Chou SSJ Vegeta MFTL+ upgrade

[chosen]

Hm maybe ig then but should be calced

 

[Spinoirr]

It doesn't matter as anyone who is 3-B In the manga apparently scales above beerus and gokus shockwave arcoss universe 7 and into the realm of the Kai in a second

 

[God900]

Characters reacting to the Life force energy spheres which travel at costant speed, which later on spreaded through the universe.

 

[God900]

It doesn't matter as anyone who is 3-B In the manga apparently scales above beerus and gokus shockwave arcoss universe 7 and into the realm of the Kai in a second

Then we should a CRT. You could do it.

 

[Orange]

Then we should a CRT. You could do it.

Do we even have a calc for it? I don't think the manga has it
it shouldn't be different from the anime's speed Ig

 

[Nullflowerblush]

even Mr popo and Dende (both should have MFTL+ reactions)

you lost me

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Ik ss goku > top piccolo i talk about moro arc piccolo

... What kind of power jump or justification made SSJ-Level Piccolo jump to SSB-Level? Since when?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

They flight to moro at the same speed and seemingly hit him at the same time despite starting from the same time
Piccolo was fighting alongside gohan at seemingly same speed Like in 4 fights this arc

That's the reason to scale them? No, fighting at the same time does not mean they are in the same level. Both are equally fodder in comparision to Moro too, so it makes no sense to say they are equal.

Let me exemplify this:

Say Moro is a 1.000.000.000
Now, say Gohan is a 50.000, and Piccolo is a 1.000

In comparison, in battle, both will seem equally insignificant to Moro, despite having very different levels of power between themselves.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

They both fight at the same time in the TOP too, they are a team. Piccolo wasn't comparable to Gohan them (pretty sure Gohan could one shot Piccolo at this point), and he isn't now.

 

[chosen]

... What kind of power jump or justification made SSJ-Level Piccolo jump to SSB-Level? Since when?

Maybe training idk
The gohan stuff is actually consistent
We see their attacks traveling at similar speed and fighting against saganbo against similar speed
If one was blue tier and one ss tier i don't see why they team up so often too

 

[chosen]

No, fighting at the same time does not mean they are in the same level. Both are equally fodder in comparision to Moro too, so it makes no sense to say they are equal.

Let me exemplify this:

Say Moro is a 1.000.000.000
Now, say Gohan is a 50.000, and Piccolo is a 1.000

Tehy were clearly flying towards moro at similar speed too?
I don't see why moro changes anything

They both fight at the same time in the TOP too, they are a team. Piccolo wasn't comparable to Gohan them (pretty sure Gohan could one shot Piccolo at this point), and he isn't now.

Yeah and as you showed in those Instances gohan was holding back
It makes no sense to hold back in moro arc against 73 saganbo and moro

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Maybe training idk

Nope, you don't jump a whole-ass tier from unmentioned training off-screen for a few days. Even for Dragon Ball, that's absurd.
If no training was mentioned, implied or alluded to, no training happened, and therefore Piccolo isn't anywhere near SSB Level from nothing

The gohan stuff is actually consistent
We see their attacks traveling at similar speed and fighting against saganbo against similar speed

I see nothing, please tell me the chapter.

If one was blue tier and one ss tier i don't see why they team up so often too

They literally did. They have something called a bond. Gohan will team up with the much weaker Piccolo, and have done so (In the Tournament of Power, for example, where it's clear he isn't even SSJ level), because he likes him. There's no other reason. He was even willing to team up with Tien at the start, who couldn't do ANYTHING to Frost

Tehy were clearly flying towards moro at similar speed too?
I don't see why moro changes anything

We're scaling combat speed to travel speed now? What is this, 2016?
Either way, flying towards someone at similar speed isn't enough of a reason to scale the 4-B Piccolo to the 3-B Full-Power Gohan
Literally a whole god damn tier, nor is it reason to scale the 30000c Piccolo to the quadrillion FTL Full-Power Gohan

Yeah and as you showed in those Instances gohan was holding back
It makes no sense to hold back in moro arc against 73 saganbo and moro

That doesn't really matter, unless we see Piccolo keeping up with someone Gohan can, we're not scaling the two.

 

[chosen]

I see nothing, please tell me the chapter.

