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Normal Poison ≠ Poison by Curse Manipulation. Choso Poision is even effective against curses.
So I just read the technique, and i don't know if doma's ice can qualify for that (it being able to flash freeze large quantities of wayer in milliseconds and all) but either ways, it's still potent enough to harm him however, seeing as he was putting his all to melt it,.something he is not going to have the leverage of doing against a constant stream of cold air
I don't know what you're talking about, but you should check the scan and see what the supercool state is. Also, Uraume's ice can even freeze cursed energy, unlike Doma's, which only has feats for freezing air and body parts and organs at best.? Unless you send me scans for his freezing his same level as Uraume supercool freezing I'm not buying your words for granted. Also FRS is Choso's Abilities which he constantly uses in battles and its not gonna be a problem for defending himself against Doma's ice.
Uraume doesn't have any Absolute Zero statements and that's not listed on their profile, Choso was able to move more than the others because one half of his body wasn't caught in the ice and his resistance comes from being able to regulate his body temperature to slowly melt away the ice but he's still vulnerable as seen with Uraume getting ready to kill him promptly and FRS offers no defence against the fact that Choso would be constantly breathing in Doma's freezing air.
Because the fight starts at a distance of 50 meters, you can literally dodge that with peak human reactions
Fighting 6 people at the same time when your speed is equal to them isn't gonna work out, FRS:S doesn't even amp Choso by x2
We already have statement for her being supercool and freezers the targets & essence of ice formation where even curses which should disappear to halt, which is a common effect of Absolute Zero. Unless I'm not mistaken. I was planning on creating the thread once the current arc finished. Anyway even if you don't buy AZ. Still Uraume ice has better feats than Doma's as far as I see.
Because her Ice is potent enough to even freeze cursed energy which is basically used to even manipulation Blood Manipulation CT. How does Doma's ice can even freeze the energy on that level? Still we literally see Choso breaking out of it.
No, Absolute Zero is the temperature at which particles are completely motionless because they no longer have any kinetic energy, supercooling is when a liquid's temperature is reduced below it's freezing point without becoming a solid which can be done at −48.3 °C. Liquid nitrogen is far colder than that but it still isn't Absolute Zero. On Doma's feats, the biggest ice structure Doma created was made when he was weakened by a x700 lethal dose of wisteria poison.
Doma primarily eats women but he doesn't go all out from the start.
Uraume freezes her own cursed energy to create the ice as part of her technique's mechanism, if Choso's CE reserves itself were frozen then he wouldn't be able to run CE through his body like that and Choso wasn't breaking out of the ice, he was slowly melting it away at a pace where Uraume could casually prepare another attack while he was vulnerable, Doma's ice doesn't need to freeze energy itself for it to affect Choso anyway because then you're arguing Choso can ignore ice attacks from anything that isn't ice made from Jujutsu.
they have the same stats and abilities and he can summon them whenever, plus infinite stamina
which is unquanitifiable beyond anime bullshit
what?
what did urame even freeze?
what's FRS?
Flowing Red Scale, it's blood doping
I'll skip the AZ part for now since there's no direct statement and it's not currently accepted. Let's stick to what's stated in the manga alone. Ice forms at or below 0 degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit) under normal atmospheric pressure. This is the temperature at which water molecules slow down and arrange into a solid crystalline structure, forming ice. Unless Doma is specifically stated to have a different freezing level, we'll assume it's at this standard level.
Poison shouldn't affect Choso; his blood is already filled with cursed energy poison, just like Kenjaku and Yuji, who weren't affected by having similar traits.
Doma lacks information on Choso, so poison could catch him off guard. Plus, Choso doesn't have a Nichirin blade, which might make Doma lower his guard. Why wouldn't he let himself get hit by PB? Maybe just to mess with Choso, like he did with Akaza, letting him do as he pleases for the fun of it.
His in character Doma plays with his victims
What? It's stated in manga not in anime
Freezing having different temperatures what do you mean he supposed to freeze sun? You are stonewalling at this point. Stick on to topic.
Your scans doesn't state or doing whatever you are saying.doma literally has better feats, like, once again, freezing large quanities of water in milliseconds
Appeal to ignorance. I didn't sent scans? What do you call this?
