(Chrollo)Skill hunter vs magic collector(frieren)

[Politebunny7]

Chrollo vs frieren
Nen crush restricted
Speed equal

Chrollo Lucilfer

Chrollo Lucilfer (クロロ=ルシルフル, Kuroro Rushirufuru) is the leader of the Phantom Troupe, an infamous gang of thieves with class A bounties. His physical strength ranked seventh in the group. He is known to have orchestrated the Kurta Clan Massacre, which set Kurapika on a path of vengeance. A...

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Frieren

Frieren is the primary protagonist of Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Eighty years after defeating the demon king as a member of the hero Himmel's party, she travels the world to discover new magic while visiting places where her party traveled during their 10 year voyage to defeat the demon...

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[Imaginym]

Are Nen & Frieren's Magic equivalent?
Could Frieren sense Chrollo's Nen? Could Chrollo sense Frieren's magic?

Also, how friendly is Frieren? Normally, characters don't just not become friends, but....

Social Influencing (Chrollo is extraordinarily charismatic, and has the undying loyalty of Troupe members. Easily charmed Neon Nostrade. Is a highly skilled actor, successfully convincing the mafia that Neon had fallen unconscious for no reason)


This match didn't give Chrollo Preparation.
Preparation (Chrollo improves drastically if he prepares to his fights, like in his battle with Hisoka)

Meaning Chrollo's here unprepared & would probably be uncomfortable/on edge. He doesn't know who this is, so he'd have more reason to be cautious.

& either:
A. He can't sense Frieren. This would probably alarm a Nen user, as, IIRC even people not awakened to Nen & regular animals & plants, IIRC, have it; I'd assume, nothing to sense would be like registering Frieren as not even alive.
B. He can sense Frieren, & she registers as weak. IIRC, Chrollo is usually personable, & keeps a low profile, being a member of a legendary group of thieves, & someone with a power-stealing ability.
Heck, the conditions for said ability are:

The theft happens under strict conditions:

1. Chrollo must witness the Nen ability in action with his eyes.
2. He must ask questions about Nen and be answered by the victim.
3. His victim's palm must touch the handprint on the cover of Bandit's Secret.
4. All of the above must be completed within one hour.[61]

Also, IIRC, Freiren likes collecting rare Grimoires.

So is Kortopi alive for this match? If so, Chrollo can use this:

• Gallery Fake (神の左手悪魔の右手ギャラリーフェイク Divine Left Hand, Demonic Right Hand): When Chrollo touches an object with his left hand, his Nen ability allows him to conjure a replica of that object with his right hand. He cannot reproduce living beings except as inanimate objects, meaning the copies will look like corpses, and Chrollo cannot replicate another user's Nen. The replicas vanish after 24 hours, regardless of their size. However, before their disappearance, Chrollo can track the movements of each copied object by using his En (provided that he can touch the originals). Chrollo stole this ability from Kortopi in preparation for his duel to the death with Hisoka to create puppets to control with Order Stamp.

But per Chrollo's profile:

Spoiler: HxH Spoilers

As of the Dark Continent arc, he has lost Clairvoyance, Body Puppetry, and Duplication due to the deaths of Neon Nostrade, Shalnark, and Kortopi.

In theory, this match could end quickly. if regular Social Influencing doesn't work, he could bargain with her.

After all, Frieren likes collecting Grimoires, & to use his stolen powers, Chrollo has:
While using an ability, Chrollo must turn to the page with the skill on it, and the book must remain open in his right hand; this means he could only have access to one chosen ability at a time.


So if Social Influencing fails, Chrollo might pull out Bandit's Secret (His book) so that he can use his copied powers.
Frieren sees a book she's never seen, Chrollo notices interest, uses Kortopi's Duplication ability, Social Influence again, Frieren takes the copy of the books, they part on peaceful terms.
(At least maybe until the 24 hours pass & Frieren perhaps notices her new Grimoire disappeared, which could happen if only because, at least out of a fight, she can lose track of time easily due to her longevity, IIRC.)

 

[azontr]

Are Nen & Frieren's Magic equivalent?
Could Frieren sense Chrollo's Nen? Could Chrollo sense Frieren's magic?