Chapter 56
Yes and again as you showed in top gohan was holding back anf never fought alongside each other while both at fp
In moro arc there is no reason for gohan to hold back. Earth was at play

We're scaling combat speed to travel speed now? What is this, 2016?
Either way, flying towards someone at similar speed isn't enough of a reason to scale the 4-B Piccolo to the 3-B Full-Power Gohan

Similar flight speed = similar combat in db duh
I mean i don't see why if gohan woudk have no reason to slow down in a situation Like this
If gohan was supposed to be fast enough be massivelly faster piccolo wouldn't travel ar similar speed at all

 

[God900]

Do we even have a calc for it? I don't think the manga has it
it shouldn't be different from the anime's speed Ig

Yeah, we should do a Calc for it.

@GodlyCharmander What do you think of this?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Chapter 56
Yes and again as you showed in top gohan was holding back anf never fought alongside each other while both at fp
In moro arc there is no reason for gohan to hold back. Earth was at play


Similar flight speed = similar combat in db duh

Since WHEN?
You're scaling two character that have been CONSISTENTLY portrayed as far apart as they can be in terms of power based on a scene where they charge at someone.

That's nonsense. And I'll prove it.

Chapter 53

• Seven-Three speedblitzes Piccolo
• Seven-Three is portrayed as slight stronger than Piccolo
• Piccolo admits he is getting beaten, and can't defeat Seven-Three
• "You're the strongest fighter we got on Earth", meaning Piccolo does NOT scale to him at all
• Gohan both speedblitzes and absolutely rolls Seven-Three by going full power immediately, he also made a hole in his body, which Piccolo is incapable of doing
• Gohan casually dodges attacks from this "Piccolo Level" Seven-Three
• Seven-Three uses Hellzone Granade, Gohan very casually speedblitzes and rolls him again. Remember, Seven-Three is basically Piccolo-Level but with infinite stamina.
• "I've got mixed feelings about you beating a copy of me that easily"
• Gohan curbstomps Giant Seven-Three, aka Giant Piccolo with infinite stamina

Some context now:

• From now on, Seven-Three was using Moro's power
• He ate Gohan's Chi Blast, thus, getting stronger

Chapter 56

• "Seven-Three, that one guy (Gohan) is stronger, switch up to him" (Moro goes from Piccolo to Gohan)
• Gohan absolutely rolls the stronger Gohan Seven-Three, while Piccolo acts PURELY as support

Chapter 58

• Here's the fabled panels where Piccolo and Gohan "keep up with each other", but as shown in my last evidence, they fight as a duo, so OBVIOUSLY Gohan would be in sync with Piccolo to do combined attacks. They don't have to be comparable for Gohan to do that.

Then the story progresses as normal.

SERIOUSLY, I went out of my way to read the chapters and you seem to distort SO MUCH context and ignore everything that goes against your idea. No, Piccolo is not comparable to Full-Power Gohan, in ANY way, shape or form. This is CONSISTENTLY proven not to be the case, and you won't change that by showing one or two instances where they ARE FIGHTING AS A DUO, AND THUS OBVIOUSLY IN SYNC.

I rest my case.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Yeah, we should do a Calc for it.

@GodlyCharmander What do you think of this?

We should probably just use the same timeframe as the anime version. The feat was rushed in the manga, lasting a few panels, so 10 seconds should be good enough.

 

[God900]

We should probably just use the same timeframe as the anime version. The feat was rushed in the manga, lasting a few panels, so 10 seconds should be good enough.

Yeah, that makes sense. Although, do you think you Will time to do it this week?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Yeah, that makes sense. Although, do you think you Will time to do it this week?

No need to make a blog for it, obviously. We can just make a CRT after the ones we're doing get approved.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Piccolo has trouble with Universe 9 NPC 1's strength
Piccolo can't overpower the weaker U9 NPC 2
Frost overpowers said NPC 1, and defeats NPC 2 at the same time
SSJ Goku casually blocks Frost, and Freeza states he is too much for him to handle

Okay, looking at this evidence, we can conclude that SSJ Vegeta AND SSJ Goku scales to Piccolo's approved MFTL+ feat.

I'd like to know who agrees with it, and who doesn't.

 

[God900]

No need to make a blog for it, obviously. We can just make a CRT after the ones we're doing get approved.

I see, the results shouldn't be much different compared to the Anime's one.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I see, the results shouldn't be much different compared to the Anime's one.

Unless the Anime has a much larger Universe 7, it should be the exact same

 

[Nierre]

no more dbs/dbs crts please.

 

[God900]

no more dbs/dbs crts please.

Don't worry, is just manga and it will be like redoing the already present speed scaling in the anime. So it's not controversial

 

[GodlyCharmander]

no more dbs/dbs crts please.

I'll make sure not to do DBS, nor DBS CRTs after the next one, I promise.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

no more dbs/dbs crts please.

