(Chrollo)Skill hunter vs magic collector(frieren)

[Politebunny7]

That's not travel speed lol. Nowhere on the profiles does it say Feitan or Chrollo can run or dash at Hypersonic speeds.

Nah, I gotta rep my goat Frieren.

If it says something like “hypersonic”, without any other context I believe the assumption is that all their speed is at that level unless specifically mentioned otherwise like “combat and reaction speed is X”,


Also Silva literally blitz cheetu, chrollo is able to keep up with sliva travel speed

 

[Imaginym]

this is already an undd-able match, just go with it

Why is that? Nen Crush Restriction?

 

[Arkenis]

Why is that? Nen Crush Restriction?

Yeah.

 

[Politebunny7]

Actually I’m pretty sure chrollo would just blitz her

 

[azontr]

I believe the assumption is that all their speed is at that level

That is not the assumption. Most profiles simply don't list travel speed as a separate thing, because most characters don't have specific travel speed feats to be listed.

Also Silva literally blitz cheetu,

Silva dropped on Cheetu lol. That's not a travel speed feat.

 

[Imaginym]

Actually I’m pretty sure chrollo would just blitz her

Speed: Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions (Kept up with and dodged attacks from Zeno and Silva Zoldyck[1]. Comparable to Hisoka in his dual and managed to dodge his max speed Bungee Gum[2])

Speed: Average Human with Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed (Can utilize and track lightning magic, which should be as fast as electricity, as well as battle those who can react to it physically)

Because that & Speed not Equalized?

 

[Politebunny7]

That is not the assumption. Most profiles simply don't list travel speed as a separate thing, because most characters don't have specific travel speed feats to be listed.

Silva dropped on Cheetu lol. That's not a travel speed feat.

Usually people travel, reaction and combat speed is the same (that’s why they would just say speed is X) because the implication is that the speed covering all. However if one of those categories are higher or lower than the other that’s when they say something on the lines of (reaction speed is X)
You can drop down on someone with your travel speed… or do you think Silva free fall is faster than cheetu travel speed, I think that’s just unlikely.

 

[Politebunny7]

Speed: Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions (Kept up with and dodged attacks from Zeno and Silva Zoldyck[1]. Comparable to Hisoka in his dual and managed to dodge his max speed Bungee Gum[2])

Speed: Average Human with Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed (Can utilize and track lightning magic, which should be as fast as electricity, as well as battle those who can react to it physically)

Because that & Speed not Equalized?

Yeah her only having supersonic reaction and or travel speed kinda make it a blitz for chrollo

 

[azontr]

Usually people travel, reaction and combat speed is the same (that’s why they would just say speed is X) because the implication is that the speed covering all. However if one of those categories are higher or lower than the other that’s when they say something on the lines of (reaction speed is X)

I am telling you that this is objectively not the case. Profiles will list a speed rating as a complete rating like "Hypersonic+ (Justification)" while linking to calcs that have nothing to do with travel speed. Chrollo is not an exception; his ratings only cover combat and reactions, this is fact.

You can drop down on someone with your travel speed…

Uh, usually one will drop down from the sky faster than they can run lol. It's called gravity.

Yeah her only having supersonic reaction and or travel speed kinda make it a blitz for chrollo

Equalize speed lol.

 

[Politebunny7]

I am telling you that this is objectively not the case. Profiles will list a speed rating as a complete rating like "Hypersonic+ (Justification)" while linking to calcs that have nothing to do with travel speed. Chrollo is not an exception; his ratings only cover combat and reactions, this is fact.

Uh, usually one will drop down from the sky faster than they can run lol. It's called gravity.

Equalize speed lol.

I don’t know, I just checked 3 profiles that does what I said that being Dante, goku and jotaro, I think the reason why they would say (X speed) and it be unrelated to travel because alot of the time people travel and fight at the same time like dbz, but if I’m wrong I’m wrong


and for the fall thing, irl yes but in this case I don’t believe, so you believe he was free falling faster than high hypersonic + without the use of his own travel speed? I think that’s ridiculous, Zeno said rather cheetu looked or not the outcome would be the same meaning that attack he is doing speed> I think the more likely case is he’s traveling with his own speed with the attack and that speed greater than cheetu

 

[azontr]

Dante

Does not do what you say. Dante's profile does the same thing Chrollo's does, aka it doesn't list a specific travel speed for Dante because obviously Dante from Devil May Cry can't run at ******* immeasurable speed.

goku

Does exactly what Chrollo's does.

jotaro

Literally lists his running speed separate from every other speed... why would you bring this up, it defeats your own argument.

I am not going to continue entertaining this argument.

and for the fall thing, irl yes but in this case I don’t believe, so you believe he was free falling faster than high hypersonic + without the use of his own travel speed? I think that’s ridiculous, Zeno said rather cheetu looked or not the outcome would be the same meaning that attack he is doing speed> I think the more likely case is he’s traveling with his own speed with the attack and that speed greater than cheetu

Dude, come on, Silva literally drops down from a thing that's clearly not moving at Hypersonic speed. If Silva could run faster than any modern vehicle, plane, or jet, then there is absolutely no need to have something carry him; he'd be able to travel Kilometers in seconds.

Pitou, someone most certainly faster than Silva, cannot return immediately from being knocked away by Netaro a few kilometers.

 

[Imaginym]

Maybe this Speed type discrepancy needs a Q&A or CRT Thread if there's some kind of issue with the profiles?

 

[azontr]

There's no issue with the profiles. This is just how the site treats speed. I actually don't know why I'm arguing about basic standard, so here's how this fight goes down:

Chrollo talking won't work. Chrollo attacking won't work because Frieren flies. Chrollo dodging won't work because he lacks the travel speed to get out of the range of Frieren's AoE.

