Chief Scientist vs Boy Genius (Dr. Hecate vs Jimmy Neutron)

[VeneficaAuthor]

• Hecate is in her Golden Mega-Mega Mech (High 6-A) with anything above restricted.
• Hecate's summons, optional equipment, Solar Strike Nuke and Omnicube are restricted
• Jimmy has all equipment up to High 6-A (nothing higher) in his last key, anything above is restricted
• Battle takes place in Y-City, 50 meters starting distance
• No prep time for either
• Speed is equalized
• SBA for anything else

Mother Hecate: 0

Sodium Chloride: 0

Woah (Incon): 0

 

[RandomGuy2345]

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[Javenplayz253]

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[MintyBoi1]

So the mech has Low-High regen and I assume can’t be hacked since it’s linked to Hecate’s mind which also can’t be controlled by the Hypno Beam. However, Jimmy has the Cheese Ray to transmute it and the Flux Fluid Duplicator to not only make a mech for himself, but also erase the original from existence. And he should be able to get around fast with his Rocket which also has a cloaking device. The Null Generator can also cancel out Hecate’s twenty forcefields. Given the chance, Jimmy could destroy Hecate’s mech and deal with her rather quickly.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

So the mech has Low-High regen and I assume can’t be hacked since it’s linked to Hecate’s mind which also can’t be controlled by the Hypno Beam. However, Jimmy has the Cheese Ray to transmute it and the Flux Fluid Duplicator to not only make a mech for himself, but also erase the original from existence. And he should be able to get around fast with his Rocket which also has a cloaking device. The Null Generator can also cancel out Hecate’s twenty forcefields. Given the chance, Jimmy could destroy Hecate’s mech and deal with her rather quickly.

Even Hecate's original, unrefined mech is extremely difficult to hack at all. Devices made by Sora have no shot at doing it because the coding and the way it's made are too advanced, and the Golden mech should have hundreds of times greater anti-hack protocols due to being entirely more advanced than the Mk. 2 Slimy Mech which trounces Mk. 1's resistance to hacking which is far beyond that original mech. plus yeah the DNA Fusionism makes that a lot harder even without all that

Hecate has a myriad of ways to dodge a thing like Cheese Beam. Her Golden Scanners mean that she will always know where Jimmy is, and her flying capabilities are good enough to dodge a danmaku consisting of mid-thousands amount of blasts on proficiency alone, but she also has the ability to fire near-instant strong air shots which throw her to the side much faster than her regular speed (to the point of dodging attacks she can't even see based on their speed), she also has her great instinctive action and other ways to amp speed + if she finds herself in a spot where she can't use any of these, Golden Saturn Waving makes the attack highly likely to just curve around and miss

How does Null Generator work? If it's fired like a laser, her shields should still absorb it since that would be energy based

 

[MintyBoi1]

Even Hecate's original, unrefined mech is extremely difficult to hack at all. Devices made by Sora have no shot at doing it because the coding and the way it's made are too advanced, and the Golden mech should have hundreds of times greater anti-hack protocols due to being entirely more advanced than the Mk. 2 Slimy Mech which trounces Mk. 1's resistance to hacking which is far beyond that original mech. plus yeah the DNA Fusionism makes that a lot harder even without all that

Hecate has a myriad of ways to dodge a thing like Cheese Beam. Her Golden Scanners mean that she will always know where Jimmy is, and her flying capabilities are good enough to dodge a danmaku consisting of mid-thousands amount of blasts on proficiency alone, but she also has the ability to fire near-instant strong air shots which throw her to the side much faster than her regular speed (to the point of dodging attacks she can't even see based on their speed), she also has her great instinctive action and other ways to amp speed + if she finds herself in a spot where she can't use any of these, Golden Saturn Waving makes the attack highly likely to just curve around and miss

How does Null Generator work? If it's fired like a laser, her shields should still absorb it since that would be energy based

Jimmy does have a chance given he hacked the robot of an alien who forced multiple planets to partake in his game show and has seen plenty of off world tech, but I do think Hecate’s mech could resist that.