^^I don't know what you're talking about, but you should check the scan and see what the supercool state is. Also, Uraume's ice can even freeze cursed energy, unlike Doma's, which only has feats for freezing air and body parts and organs at best.? Unless you send me scans for his freezing his same level as Uraume supercool freezing I'm not buying your words for granted. Also FRS is Choso's Abilities which he constantly uses in battles and its not gonna be a problem for defending himself against Doma's ice.
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His Temperature Manipulation does helps him unless Doma incapacitates him with large blockade of ice which I doubt he uses it as in character against a opponent who lacks Nichirin blade
using the clones, he plays with his vitims using the clones
okay then?
i don't think you understand what i'm saying
why?
???
doma will get serious if his opponent isn't a weakling, like kanao was
Many words, but no real arguments. I've already refuted that freezing water isn't a significant feat. Provide evidence for your claims that Doma's ice manipulation is far beyond supercool freezing. I ain't gonna go back and forth with your repeated arguments with no proof.
with what logic?
...it flash freezes large quantities if water in milliseconds as soon at it comes to contact with it?
once again, nor even ******* liquid nitrogin can this bs
..mate, you're the one who need evidence, i've been providing them from the very begining, matter if fact, prove that the supercool freezing is superior as you claim it to be
i don't see how he wouldn't adapt to the poison?
by staying back and gathering information about his opponent's skills and abilities as his clones do all the work?
which he will, these guys can sens "aura" and how strong people trough various bs senses
assuming he doesn't adpat to the poison for some reason?
which will never happen?
it can, and it will, breathing in cold air that flash freezes water in milliseconds wil **** up your lungs freeze your organs and kill you before you even know it happened, he needs to breath, if all he is breathing is doma's cold air he will die, that's it, no 2 ways about it
says who?
Normal Poison ≠ Cursed Energy induced Poison. I can copy paste SBA rules if you need. What you claiming falls under NLF.
Zero proof.. give me the statements let's see where it's ice is more lethal than Supercool freezing
Doma's air is cold enough to make someone feel like their lungs will burst in one small breath (1 2) which is something even the winds in Antarctica can't do so 0 degrees is an extreme lowball for Doma.
Doma can just use his multitude of AoE attacks
Doma's Blood Demon Art isn't poison, Choso would have to be constantly regenerating and heating himself up against Doma's barrage and the blood outside of his body would be getting frozen which limits his options
Choso's poison is a property of his blood, it would be poisonous even when he isn't using Jujutsu, he doesn't have a cursed energy trait making his cursed energy itself poisonous. Doma can easily break down compounds in his body so doing the same to blood shouldn't be an issue, the only issue would be the Curse Manipulation which is pretty inconsistent (a cut from a random cursed spirit knocked Maki out of her fighting state in a few short moments in JJK 0 but in the main series she can get impaled through the shoulder by Hanami and still continue fighting or get hit by Dagon's Domain amped attacks and then set alight by Jogo's Curse Flames and survive despite not getting medical attention until like hours later) in fact being poisoned or cursed like that would just push Doma to go all out which would be even worse for Choso
why?
literally everything i've written above
no need for statements, the feats speak for themselves
Can I get some Source for how much cold is this. Because even if I accept this as something colder than 0 degrees it would be be unquantable.
Yeah I understand that. That's I'm making this argument. Let's say Doma thinks Choso's is threat but it would be after Choso makes some attack that would be lethal to him. Only way I can see that is with Choso attacking Doma with Eso and Kechizu powers which corrodes his body he can keep Regenerating until 10m later He gets cursed by it and dies by the technique.
Even if Choso gets affected by ice Doma can't just break it because his inner organs wouldn't be frozen. Kusakabe full body was frozen leaving in a State where small moment would destroy him which is stated by himself which also backed up by Hakari vs Uraume fight. Choso was unaffected and Uraume was trying to kill him from outside instead of breaking the ice Destroying him. Doma's ice at best incapacitates him for some time at best and Choso can get out of it once Doma gets affected by his technique.
Same as above if poision does not work I will go with eventual death + corrosion inducement.
To cursed others there is no need for cursed energy as far as cursed energy page states. Especially this is choso who is half curse who should be capable of doing same thing which happened to Maki in JJK0. Also I don't remember Choso's blood having a weakness like opponent needs cursed energy to gets affected.
Maki might have eventually gotten resistance to it overtime. I need to check the Toji scans there might be some statement I will be back with that but Eso Technique works fine even without that.
This is my last reply to you unless you make arguments more clear like @SunDaGamer. You are not getting what SBA states what others are arguing. It's hard to keep up with you.