Also, how friendly is Frieren? Normally, characters don't just not become friends, but....

Social Influencing (Chrollo is extraordinarily charismatic, and has the undying loyalty of Troupe members. Easily charmed Neon Nostrade. Is a highly skilled actor, successfully convincing the mafia that Neon had fallen unconscious for no reason)


This match didn't give Chrollo Preparation.
Preparation (Chrollo improves drastically if he prepares to his fights, like in his battle with Hisoka)

Meaning Chrollo's here unprepared & would probably be uncomfortable/on edge. He doesn't know who this is, so he'd have more reason to be cautious.

& either:
A. He can't sense Frieren. This would probably alarm a Nen user, as, IIRC even people not awakened to Nen & regular animals & plants, IIRC, have it; I'd assume, nothing to sense would be like registering Frieren as not even alive.
B. He can sense Frieren, & she registers as weak. IIRC, Chrollo is usually personable, & keeps a low profile, being a member of a legendary group of thieves, & someone with a power-stealing ability.
Heck, the conditions for said ability are:

The theft happens under strict conditions:

1. Chrollo must witness the Nen ability in action with his eyes.
2. He must ask questions about Nen and be answered by the victim.
3. His victim's palm must touch the handprint on the cover of Bandit's Secret.
4. All of the above must be completed within one hour.[61]

Also, IIRC, Freiren likes collecting rare Grimoires.

So is Kortopi alive for this match? If so, Chrollo can use this:

• Gallery Fake (神の左手悪魔の右手ギャラリーフェイク Divine Left Hand, Demonic Right Hand): When Chrollo touches an object with his left hand, his Nen ability allows him to conjure a replica of that object with his right hand. He cannot reproduce living beings except as inanimate objects, meaning the copies will look like corpses, and Chrollo cannot replicate another user's Nen. The replicas vanish after 24 hours, regardless of their size. However, before their disappearance, Chrollo can track the movements of each copied object by using his En (provided that he can touch the originals). Chrollo stole this ability from Kortopi in preparation for his duel to the death with Hisoka to create puppets to control with Order Stamp.

But per Chrollo's profile:

Spoiler: HxH Spoilers

As of the Dark Continent arc, he has lost Clairvoyance, Body Puppetry, and Duplication due to the deaths of Neon Nostrade, Shalnark, and Kortopi.

In theory, this match could end quickly. if regular Social Influencing doesn't work, he could bargain with her.

After all, Frieren likes collecting Grimoires, & to use his stolen powers, Chrollo has:
While using an ability, Chrollo must turn to the page with the skill on it, and the book must remain open in his right hand; this means he could only have access to one chosen ability at a time.


So if Social Influencing fails, Chrollo might pull out Bandit's Secret (His book) so that he can use his copied powers.
Frieren sees a book she's never seen, Chrollo notices interest, uses Kortopi's Duplication ability, Social Influence again, Frieren takes the copy of the books, they part on peaceful terms.
(At least maybe until the 24 hours pass & Frieren perhaps notices her new Grimoire disappeared, which could happen if only because, at least out of a fight, she can lose track of time easily due to her longevity, IIRC.)

It is 100% not in-character for Frieren to get distracted by Grimoire's in the midst of combat. She collects them to pass time and due to her own interest and love of Magic, but not to the point she would be distracted by something that kinda looks like a Grimoire while a fight's happening. If this was a tactic that worked on her, nearly every Demon in the series would exploit such a thing to kill her.

 

[Imaginym]

It is 100% not in-character for Frieren to get distracted by Grimoire's in the midst of combat. She collects them to pass time and due to her own interest and love of Magic, but not to the point she would be distracted by something that kinda looks like a Grimoire while a fight's happening. If this was a tactic that worked on her, nearly every Demon in the series would exploit such a thing to kill her.

Hasn't she spent like, 12 hours trying to decide on which book to take from a mansion library?
Still, good to know. Nonetheless, what about the initial Social Influencing?