Jimmy’s rocket should still be MFTL+ which is way faster than what they’re being equaled down to. Jimmy also has his own speed amps. That speed plus cloaking should make it much harder for Hecate to avoid and the mech unable to detect his movements to avoid. The waving isn’t a sure chance and the Flux Duplicator could bypass that since it’s just a flash of light. The Sonic Megaphone can also get past with sound waves fast enough to intercept lasers.

Jimmy isn’t actually shown using it. It could just be a sonic pulse for all that’s known. It’s built like a baton almost with a rounded point that could fire out the effect in any number of ways. Either way, Jimmy has other ways past forcefields mentioned above.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Jimmy does have a chance given he hacked the robot of an alien who forced multiple planets to partake in his game show and has seen plenty of off world tech, but I do think Hecate’s mech could resist that.

Jimmy’s rocket should still be MFTL+ which is way faster than what they’re being equaled down to. Jimmy also has his own speed amps. That speed plus cloaking should make it much harder for Hecate to avoid and the mech unable to detect his movements to avoid. The waving isn’t a sure chance and the Flux Duplicator could bypass that since it’s just a flash of light. The Sonic Megaphone can also get past with sound waves fast enough to intercept lasers.

Jimmy isn’t actually shown using it. It could just be a sonic pulse for all that’s known. It’s built like a baton almost with a rounded point that could fire out the effect in any number of ways. Either way, Jimmy has other ways past forcefields mentioned above.

I doubt it, Neptune Gaian stuff can't even hack it, and that stuff is as advanced as it gets without getting into near god-hood when it comes to technology, plus again I think the fact that it's connected to her very human mind would mean that you'd need some combo of OP hacking and possession to have a genuine shot at it

Cloaking doesn't do anything because of the Golden Scanners. "The Golden mech can assign 'marks' to enemies which will always remain on them in Hecate's vision, making illusions useless and completely seeing through Ekaterina's perception powers. She also has her own version of Battlefield Mapping." This makes invisibility one of the weaker ways to try and stay hidden from her. Golden Battlefield mapping also can mark anything within 4000KM. Hecate could also start her Super Tomo Golden Barrier in its ten times stacked physical form instead, which would protect her from that ro0cket regardless of speed. OI should note that the Golden Scanners also tell her basically all her opponent can do 9Jimmy having no resistance at all to info analysis makes it especially useful since Hecate can already decipher everything from a Mech which actually did have decent analysis resistance) so it's very very likely that making those shields is an instant action when the fight starts since she'd be aware of the speed difference already

Hecate's stuff even back with Slimy Mk. 1 have the auto-dodge smart tech which is WAY greater now with Golden, her lasers should be more than able to redirect themselves in virtually any direction or shape to avoid interception sound waves unless they are omnidirectional and can be spammed

It's dangerous but Hecate's golden scanners and general dodging abilities should give her the edge she needs to consistently avoid that even if it is just a burst

 

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[MintyBoi1]

I doubt it, Neptune Gaian stuff can't even hack it, and that stuff is as advanced as it gets without getting into near god-hood when it comes to technology, plus again I think the fact that it's connected to her very human mind would mean that you'd need some combo of OP hacking and possession to have a genuine shot at it

Cloaking doesn't do anything because of the Golden Scanners. "The Golden mech can assign 'marks' to enemies which will always remain on them in Hecate's vision, making illusions useless and completely seeing through Ekaterina's perception powers. She also has her own version of Battlefield Mapping." This makes invisibility one of the weaker ways to try and stay hidden from her. Golden Battlefield mapping also can mark anything within 4000KM. Hecate could also start her Super Tomo Golden Barrier in its ten times stacked physical form instead, which would protect her from that ro0cket regardless of speed. OI should note that the Golden Scanners also tell her basically all her opponent can do 9Jimmy having no resistance at all to info analysis makes it especially useful since Hecate can already decipher everything from a Mech which actually did have decent analysis resistance) so it's very very likely that making those shields is an instant action when the fight starts since she'd be aware of the speed difference already

Hecate's stuff even back with Slimy Mk. 1 have the auto-dodge smart tech which is WAY greater now with Golden, her lasers should be more than able to redirect themselves in virtually any direction or shape to avoid interception sound waves unless they are omnidirectional and can be spammed

It's dangerous but Hecate's golden scanners and general dodging abilities should give her the edge she needs to consistently avoid that even if it is just a burst

So he can’t just hack.