How about a Hunter x Hunter CRT, eh? Haven't seen those in a ******* while, huh?

 

[Nierre]

Why are all the dbz/dbs/dbgt w/e crts always so slow. Nothing ever gets done. (sorry for the derailment i'm just confused)

 

[God900]

I'll make sure not to do DBS, nor DBS CRTs after the next one, I promise.

With the Next one you mean the manga Shockwaves Calc?. Becouse I think that one is very important to be ignored tbh

 

[Nierre]

How about a Hunter x Hunter CRT, eh? Haven't seen those in a ******* while, huh?

Hiatus x Hiatus

 

[GodlyCharmander]

With the Next one you mean the manga Shockwaves Calc?. Becouse I think that one is very important to be ignored tbh

Naturally.
This will be the last one I do, at least.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why are all the dbz/dbs/dbgt w/e crts always so slow. Nothing ever gets done. (sorry for the derailment i'm just confused)

We already had a derailment with the whole "Piccolo SSB Level" argument here, so it's cool.

The problem seems to be lack of interest from the staff (which we need to wait for to get anything going). Maybe they're saturated with the verse, who knows?

Either way, the premise is still up, I'll add the evidence that SSJ Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Piccolo

 

[chosen]

Since WHEN?
You're scaling two character that have been CONSISTENTLY portrayed as far apart as they can be in terms of power based on a scene where they charge at someone.

That's nonsense. And I'll prove it.

Chapter 53

• Seven-Three speedblitzes Piccolo
• Seven-Three is portrayed as slight stronger than Piccolo
• Piccolo admits he is getting beaten, and can't defeat Seven-Three
• "You're the strongest fighter we got on Earth", meaning Piccolo does NOT scale to him at all
• Gohan both speedblitzes and absolutely rolls Seven-Three by going full power immediately, he also made a hole in his body, which Piccolo is incapable of doing
• Gohan casually dodges attacks from this "Piccolo Level" Seven-Three
• Seven-Three uses Hellzone Granade, Gohan very casually speedblitzes and rolls him again. Remember, Seven-Three is basically Piccolo-Level but with infinite stamina.
• "I've got mixed feelings about you beating a copy of me that easily"
• Gohan curbstomps Giant Seven-Three, aka Giant Piccolo with infinite stamina

Some context now:

• From now on, Seven-Three was using Moro's power
• He ate Gohan's Chi Blast, thus, getting stronger

Chapter 56

• "Seven-Three, that one guy (Gohan) is stronger, switch up to him" (Moro goes from Piccolo to Gohan)
• Gohan absolutely rolls the stronger Gohan Seven-Three, while Piccolo acts PURELY as support

Chapter 58

• Here's the fabled panels where Piccolo and Gohan "keep up with each other", but as shown in my last evidence, they fight as a duo, so OBVIOUSLY Gohan would be in sync with Piccolo to do combined attacks. They don't have to be comparable for Gohan to do that.

Then the story progresses as normal.

SERIOUSLY, I went out of my way to read the chapters and you seem to distort SO MUCH context and ignore everything that goes against your idea. No, Piccolo is not comparable to Full-Power Gohan, in ANY way, shape or form. This is CONSISTENTLY proven not to be the case, and you won't change that by showing one or two instances where they ARE FIGHTING AS A DUO, AND THUS OBVIOUSLY IN SYNC.

I rest my case.

I concede

 

[DivineAura44]

Bump.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Hiatus x Hiatus

Hey, I did it. Downplayed HxH is no more.

Also, bump, this is still very much a thing that needs to be discussed. And/or applied.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Bump. I WILL DO IT AGAIN, I SWEAR--- /j

Either way, the calc is accepted, so... y'know.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

BUMP. HEY, LET'S GO

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

It's disappointing that we might end up using this feat.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

It's disappointing that we might end up using this feat.

Still don't understand why the god tiers don't use the same speed calc as the anime version.

 

[mal]

Vegeta (Chou) should be a solid Massively FTL+ by scaling above Piccolo (Chou), who has a Massively FTL+ feat

He does scale above him with Super Saiyan, I believe, therefore he should downscale to his base form having 1/50 of that speed.

Simple enough, right?


Okay, looking at this evidence, we can conclude that SSJ Vegeta AND SSJ Goku scales to Piccolo's approved MFTL+ feat.

I'd like to know who agrees with it, and who doesn't.

that piccolo feat got approved?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

that piccolo feat got approved?

yee

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I actually need more Staff input on this, unbelievable.