Chou SSJ Vegeta MFTL+ upgrade

[GodlyCharmander]

Vegeta (Chou) should be a solid Massively FTL+ by scaling above Piccolo (Chou), who has a Massively FTL+ feat

He does scale above him with Super Saiyan, I believe, therefore he should downscale to his base form having 1/50 of that speed.

Simple enough, right?

Piccolo has trouble with Universe 9 NPC 1's strength
Piccolo can't overpower the weaker U9 NPC 2
Frost overpowers said NPC 1, and defeats NPC 2 at the same time
SSJ Goku casually blocks Frost, and Freeza states he is too much for him to handle

Okay, looking at this evidence, we can conclude that SSJ Vegeta AND SSJ Goku scales to Piccolo's approved MFTL+ feat.

I'd like to know who agrees with it, and who doesn't.

 

[sanicspood]

In db revisions, things are never simple.

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyone who is 3-B In the manga should be MFTL+ thanks to scaleing above Goku and beerus shockwave that reached the realm of the Kai's in like a second

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Anyone who is 3-B In the manga should be MFTL+ thanks to scaleing above Goku and beerus shockwave that reached the realm of the Kai's in like a second

He is. But Base/SSJ Vegeta ain't 3-B

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I probably should wait longer to make a CRT on this-

 

[GodlyCharmander]

bump

 

[chosen]

Why does ss vegeta scale in speed above moro saga Weighs piccolo?
Piccolo without Weighs keep up with gohan with no issue

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why does ss vegeta scale in speed above moro saga Weighs piccolo?
Piccolo without Weighs keep up with gohan with no issue

Why is Gohan above SSJ Vegeta?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Why is Gohan above SSJ Vegeta?

He beat kefla who is stronger than SSB Goku and vegeta via scaling to kale.

 

[chosen]

Why is Gohan above SSJ Vegeta?

Piccolo states that since vegeta And goku aren't on Earth he îs the strongest fighters on Earth which includes 17
Piccolo seen 17 blocking an hit meant for gf and goku stating top ssb goku ~ 17

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

goku stating top ssb goku ~ 17

That did not happen, in fact quite the opposite.

 

[chosen]

That did not happen, in fact quite the opposite.

He did stated that https://***********.com/read-online/Dragon-Ball-Super-Color-chapter-42-page-33.html

 

[chosen]

Bruh imma fix the scan rq
Edit: there

 

[Damage3245]

Even if we know that spaceship is capable of MFTL+ interstellar travel; how do we know it was travelling that fast in the atmosphere at that time?

 

[chosen]

Even if we know that spaceship is capable of MFTL+ interstellar travel; how do we know it was travelling that fast in the atmosphere at that time?

Well we know it was at full speed unless you mean something Like the ship would be slower in Atmosphere
If so why would Assume this instead of it being mftl+? Just questioning

 

[GodlyCharmander]

He did stated that https://***********.com/read-online/Dragon-Ball-Super-Color-chapter-42-page-33.html

Might mean their base forms, otherwise Goku would be including his UI/MUI state, which is just absurd.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Even if we know that spaceship is capable of MFTL+ interstellar travel; how do we know it was travelling that fast in the atmosphere at that time?

They were in a hurry, running away at full speed. Why would they be any slower?

 

[Spinoirr]

17 did fight ssj3 Goku pretty good in the manga

 

[Damage3245]

They were in a hurry, running away at full speed. Why would they be any slower?

Because they're still in the atmosphere of a planet? How do we know their spaceship is even capable of MFTL+ speeds until they get out into space?

 

[chosen]

Might mean their base forms, otherwise Goku would be including his UI/MUI state, which is just absurd.

SSB states makes more sense considering 17 is blatantly above base form
He even took hits that can damage gf and Blocked one meant from him
Doubt goku would include an state he couldn’t tap on at will at the time

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Because they're still in the atmosphere of a planet?

You're not elaborating on how that stops a ship from going full speed.

How do we know their spaceship is even capable of MFTL+ speeds until they get out into space?

Why would that even be the case? Elaborate, please.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

SSB states makes more sense considering 17 is blatantly above base form

The problem is, we don't know which form Goku was referring to.

Piccolo states that since vegeta And goku aren't on Earth he îs the strongest fighters on Earth which includes 17
Piccolo seen 17 blocking an hit meant for gf and goku stating top ssb goku ~ 17

Also, wouldn't that apply to Ultimate Gohan only?

 

[Damage3245]

You're not elaborating on how that stops a ship from going full speed.

Why would that even be the case? Elaborate, please.

Okay, let me put it like this. Why are you assuming that the ship can instantly reach its max speed with zero acceleration?

My question is, how do you know it is already travelling at MFTL+ speeds by the time Piccolo reacts to it?

How does a random calc of travelling between two stars prove it was already that fast while it was flying away from Piccolo in the atmosphere?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Also, TOP Frost is depicted as stronger than TOP Piccolo multiple times during Chapter 34. While using his full power, Frost was able to overpower an enemy Piccolo was having trouble with, so I don't see why Start of Moro Arc Piccolo would be any stronger than Frost.