Still, Jimmy’s speed advantage should count for something if Hecate’s reaction systems have never seen anything like it. And the Flux should copy either the mech of the shields, giving Jimmy duplicates and erasing the original. If plain AOE isn’t working, that would be a good go to option.

Going off the scan, the sound is at least several meters wide once fully released. And since Jimmy can fly while using the megaphone, he has a good way to flank Hecate and break down her walls. He can also call Goddard who has his own flight and paralyzing beams. Jimmy has considerable range and speed to catch Hecate.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

So he can’t just hack.

Still, Jimmy’s speed advantage should count for something if Hecate’s reaction systems have never seen anything like it. And the Flux should copy either the mech of the shields, giving Jimmy duplicates and erasing the original. If plain AOE isn’t working, that would be a good go to option.

Going off the scan, the sound is at least several meters wide once fully released. And since Jimmy can fly while using the megaphone, he has a good way to flank Hecate and break down her walls. He can also call Goddard who has his own flight and paralyzing beams. Jimmy has considerable range and speed to catch Hecate.

Yeah pretty much

Also not likely, Hecate has a busted resistance to power mimicry. The Golden Mech is very much superior to Slimy Mk. 2 which has this resistance to mimicry: Even Neired, a machine far smarter and powerful than Albion and the other Mechanical Supremes, could not copy Hecate's tech through his Copier, which is far superior from Albions, who can scan mechanical opponents and copy their powers after seeing them. Even her most simple moves couldn't be copied at all. Neired could copy the powers of Dragon Heroes Power Suits with ease prior.

I should also probably mention how Hecate's late friend Alexis had an IQ of 400+, and Hecate herself is far beyond her (literally stated to have an immeasurably high IQ), so Jimmy 210 doesn't actually seem so impressive here and I'm pretty sure Hecate's complex coding and such makes her immune to methods Jimmy would use to try and copy her given that others a lot smarter than 210 IQ (Cobalt for instance but mostly Neired who is the main one to actually try it) can't do it to her simple moves even with their best efforts

Not sure how useful flanking is since Hecate just knows where he is at all times and again she has instinctive action, amazing flight, and her own speed amps to surpass this. Plus it looks super straightforward and Hecate's stuff would easily auto-dodge it. Hecate's shields would only be downed by an 'overwhelming' physical blow, probably like his rocket due to speed of impact, and they do have a decently fast recovery time too. Not just any attack would get it done and spamming physical attacks doesn't exactly work either. Golden Saturn Waving lasts for an entire minute and would give her a good option to curve rocket attacks away and recovery a layer if necessary

 

[MintyBoi1]

Also not likely, Hecate has a busted resistance to power mimicry. The Golden Mech is very much superior to Slimy Mk. 2 which has this resistance to mimicry: Even Neired, a machine far smarter and powerful than Albion and the other Mechanical Supremes, could not copy Hecate's tech through his Copier, which is far superior from Albions, who can scan mechanical opponents and copy their powers after seeing them. Even her most simple moves couldn't be copied at all. Neired could copy the powers of Dragon Heroes Power Suits with ease prior.

I should also probably mention how Hecate's late friend Alexis had an IQ of 400+, and Hecate herself is far beyond her (literally stated to have an immeasurably high IQ), so Jimmy 210 doesn't actually seem so impressive here and I'm pretty sure Hecate's complex coding and such makes her immune to methods Jimmy would use to try and copy her given that others a lot smarter than 210 IQ (Cobalt for instance but mostly Neired who is the main one to actually try it) can't do it to her simple moves even with their best efforts

Not sure how useful flanking is since Hecate just knows where he is at all times and again she has instinctive action, amazing flight, and her own speed amps to surpass this. Plus it looks super straightforward and Hecate's stuff would easily auto-dodge it. Hecate's shields would only be downed by an 'overwhelming' physical blow, probably like his rocket due to speed of impact, and they do have a decently fast recovery time too. Not just any attack would get it done and spamming physical attacks doesn't exactly work either. Golden Saturn Waving lasts for an entire minute and would give her a good option to curve rocket attacks away and recovery a layer if necessary

Is that the same as duplication? Nothing’s being copied, the same mech is being made while the original fades from existence. It’s good enough to copy the entire Earth. Also Jimmy has utilized magic before, so copying the almost impossible is on the table for him.