Chrollo's Intelligence section for reference:

Intelligence: Genius (Chrollo is extremely intelligent, resourceful, and charismatic. When he was young, he managed to learn 3 languages by himself as well as having the talent to dub different characters in a cartoon, much to the admiration of his peers and the meteor city elders. He is also natural-born leader, as most Troupe members are incredibly loyal to him and follow his orders without question. His plans usually go smoothly, and he has shown to be both knowledgeable and intuitive. He was able to trick the whole Yorknew City's mafia into thinking that he had died along with his comrades. He managed to predict part of the "Chain user's" strategy of vengeance, though Kurapika and Hisoka outsmarted him. He has complete dominion over his emotions, as demonstrated when captured by Kurapika, with Melody claiming that Chrollo had no fear of his demise and that he lived alongside death every day. In the fight against the Zoldycks, he focused on stealing Zeno's ability amid combat and leaving no openings to Silva to exploit, proving himself to be an efficient multitasker, which has brought the praise of both Silva and Zeno. Chrollo also plans ahead; he hires the remaining Zoldyck assassins to kill the people who paid Zeno and Silva to call off their mission, knowing he stands little to no chance if the two greatest assassins gang up on him)


Even if he didn't know of her interest, since he's unprepared, it's probably in his interest to diffuse, & a gift (Duplicated or otherwise.) could help in diplomacy.

 

[azontr]

Hasn't she spent like, 12 hours trying to decide on which book to take from a mansion library?

That was evidently not in the midst of combat. She is far too experienced to let magical books distract her while she's engaging an opponent.

Even if he didn't know of her interest, since he's unprepared, it's probably in his interest to diffuse, & a gift (Duplicated or otherwise.) could help in diplomacy.

It really depends on her mindset in this fight, as if she's in any way serious or nearing a state of bloodlust, she wouldn't give Chrollo a chance to talk.

The only times she'll give an opponent a chance to influence her in the midst of battle is if A. She knows she can afford too, aka not serious about harming them or just not serious in general. B. She wants to stall for time, like against Solitar.

Standard Battle Assumptions dictate that Frieren views Chrollo as an enemy that can cause her severe harm, and given she has no knowledge of his abilities (ergo no reason to stall for time in case she decides she needs to for whatever reason), she will not allow Chrollo to influence her.

 

[Imaginym]

That was evidently not in the midst of combat. She is far too experienced to let magical books distract her while she's engaging an opponent.

It really depends on her mindset in this fight, as if she's in any way serious or nearing a state of bloodlust, she wouldn't give Chrollo a chance to talk.

The only times she'll give an opponent a chance to influence her in the midst of battle is if A. She knows she can afford too, aka not serious about harming them or just not serious in general. B. She wants to stall for time, like against Solitar.

Standard Battle Assumptions dictate that Frieren views Chrollo as an enemy that can cause her severe harm, and given she has no knowledge of his abilities (ergo no reason to stall for time in case she decides she needs to for whatever reason), she will not allow Chrollo to influence her.

For what it's worth, I think this is an aspect where questioning their energy system senses come up again.

Can Chrollo &/or Frieren sense one another's magic/nen?
If not, they'll likely register each other as absurdly weak (No energy sensed.) or very suspicious, since a living thing without Nen (& maybe without magic.) is very suspect, especially if it looks like a person, I presume.

If they can sense it, both might think the other is weak, but since they're both intelligent & Chrollo isn't specified to have Preparation, I'd assume they'd both be cautious since they both have settings where it's important to be able to tell if someone is hiding their power level.

So are their UESes equivalent?

If she's suspicious/questioning, or thinks Chrollo's weak, she might be more willing to engage in conversation, no?
& even if she isn't responding, she'd hear what Chrollo says anyway, no?

 

[azontr]

If not, they'll likely register each other as absurdly weak

Not at all. You can be powerful in Frieren and not have an absurdly large pool of Mana; the existence of Warriors proves as much. Frieren has fought and met Warriors that likely can't match her mana pool but are still as strong as her just with Martial Arts.

Really, the only way Frieren underestimates Chrollo here is if he comes off as pathetic and helpless as humanly possible. But even this tactic is unlikely to work, as it's a tactic commonly applied by Demons, who use deception to trick people into thinking they're harmless before brutally killing them. Unless Chrollo actually proves himself to be that much weaker than Frieren, she is certainly not going to underestimate him.