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Can he surive being completely frozen?
Won't it meant that CE is affected by temperature ?
Yeah he can even Kamo was fine inside Uraume ice with the same technique. Choso has powerful blood manipulation (control) than him. Also Choso was also frozen completely as far as I remember in Shibuya that's why Uraume tried to kill him from outside instead of breaking the ice like she did with Hakari.
It would have to be worse than Antarctic winds to be causing someone's lungs to feel like they're bursting just from one breath
Their attacks are blood based, they would just get frozen immediately
Uraume taking their sweet time to kill a vulnerable Choso isn't indicative of much, Panda said the wrong movement in Uraume's ice would rip him apart because most of his body was frozen while Choso could only move the half of his body that wasn't caught in Uraume's attack. Doma's strat isn't just to encase his opponents in ice, every single Blood Demon Art attack he uses generates freezing air that's lethal to breathe in on top of the actual attack and then Freezing Clouds just shrouds the area in freezing air and his clones can also spam his Blood Demon Art attacks independently.
The CE Manip page says it's attacks imbued with cursed energy specifically.
Maki didn't get a body resistant to curses like Toji until her Heavenly Restriction was completed with Mai's death, infact Yuki explicitly says that Maki survived her injuries in Shibuya without Curse Tolerance due to her physical toughness alone. The Curse Manip feats in JJK are just inconsistent because a random fodder Geto had has better feats than the Disaster Curses themselves.
Or the CE effect doesn't work on people with HR like Toji.
...i feel like everything i've written is being conveniently ignored, do you genuinely think, regular ass cold air that's 0 degrees C would flash freeze water?
Same thing here happening Resistance to Poisoning ≠ Resistance to Poisoning with Cursed Energy. What you are claiming is NLF.
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We wouldn't know for certain. Maki got taken out by Uraume in culling game arc by same technique. Maki and Toji both lacks CE
This is the best I could find so far. So I believe overall Supercooling is still superior.
I was talking him not blocking the attack if it's not deadly for him he needs to know Choso blood is dangerous for him to stop it. His in character he is care free guy who doens't dodge the stack when it's not something that's cuts off his head. Also this guy underestimates Poison.
Not really Yuji breaks Choso's ice which did not destroyed him. If what you are saying is correct and Choso affected like Panda or Hakari he would have ripped apart. Choso can indeed stay intact even if his body heat frozen thanks to his blood manipulation. Uraume wasn't playing alone she was indeed couldn't kill Choso by breaking the ice she needed an external attack because of him Resisting to some extent with his blood manipulation. So i believe Choso can stay alive until his blood curses Doma.
I am talking about Choso, who can affect his opponents without them needing cursed energy. Yes, Choso uses cursed energy to attack, which is the same for everyone. What I was referring to is the opponent not needing cursed energy flowing in their body, which has never been a thing in the verse so far.
First of all, I wanted to ask do we even have Maki not affected by scars from curses?
Because every single one of Doma's Blood Demon Art generates his freezing air as an AoE effect, he's not the kind of person that refrains from using it even if he's toying with someone.
Yuji says he was the only one that wasn't completely frozen by Uraume he probably chose to break Choso out of the ice instead of anyone else because Choso had just melted the ice around his body to the point that his body wouldn't have been broken alongside the ice like everyone else.
Where did this argument come from? Nobody said Choso can't affect people who have no cursed energy, Choso's poison is a property of his blood, the claim that it's cursed-based due to the implies that it's some kind of cursed energy trait of Choso's or is only poisonous when Choso uses his Jujutsu which is false. Curse Manip in JJK comes from things involving cursed energy being used to harm people who aren't sorcerers or cursed spirits, Choso's blood would be poisonous even when he isn't using cursed energy to reinforce it.
She got hit twice by a Domain amped Dagon and then continued fighting the only reason she stopped fighting was because of the plan to escape the Domain which is a far cry from getting cut once by Geto's fodder and being downed almost immediately with a life threatening injury then Jogo burns her and she survives thanks to physical toughness not curse tolerance according to Yuki, not to mention nobody could've retrieved them until after Shibuya (Nitta took Nobara straight to medical aid and left Shibuya Station then Kyoto students came to jump Kenjaku) which meant she survived for almost an hour in that state at the very least. According to feats, a random fodder curse > Disaster Curses when it comes to Curse Manip
Non sorcerers have CE.