I am not going to vote for Frieren because this match will not be officially added; but, Frieren wins.

 

[Imaginym]

There's no issue with the profiles. This is just how the site treats speed. I actually don't know why I'm arguing about basic standard, so here's how this fight goes down:

Chrollo talking won't work. Chrollo attacking won't work because Frieren flies. Chrollo dodging won't work because he lacks the travel speed to get out of the range of Frieren's AoE.

I am not going to vote for Frieren because this match will not be officially added; but, Frieren wins.

Speed: Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions (Kept up with and dodged attacks from Zeno and Silva Zoldyck[1]. Comparable to Hisoka in his dual and managed to dodge his max speed Bungee Gum[2])

Speed: Average Human with Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed (Can utilize and track lightning magic, which should be as fast as electricity, as well as battle those who can react to it physically)

Is there no issue? It doesn't clarify which is Travel or Combat, just which is Reactions.

Even so, he has much higher reactions & general speed; Whatever the Hypersonic+ refers to? Attack Speed? If it's that, why is Frieren's listed as Average Human if her Attack Speed isn't AH?

Even if he can't perceive/sense her magic, if Freiren's magic disrupts his aura's shape, he'd be able to feel that, infer the shape & trajectory from it, & then dodge.
He has Genius Level Intelligence, & should have the Skill & Speed for it:

Nen Manipulation (Specialist; His Nen type is a combination of the other five, but in a way that normal Nen user can not utilize. His talent for Nen is judged prodigious not only for his age but also by the standards of masters in the discipline. Can use all the basic and advanced techniques),

A perhaps relevant excerpt from his Intelligence:
In the fight against the Zoldycks, he focused on stealing Zeno's ability amid combat and leaving no openings to Silva to exploit, proving himself to be an efficient multitasker, which has brought the praise of both Silva and Zeno.


Also, we didn't even go over Chrollo's Hatsu. (Other than briefly considering Duplication for a SI option.)

To start with:

• Teleportation: The ability to teleport a person/thing back and forth from one place to another.

Our Wiki doesn't go into as much detail as the HxH on the ability, so I'll quote them on that:

Chrollo displayed the capacity to teleport a person from one place to another without that person's consent. He did so while remaining immobile, and without seeing the person he wanted to teleport or the destination. He used the ability on Nobunaga to prevent him from attacking Hisoka. Both Phinks and Machi were unaware that Chrollo possessed the ability.[35]

FWIW, both lack justifications on their Range statistics:
Range: Extended Melee Range normally, Hundreds of Meters with Nen techniques

Range: At least Kilometers, Tens of Kilometers with Mana Sensory

Unless she leads with Flying -& she doesn't know she'd need to do that, especially if Chrollo registers as weak, & maybe if he registers as not having mana at all- literally more than hundreds of meters away (Already out of human reach to begin with.) she'd still be in range. & it's not like either innately knows the other's range.

Heck, with the difference in reactions, Chrollo could do something like:
1. Freiren attacks while moving away into the air.
2. Freiren's magic attack alerts -Even if they can't perceive one another's energies, if it disrupts his aura, he could sense that- Chrollo, & due to the high difference in his Reactions & her Attack Speed, he evades it.
3. With her starting to leave the limits of his range. Teleport Freiren & himself, leaving her on the ground & in the path of her own magic attack, & since she'd likely be facing towards him to have visual on Chrollo, her back would be to her own attack as well.


He could also just use his higher combat speed to toss his Ben's Knife at her: Poison Manipulation (Chrollo claims his Ben's Knife contains poison so potent that 0.1 mg is enough to paralyze a whale)

I'm not sure of the exact difference in Speed, but Freiren would likely have a limited amount of time to dodge, if any.

 

[Nierre]

Chrollo's hypersonic speed rating comes from (massively) upscaling from Gon blitzing a Hunter. So that is Chrollo's travel/running speed.

 

[Politebunny7]

Guess we need to equal speed or it’s a stomp

 

[Imaginym]

Guess we need to equal speed or it’s a stomp

I'm not sure. It could definitrly be so, but....

Speed: Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions (Kept up with and dodged attacks from Zeno and Silva Zoldyck[1]. Comparable to Hisoka in his dual and managed to dodge his max speed Bungee Gum[2])

Speed: Average Human with Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed (Can utilize and track lightning magic, which should be as fast as electricity, as well as battle those who can react to it physically)

I think it depends on where in Hypersonic+ & High Hypersonic they are, assuming those 2 speed tiers are close?
Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

 

[Politebunny7]

Already done did it

 

[Politebunny7]

These characters have some similarities outside just collecting abilities they wish to understand humans more

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'm not sure. It could definitrly be so, but....

Speed: Hypersonic+ with High Hypersonic reactions (Kept up with and dodged attacks from Zeno and Silva Zoldyck[1]. Comparable to Hisoka in his dual and managed to dodge his max speed Bungee Gum[2])

Speed: Average Human with Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed (Can utilize and track lightning magic, which should be as fast as electricity, as well as battle those who can react to it physically)

I think it depends on where in Hypersonic+ & High Hypersonic they are, assuming those 2 speed tiers are close?
Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Frieren is at like 11-12 Mach, meanwhile Chrollo is at 21 Mach for his movement stuff (Kept up with Hisoka and dodged his stuff), and around 42 Mach iirc, considering he kept up with Zeno. So, Chrollo is almost 4x faster reaction speed-wise, and almost 2x faster normally.

No comments on the match since I don't know jack about Frieren and not that well versed on Chrollo. Meruem, on the other hand...

 

[Politebunny7]

I equalize speed