), so that doesn't mean a lot.
Good night. Sorry I got pissed.
Speed is equalized, but if we're going with it Chuck's is so immeasurable he can kick you in the head yesterday (this is actually not equalized since it also counts as part of his time manipulation, so he can still do that, btw), so that doesn't mean a lot.
Good night. Sorry I got pissed.
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His thoughts aren't instant. Is this going to become a dispute on who thinks faster, or are you going to at least notice that much?TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Mentioned. Its not on his profile though only linked as a basic guideline . Lack of information? How about the fact ger can function without giorno?
That's on Giorno's profile. I don't see anything that's in neither of them.
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