Of course, Frost is fodder compared to SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Goku, as it was stated SSJ Goku was too much for TOP Frost to handle by Freeza in the already stated Chapter.

 

[chosen]

The problem is, we don't know which form Goku was referring to.

Also, wouldn't that apply to Ultimate Gohan only?

SSB goku is more logically since is backed up by 17 taking gf hits. Was supporting evidence anyway
Piccolo without Weighs can fight alongside gohan in moro arc and keep no issue so he scales to gohan in speed. Iirc ut gohan also doesn't have ut in dbs manga

 

[God900]

DB chous should scale massively above DBZ's MFTLs

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Okay, let me put it like this. Why are you assuming that the ship can instantly reach its max speed with zero acceleration?

S i g h
let's go.
They do it instantly here

It also instantly goes into the cosmos here

Same case for this instance

Acceleration was literally never a factor for literally any DB ship ever made, there is no reason to assume it is just because someone scales to it.

My question is, how do you know it is already travelling at MFTL+ speeds by the time Piccolo reacts to it?

They were trying to escape from the planet as fast as possible;

How does a random calc of travelling between two stars prove it was already that fast while it was flying away from Piccolo in the atmosphere?

Being in the atmosphere is clearly a non-factor, you have a problem with the start-up being "instantaneous", which has shown to be the case.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Also, let's remember this ancient, shitty ship that could instantly go to jupiter.

 

[Orange]

can't we just calc the shockwaves from goku vs beerus battle?
I also agree with this.

Okay, let me put it like this. Why are you assuming that the ship can instantly reach its max speed with zero acceleration?

My question is, how do you know it is already travelling at MFTL+ speeds by the time Piccolo reacts to it?

How does a random calc of travelling between two stars prove it was already that fast while it was flying away from Piccolo in the atmosphere?

Contact matter, they were trying to run away, obviously they are going at full speed, also the pokemon guy proved multiple times through scans that ships can instantly reach their top speed. Now prove why they aren't going at full speed, especially when: 1-They are running for dear life. 2- ships in db accelerate instantly, even the old namekian one does. 3- They literally have no reason to go slower.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

SSB goku is more logically since is backed up by 17 taking gf hits. Was supporting evidence anyway
Piccolo without Weighs can fight alongside gohan in moro arc and keep no issue so he scales to gohan in speed. Iirc ut gohan also doesn't have ut in dbs manga

Gohan does have a full power which he is instructed to save for when he absolutely needs it, we don't know if Piccolo would scale to that.

 

[chosen]

Gohan does have a full power which he is instructed to save for when he absolutely needs it, we don't know if Piccolo would scale to that.

That seems in the context of saving stamina for more dangerous opponent
Idk why would he need to save stamina Like how goku Doesn't use blue often in moro arc when he fought saganbo who was overwhelming him and piccolo and 73 who stole gohan abilities

 

[God900]

DB chous should scale massively above DBZ's MFTLs

 

[chosen]

Looked
Even against 73 moro piccolo keep up with gohan no issue

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Piccolo has trouble with Universe 9 NPC 1's strength
Piccolo can't overpower the weaker U9 NPC 2
Frost overpowers said NPC 1, and defeats NPC 2 at the same time
SSJ Goku casually blocks Frost, and Freeza states he is too much for him to handle

It's clear SSJ Goku is stronger than Piccolo here.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Looked
Even against 73 moro piccolo keep up with gohan no issue

He never directly fights Gohan, does he?
We don't scale one to another just because they fought together, that's nonsense (unless, you know, context)

 

[chosen]

He never directly fights Gohan, does he?
We don't scale one to another just because they fought together, that's nonsense (unless, you know, context)

They flight to moro at the same speed and seemingly hit him at the same time despite starting from the same time
Piccolo was fighting alongside gohan at seemingly same speed Like in 4 fights this arc

 

[chosen]

It's clear SSJ Goku is stronger than Piccolo here.

Ik ss goku > top piccolo i talk about moro arc piccolo

 

[God900]

Moro arc Vegeta should be heriously above MFTL+ due to this:






Vegeta was able to dodge one of those Soul/Life force energy spheres that Moro absorbed.
Later on, those energy blast expreaded through the universe in a couple of seconds, reaching their host pretty quick.

The fun fact is that, even weakened Moro was able to see these spheres traveling, even Mr popo and Dende (both should have MFTL+ reactions).

with this, they should be heriously above DBS Anime MFTLS+.

 

[chosen]

Ssb vegeta already is this thread is for ss vegeta

Moro arc Vegeta should be heriously above MFTL+ due to this:






Vegeta was able to dodge one of those Soul/Life force energy spheres that Moro absorbed.
Later on, those energy blast expreaded through the universe in a couple of seconds, reaching their host pretty quick.

The fun fact is that, even weakened Moro was able to see these spheres traveling, even Mr popo and De de (both should have MFTL+ reactions).

with this, they should be heriously above DBS Anime MFTLS+.

 

[God900]

Ssb vegeta already is this thread is for ss vegeta

Nah, not due to this feat. He is just MFTL+ fue to upscaling.