 

[Imaginym]

Not at all. You can be powerful in Frieren and not have an absurdly large pool of Mana; the existence of Warriors proves as much. Frieren has fought and met Warriors that likely can't match her mana pool but are still as strong as her just with Martial Arts.

Really, the only way Frieren underestimates Chrollo here is if he comes off as pathetic and helpless as humanly possible. But even this tactic is unlikely to work, as it's a tactic commonly applied by Demons, who use deception to trick people into thinking they're harmless before brutally killing them. Unless Chrollo actually proves himself to be that much weaker than Frieren, she is certainly not going to underestimate him.

So what about listening to his words in the event she's suspicious & wants information?

 

[azontr]

So what about listening to his words in the event she's suspicious & wants information?

I have no idea what information Frieren would believe Chrollo has looking purely at his appearance. He's not a Demon, and stands out a bit to much to be a Shadow Warrior or Assassin.

 

[Imaginym]

I have no idea what information Frieren would believe Chrollo has looking purely at his appearance. He's not a Demon, and stands out a bit to much to be a Shadow Warrior or Assassin.

Yeah, but if he doesn't appear to have magic at all (If Nen & Magic are not equivalent.) wouldn't that be suspicious to her?
Surely even Warriors have limited amounts or some in their life energy or such?

 

[azontr]

Well, having absolutely no Mana would be weird to her, yeah. But in a fight, she wouldn't really probe into why he lacks mana if she believes this guy is trying to kill her.

 

[Imaginym]

Well, having absolutely no Mana would be weird to her, yeah. But in a fight, she wouldn't really probe into why he lacks mana if she believes this guy is trying to kill her.

Has she fought characters with no Mana & done so, if you'll forgive my asking?

Also, if Chrollo leads with Social Influencing, it might be possible she could come to believe -Correctly or otherwise- that he's NOT trying to kill her, even if the initial assumption -Per Standard Battle Assumptions- is hostility, no?

 

[azontr]

Has she fought characters with no Mana & done so, if you'll forgive my asking?

No, but someone lacking Mana entirely is the last thing she's going to let trip her up in combat. It's a phenomena she would discuss with other powerful mages in the world and would do extensive research into when she's NOT in battle. Frieren keeps the magical researcher part of her life and the "Frieren the Slayer" part of her life separate in situations like this.

The best I can give you is that she may try and immobilize Chrollo rather than kill him so that he can be studied, but this heavily depends on how she perceives him as an opponent.

Also, if Chrollo leads with Social Influencing,

This entirely depends on if Chrollo can form a full sentence fast enough to convince her before she's begun bombarding him with Zoltraak blasts.

 

[Imaginym]

No, but someone lacking Mana entirely is the last thing she's going to let trip her up in combat. It's a phenomena she would discuss with other powerful mages in the world and would do extensive research into when she's NOT in battle. Frieren keeps the magical researcher part of her life and the "Frieren the Slayer" part of her life separate in situations like this.

The best I can give you is that she may try and immobilize Chrollo rather than kill him so that he can be studied, but this heavily depends on how she perceives him as an opponent.

This entirely depends on if Chrollo can form a full sentence fast enough to convince her before she's begun bombarding him with Zoltraak blasts.

Noted. Then the question becomes once again, if they can sense each other's energies, because:

Tier: 10-B physically; at least Low 7-C with Magic

Tier: 8-A, up to Low 7-C with Ryu and Ko, possibly higher with some of the stolen Hatsu

Ten, Ren, Ko, Ken, Shu, and Ryu all enhance physical characteristics with Ko putting all aura into one place, Ken being a prolonged use of Ren, Shu extends aura onto physical objects which enhances them physically and Ryu being dividing aura into different places at different ratios, at the same time. Also grants enhanced agility and mobility (jumping much higher and further etc.)

• Ryu (流リュウ, Ryū; "Flow") is the use of Gyo from Ken within active combat, designating percentages of aura to different parts of the body when needed.
• Ko (硬コウ, Kō; "Temper") is a combination of Ten, Zetsu, Hatsu, Ren, and Gyo to concentrate the users aura into one particular body part. Ten maintains the aura around the place. Zetsu stops the flow of aura everywhere else. Ren exponentially increases the amount of aura in the place. However, aura around the body is dispelled leaving the user vulnerable.