IQ is relative, what really matters is feats. Shikamaru has an IQ of over 200 yet he doesn’t match up at all to Jimmy. Jimmy has made dimensional travel and time travel pretty casually.

How’s she gonna track him when he’s moving hundreds of times faster though? Even if the scanner can pick him up, I don’t know if Hecate will be able to read his coordinates and respond to whatever he’s doing at the same time. Instinctive action also says in its weaknesses, “If the opponent is so fast that they border on blitzing the user, the power becomes ineffective and irrelevant.” Jimmy has flown through space at faster than light speeds and reacted to lasers multiple times and has his own speeds amp which can blitz those relative. Auto dodging can only go so far at such a massive disadvantage. Jimmy also has ways to attack her shields that don’t rely on energy assuming the Null Generator doesn’t work and his own forcefields. Jimmy could also weigh her down with the Gravitrak which is a giant magnet. With the speed of his rocket, he surely could ram her while she can’t control the mechs movements. And I still am unsure if the wave could redirect light/sound.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Is that the same as duplication? Nothing’s being copied, the same mech is being made while the original fades from existence. It’s good enough to copy the entire Earth. Also Jimmy has utilized magic before, so copying the almost impossible is on the table for him.

Well even if he duplicated the mech he would have no clue how to use it, all of the controls there are extremely convoluted and just plain strange, unorthodox and unconventional to the point that only Hecate can actually use it probably due not only to her intellect but to just the way she thinks which is a way no one else really does. Plus I still don’t think Jimmy is much smarter than Neired and the stuff he made had no chance at copying the golden mech

IQ is relative, what really matters is feats. Shikamaru has an IQ of over 200 yet he doesn’t match up at all to Jimmy. Jimmy has made dimensional travel and time travel pretty casually.

Hecate is also fully able to make a Time Machine, she just doesn’t like the optics behind it. He doesn’t have nearly as much capacity for thinking either based on all of the feats on his profile considering Hecate can comprehend a sextillion future scenarios being shown to her and not even have much of a headache after, in addition to her other feats of creating and designing these mechs all on her own, and her processing time surpasses the speed of 1,000 combined supercomputers

How’s she gonna track him when he’s moving hundreds of times faster though? Even if the scanner can pick him up, I don’t know if Hecate will be able to read his coordinates and respond to whatever he’s doing at the same time. Instinctive action also says in its weaknesses, “If the opponent is so fast that they border on blitzing the user, the power becomes ineffective and irrelevant.” Jimmy has flown through space at faster than light speeds and reacted to lasers multiple times and has his own speeds amp which can blitz those relative. Auto dodging can only go so far at such a massive disadvantage. Jimmy also has ways to attack her shields that don’t rely on energy assuming the Null Generator doesn’t work and his own forcefields. Jimmy could also weigh her down with the Gravitrak which is a giant magnet. With the speed of his rocket, he surely could ram her while she can’t control the mechs movements. And I still am unsure if the wave could redirect light/sound.

It’s not a matter of if the scanner picks him up, it’s a guaranteed chance. Golden Battlefield Mapping would just mark him and that mark stays regardless of how fast he is going. The only way to get it off would be to leave the 4000KM range but then he’s marked again as soon as he’s back was. Hecate’s reaction and thinking speed is also insane as she’s been shown to make layered plans upon plans just moments heading into a battle, and the golden scanners would tell her about all the speed stuff anyway so she can use stuff way in advance of Jimmy moving and predict everything he does through her intellect and the knowledge granted by her info analysis.