I'm not sure what value Chrollo is in 8-A nor in Low 7-C, nor in his scaling chain & likewise for Frieren.

But for him to be in the same tier as Frieren's magic, he has to be basically distributing large amounts of his Aura into specific parts of his body.

In theory, it leaves him vulnerable in some spots, but better guarded in others; Since he's not Low 7-C without those aura techniques, any part of him that isn't enhanced in such a way is taking a lot more damage. (Similar to how Frieren would if she didn't guard with a barrier or such against an attack, in theory, AFAIK.)


So can they perceive one anothers' energies or are they dodging "blind"?
& can their energies interact? For example, Beings with Nen typically have a thin film of Aura around them. Some techniques like Ren or En project the aura around the body moreso, & that one can feel their Aura's shape or area of effect be disrupted by something entering it is the basis of a technique like En designed to sense in a large area by simply expanding 1's aura for more range.

So if, I'm not mistaken, if their energies interact, stuff could happen like a magic attack grazing Chrollo or entering his aura, allowing him to feel it not by sensing mana, but by noticing that the presence of his Nen/aura was disrupted, even if it didn't contact his body.

So can they perceive/sense one another's energies?
Do their energies interact?

 

[azontr]

So can they perceive/sense one another's energies?
Do their energies interact?

Depends on if OP wants to equalize power systems, which in turn depends on whether or not Aura and Mana are similar enough to be equalized.

 

[Imaginym]

Depends on if OP wants to equalize power systems, which in turn depends on whether or not Aura and Mana are similar enough to be equalized.

Welp, guess that question's up in the air.

Chrollo vs frieren
Nen crush restricted

Chrollo Lucilfer

Chrollo Lucilfer (クロロ=ルシルフル, Kuroro Rushirufuru) is the leader of the Phantom Troupe, an infamous gang of thieves with class A bounties. His physical strength ranked seventh in the group. He is known to have orchestrated the Kurta Clan Massacre, which set Kurapika on a path of vengeance. A...

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Frieren

Frieren is the primary protagonist of Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Eighty years after defeating the demon king as a member of the hero Himmel's party, she travels the world to discover new magic while visiting places where her party traveled during their 10 year voyage to defeat the demon...

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Any stance on the matters brought up so far?

 

[Arkenis]

Nen crush restricted

Chrollo Lucilfer

Chrollo Lucilfer (クロロ=ルシルフル, Kuroro Rushirufuru) is the leader of the Phantom Troupe, an infamous gang of thieves with class A bounties. His physical strength ranked seventh in the group. He is known to have orchestrated the Kurta Clan Massacre, which set Kurapika on a path of vengeance. A...

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This can't be restricted. It's a standard thing and isn't a higher tier.

 

[azontr]

It can be restricted, the match just won't get added to the profiles.

 

[Arkenis]

I thought matches like that go into fng

 

[Politebunny7]

Welp, guess that question's up in the air.

Any stance on the matters brought up so far?

I didn’t read much of what was said above, chrollo in character holds back in a fight he had time to study but here he doesn’t , in this case here I believe he would probably start the battle with zetsu and try to sneak attack frieren after observing her, I do think this will work on frieren, i think it make sense for frieren to hold back especially against a human, and I think she would have her guard down and chrollo would use one of his one shot abilities

 

[Imaginym]

I didn’t read much of what was said above, chrollo in character holds back in a fight he had time to study but here he doesn’t , in this case here I believe he would probably start the battle with zetsu and try to sneak attack frieren after observing her, I do think this will work on frieren, i think it make sense for frieren to hold back especially against a human, and I think she would have her guard down and chrollo would use one of his one shot abilities

Thank you (& also, Chrollo going for Stealth when his opponent is probably attacking from the get go & due to SBA, is aware of him & where he is from the start seems silly.), but I meant about this:

Depends on if OP wants to equalize power systems, which in turn depends on whether or not Aura and Mana are similar enough to be equalized.

As is, it's uncertain if they can perceive or interact with one another's energy systems, Nen & Mana respectively.