Plus it doesn’t sound like he has methods to beat her from outside her attack range which gives her a major advantage considering what all she can do. Here are a few things she can stack:

• Grand Down: Hecate's 'Grand Down' passive ability is based on the Mother Crush Grip from the Slimy Mech Mk. 2, except she doesn't even need to by directly on top of her enemy to use it, instead, the Golden mech releases winds in its vicinity which induce a slightly more powerful version, draining the life of opponents and making them weaker, even lowering their durability, and softening opponents skins/outer shells. Can make robots skin feel as soft as human skin.
• Golden Aura of Death: Hecate can generate a golden aura possessing the same qualities as her Golden Fire Lasers, making it somewhat of a blanket defense, however, since it isn't solid it isn't absolute, simply weakening attacks which come through her aura by using the effects of Golden Fire Lasers. However, the aura has an additional effect which saps energy from enemies, doping so on a vital level, as it took energy from Sao's very core as well as his mind and body, transferring it to Hecate. Even attempting to transfer the absorbent effects back onto Hecate were ineffective. By releasing her aura, she can envelop an entire landscape with Golden Fire Laser effects, but these are pretty slow.
• Shut Up Sound Waves: Hecate releases piercing sound waves which are so scratchy they prevent most enemies from thinking straight. They are designed to shut rude people up right away, and to keep them from properly retaliating. She can't have them constantly blasting though (She'll lose power faster), and it may affect allies. In addition, she can't use many other moves while they are active.

Sound waves make it tough to stack stuff since she can only use those and little else offensively while active, but the combo should still be a very good option for Hecate. In addition to these, when within a still medium range Hecate can use this attack which I believe should definitely finish Jimmy off unless he has some crazy defensive thing

• Golden Tornado Flarathon: Using her Golden Fire Lasers and blasting them all around her, Hecate can wrap them around into swooping tornados, which move up and down and all around as if they're throwing an amazing party. These tornados seek to force others to join the party too, so they follow enemies according to the brainwaves of Hecate. Even getting close can shred and vaporize their surroundings, and their power stacks as well, forcing powers used nearby to outright disappear practically as fast as they arrive. After a short time of spamming the lasers and forming them into tornadoes, Hecate has what she refers to as a 'Flarathon', an immense grouping of Golden Fire Lasers able to nullify an entire enemy army. She has other ways to apply the attack in a more deadly manner too.

Depending on how Jimmy would respond I can go more into how exactly Hecate is able to manipulate her Flarathon to be far more dangerous than what the ability description lists and these are also definitely not her only options of responding to anything Jimmy does

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

in addition to her other feats of creating and designing these mechs all on her own, and her processing time surpasses the speed of 1,000 combined supercomputers

It’s not a matter of if the scanner picks him up, it’s a guaranteed chance. Golden Battlefield Mapping would just mark him and that mark stays regardless of how fast he is going. The only way to get it off would be to leave the 4000KM range but then he’s marked again as soon as he’s back was. Hecate’s reaction and thinking speed is also insane as she’s been shown to make layered plans upon plans just moments heading into a battle, and the golden scanners would tell her about all the speed stuff anyway so she can use stuff way in advance of Jimmy moving and predict everything he does through her intellect and the knowledge granted by her info analysis.

Should also note that “and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations” is one of the sentences describing extraordinary genius intellect in the wiki, which Hecate is at the very high end of

 

[MintyBoi1]

Well even if he duplicated the mech he would have no clue how to use it, all of the controls there are extremely convoluted and just plain strange, unorthodox and unconventional to the point that only Hecate can actually use it probably due not only to her intellect but to just the way she thinks which is a way no one else really does. Plus I still don’t think Jimmy is much smarter than Neired and the stuff he made had no chance at copying the golden mech

Hecate is also fully able to make a Time Machine, she just doesn’t like the optics behind it. He doesn’t have nearly as much capacity for thinking either based on all of the feats on his profile considering Hecate can comprehend a sextillion future scenarios being shown to her and not even have much of a headache after, in addition to her other feats of creating and designing these mechs all on her own, and her processing time surpasses the speed of 1,000 combined supercomputers