Even without Nen Crush, both of them can easily take devastating amounts of damage from one another's energy-based attacks due to their tiering, & if they can't perceive one another's stuff, they might be dodging "blind" in that regard.

Frieren is 10-B Durability without magic but slings Low 7-C Attacks, & Chrollo is 8-A without Nen, but Low 7-C with Nen techniques that require redistributing his Nen to concentrate it in certain parts, thus endangering the parts that have less Nen in them as a result of that redistribution. (& also he's higher with some techniques.)

Whether or not they can see, sense, feel, etc. one another's energies probably changes this matchup.

 

[Politebunny7]

Thank you (& also, Chrollo going for Stealth when his opponent is probably attacking from the get go & due to SBA, is aware of him & where he is from the start seems silly.), but I meant about this:

As is, it's uncertain if they can perceive or interact with one another's energy systems, Mana & Nen respectively.

Even without Nen Crush, both of them can easily take devastating amounts of damage from one another's energy-based attacks due to their tiering, & if they can't perceive one another's stuff, they might be dodging "blind" in that regard.

I think it’s logical for him to, frieren would most likely start the battle with range attacks while also trying observe, only way chrollo can really close the distance is him dodging and then using zetsu for the most sure win, we see him do similar to hisoka but that is contextual


And for nen and magic I’m not sure if they have too many similarities to be equalize,

 

[Imaginym]

I think it’s logical for him to, frieren would most likely start the battle with range attacks while also trying observe, only way chrollo can really close the distance is him dodging and then using zetsu for the most sure win, we see him do similar to hisoka but that is contextual

He does? He used Zetsu to approach Hisoka?

And for nen and magic I’m not sure if they have too many similarities to be equalize,

Well that's great because whether or not they can would affect things.

Because as I see it, whether or not they can means we have to account for at least both the scenario where Chrollo & Frieren can perceive/interact & the scenario where they can't.

Perhaps, since you're uncertain, we should try to determine if they're similar enough?

Can we get an overview of how magic in Frieren's setting & how Nen work?

 

[Politebunny7]

He does? He used Zetsu to approach Hisoka?

Well that's great because whether or not they can would affect things.

Because as I see it, whether or not they can means we have to account for at least both the scenario where Chrollo & Frieren can perceive/interact & the scenario where they can't.

Perhaps, since you're uncertain, we should try to determine if they're similar enough?

Can we get an overview of how magic in Frieren's setting & how Nen work?

No he hides within his environment to sneak attack hisoka, he of course can’t do that here because they won’t be in the same environment but he can just hide himself with zetsu

magic from my memory/ knowledge wasn’t explained that well internally within the series maybe someone more knowledgeable could


Nen is a energy all living things have to make them be able to manipulate their life energy/ aura

 

[Imaginym]

No he hides within his environment to sneak attack hisoka, he of course can’t do that here because they won’t be in the same environment but he can just hide himself with zetsu

SBA says default location is Central Park, New York.
Thinking on it, Zetsu might also not work IF Frieren can't perceive Nen because Chrollo might stand out as being a thing in the environment with no Mana, unless IRL New York plants also lack mana.
But if she can perceive Nen, & IRL NY plants lack it, then Chrollo would stand out as the only thing with Nen.

For Zetsu stealth to work, wouldn't Chrollo need the local scenery to have whatever Frieren is perceiving AND for that to also be present in him or something?

Zetsu - Stealth Mastery and Limited Body Control (Zetsu shuts off all aura nodes in the body, effectively concealing a user's presence, it can conceal from even other Nen Users. Ordinary people are unable to sense them even if they're in direct line of sight. Zetsu also relieves fatigue as aura is forced to stay inside)
Zetsu (絶ゼツ, Zetsu; "Suppress"/"Null") stops the flow of aura from their body altogether by closing all of their aura nodes. This makes them harder or even impossible to perceive or sense. However this means ones defence to any Nen attack, Ten, is taken away making it a big risk to use. Zetsu can also relieve fatigue because it stops the use of aura.


Would this make someone without Nen less able to perceive him? In HxH, even regular people & animals have Nen, even if they haven't learned to use it.
Zetsu is, after all, just preventing your aura leaving your body, isn't it? & it also makes you more vulnerable to what does hit you.

magic from my memory/ knowledge wasn’t explained that well internally within the series maybe someone more knowledgeable could


Nen is a energy all living things have to make them be able to manipulate their life energy/ aura

Anyone knowledgeable about mana/magic from Frieren's setting?

 

[azontr]

If Chrollo disappears with Zetsu, Frieren will just fly a kilometer in the air and nuke the area.

 

[Politebunny7]

If Chrollo disappears with Zetsu, Frieren will just fly a kilometer in the air and nuke the area.

When has she done this in character?

 

[Imaginym]

If Chrollo disappears with Zetsu, Frieren will just fly a kilometer in the air and nuke the area.

If so, all the more reason that whether they can perceive it or not matters. Invisible, undetectable nuke is a big deal.

 

[azontr]

When has she done this in character?

She flies all the time in character; most Mage battles go down in the air. An opponent seemingly disappearing that she couldn't sense with Mana Detection would only prompt her to bombard an area until she hits them.

 

[Imaginym]

She flies all the time in character; most Mage battles go down in the air. An opponent seemingly disappearing that she couldn't sense with Mana Detection would only prompt her to bombard an area until she hits them.

I should have clarified that I Liked the post with that question because I meant about "nuking".
Also, is it just beam spam? One big explosion?
Shape of the assault/the AoE of it?
& also, we still have it undetermined if they can sense each other or not.

(Hopefully I'm not being exasperating.)

 

[Politebunny7]

She flies all the time in character; most Mage battles go down in the air. An opponent seemingly disappearing that she couldn't sense with Mana Detection would only prompt her to bombard an area until she hits them.

I agree with flying however her flying speed is pretty slow and nuking seems out of character but even if it was her destructive capability doesn’t really destroy much if the battle take place in sba

 

[azontr]

Also, is it just beam spam? One big explosion?
Shape of the assault/the AoE of it?

Depends on the Spell she's using.

nuking seems out of character

If there's people/bystanders in the area, yes. If not, it's absolutely within Frieren's standard mindset, if she needs to do it.

destructive capability doesn’t really destroy much

Ehhhhh

 

[Politebunny7]

Depends on the Spell she's using.

If there's people/bystanders in the area, yes. If not, it's absolutely within Frieren's standard mindset, if she needs to do it.

Ehhhhh

Yeah that’s not really a big enough aoe to just fly up and Nuke all of New York, it would destroy a portion of course but not enough for a wincon, especially if she cant track chrollo in New York, I’m not sure if she is able to spam it and I don’t think in character she would use it the way you’re saying

 

[azontr]

Yeah that’s not really a big enough aoe to just fly up and Nuke all of New York, it would destroy a portion of course but not enough for a wincon, especially if she cant track chrollo in New York, I’m not sure if she is able to spam it and I don’t think in character she would use it the way you’re saying

Assuming Chrollo has the travel speed to somehow travel the entire distance of New York before Frieren can release a single, spammable beam?? He's not getting out of her range before she can attack even if he's moving at supersonic speed.

 

[Politebunny7]

Assuming Chrollo has the travel speed to somehow travel the entire distance of New York before Frieren can release a single, spammable beam?? He's not getting out of her range before she can attack even if he's moving at supersonic speed.

Yes his travel speed should be higher than just sub sonic, a rusty feitan is hypersonic and zazan was able to keep up with his travel speed some

 

[azontr]

Well that is not on his profile or Feitan's profile, so it's not exactly a relevant point.

 

[Arkenis]

this is already an undd-able match, just go with it

 

[Imaginym]

Well that is not on his profile or Feitan's profile, so it's not exactly a relevant point.

Perhaps the profile needs to be revised for accuracy, then?

 

[Politebunny7]

Well that is not on his profile or Feitan's profile, so it's not exactly a relevant point.

It says hypersonic with hypersonic+ reaction ?

 

[azontr]

It says hypersonic with hypersonic+ reaction ?

That's not travel speed lol. Nowhere on the profiles does it say Feitan or Chrollo can run or dash at Hypersonic speeds.

this is already an undd-able match, just go with it

Nah, I gotta rep my goat Frieren.