It’s not a matter of if the scanner picks him up, it’s a guaranteed chance. Golden Battlefield Mapping would just mark him and that mark stays regardless of how fast he is going. The only way to get it off would be to leave the 4000KM range but then he’s marked again as soon as he’s back was. Hecate’s reaction and thinking speed is also insane as she’s been shown to make layered plans upon plans just moments heading into a battle, and the golden scanners would tell her about all the speed stuff anyway so she can use stuff way in advance of Jimmy moving and predict everything he does through her intellect and the knowledge granted by her info analysis.

Plus it doesn’t sound like he has methods to beat her from outside her attack range which gives her a major advantage considering what all she can do. Here are a few things she can stack:

• Grand Down: Hecate's 'Grand Down' passive ability is based on the Mother Crush Grip from the Slimy Mech Mk. 2, except she doesn't even need to by directly on top of her enemy to use it, instead, the Golden mech releases winds in its vicinity which induce a slightly more powerful version, draining the life of opponents and making them weaker, even lowering their durability, and softening opponents skins/outer shells. Can make robots skin feel as soft as human skin.
• Golden Aura of Death: Hecate can generate a golden aura possessing the same qualities as her Golden Fire Lasers, making it somewhat of a blanket defense, however, since it isn't solid it isn't absolute, simply weakening attacks which come through her aura by using the effects of Golden Fire Lasers. However, the aura has an additional effect which saps energy from enemies, doping so on a vital level, as it took energy from Sao's very core as well as his mind and body, transferring it to Hecate. Even attempting to transfer the absorbent effects back onto Hecate were ineffective. By releasing her aura, she can envelop an entire landscape with Golden Fire Laser effects, but these are pretty slow.
• Shut Up Sound Waves: Hecate releases piercing sound waves which are so scratchy they prevent most enemies from thinking straight. They are designed to shut rude people up right away, and to keep them from properly retaliating. She can't have them constantly blasting though (She'll lose power faster), and it may affect allies. In addition, she can't use many other moves while they are active.

Sound waves make it tough to stack stuff since she can only use those and little else offensively while active, but the combo should still be a very good option for Hecate. In addition to these, when within a still medium range Hecate can use this attack which I believe should definitely finish Jimmy off unless he has some crazy defensive thing

• Golden Tornado Flarathon: Using her Golden Fire Lasers and blasting them all around her, Hecate can wrap them around into swooping tornados, which move up and down and all around as if they're throwing an amazing party. These tornados seek to force others to join the party too, so they follow enemies according to the brainwaves of Hecate. Even getting close can shred and vaporize their surroundings, and their power stacks as well, forcing powers used nearby to outright disappear practically as fast as they arrive. After a short time of spamming the lasers and forming them into tornadoes, Hecate has what she refers to as a 'Flarathon', an immense grouping of Golden Fire Lasers able to nullify an entire enemy army. She has other ways to apply the attack in a more deadly manner too.

Depending on how Jimmy would respond I can go more into how exactly Hecate is able to manipulate her Flarathon to be far more dangerous than what the ability description lists and these are also definitely not her only options of responding to anything Jimmy does

Even if Jimmy somehow can’t use the mech when he made a bunch of playground junk into functional rockets, used magic with a game boy, and has piloted alien crafts, Hecate would still be without a mech once it’s duplicated. And does anyone in the Veneficaverse have feats of multiversal travel?

Jimmy’s Brain Blast has him compiling information he’s taken in from the events of the episode which sometimes spans over at least a few days and instantly thinking up the solution to a seemingly impossible to solve problem. He’s done this several times in life threatening situations like accidentally creating an Ice Age. Hecate can think fast, but so can Jimmy and he can make plans to beat horrible odds on a whim.

Her reactions are still just FTL which is far below MFTL+. I doubt she can really tell everything Jimmy can do when half his stuff is likely stored in the Hypercube’s pocket dimension just waiting to be unleashed. Plus some of his tech like the Flux seems like stuff Hecate has never seen before going off how the most comparable thing is just basic power mimicry.

Her shields are the only thing stopping Jimmy from taking Hecate out from a distance. If he can just get those down with his forcefield negation, transmutation, existence erasure, etc. he can win.

Jimmy’s Neutronic Health Boost Caplets cured Carl and his parents’ ailments when they’re known for being the weakest and most sickly people around. They even made them superhuman. Life draining should be negated by that and if not Jimmy can use the Pain Transferal Helmet to afflict Hecate with whatever negatives effects he’s feeling. He did this to Cindy while she was back at her house, so he wouldn’t have to go through many hoops to hit Hecate directly with that from inside her mech. This should also work on the Golden Aura’s energy draining. And his hax based kit should make negating conventional damage near useless.

The Sonic Megaphone can fight back against Hecate’s sound waves and the AccoustaVac can suck them up for Jimmy to fire right back at her. He can do this at any time too, taking the sound from the area and releasing it. And it limiting Hecate means she likely won’t be able to defend herself from the sound waves if she didn’t already predict Jimmy sucking them up which is unlikely since it’ll be in the Hypercube’s dimension which she can’t see to analyze.

Jimmy has ridden tornadoes and has an energy siphon which can transform into a sword. Giving Jimmy that mass amount of energy could just make him more dangerous and give him that big physical attack he needs to break Hecate’s shields. And if it’s not restricted, Jimmy can use his Shrink Ray to lower the scope of the tornadoes and fire blasts. It should be allowed as long as Jimmy doesn’t make himself planet sized. Plus Jimmy’s ice ray could counter the fire. If that doesn’t work, he could use his sunblock to make an Ice Age like mentioned before.

I also notice Jimmy has portal creation which can get him out of certain binds like the combo you mentioned.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Ok so I think Jimmy’s rocket actually would just be FTL here. But he still has ways to approach this even if he will always be tracked.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Even if Jimmy somehow can’t use the mech when he made a bunch of playground junk into functional rockets, used magic with a game boy, and has piloted alien crafts, Hecate would still be without a mech once it’s duplicated. And does anyone in the Veneficaverse have feats of multiversal travel?

Jimmy’s Brain Blast has him compiling information he’s taken in from the events of the episode which sometimes spans over at least a few days and instantly thinking up the solution to a seemingly impossible to solve problem. He’s done this several times in life threatening situations like accidentally creating an Ice Age. Hecate can think fast, but so can Jimmy and he can make plans to beat horrible odds on a whim.

Her reactions are still just FTL which is far below MFTL+. I doubt she can really tell everything Jimmy can do when half his stuff is likely stored in the Hypercube’s pocket dimension just waiting to be unleashed. Plus some of his tech like the Flux seems like stuff Hecate has never seen before going off how the most comparable thing is just basic power mimicry.

Her shields are the only thing stopping Jimmy from taking Hecate out from a distance. If he can just get those down with his forcefield negation, transmutation, existence erasure, etc. he can win.

Jimmy’s Neutronic Health Boost Caplets cured Carl and his parents’ ailments when they’re known for being the weakest and most sickly people around. They even made them superhuman. Life draining should be negated by that and if not Jimmy can use the Pain Transferal Helmet to afflict Hecate with whatever negatives effects he’s feeling. He did this to Cindy while she was back at her house, so he wouldn’t have to go through many hoops to hit Hecate directly with that from inside her mech. This should also work on the Golden Aura’s energy draining. And his hax based kit should make negating conventional damage near useless.

The Sonic Megaphone can fight back against Hecate’s sound waves and the AccoustaVac can suck them up for Jimmy to fire right back at her. He can do this at any time too, taking the sound from the area and releasing it. And it limiting Hecate means she likely won’t be able to defend herself from the sound waves if she didn’t already predict Jimmy sucking them up which is unlikely since it’ll be in the Hypercube’s dimension which she can’t see to analyze.

Jimmy has ridden tornadoes and has an energy siphon which can transform into a sword. Giving Jimmy that mass amount of energy could just make him more dangerous and give him that big physical attack he needs to break Hecate’s shields. And if it’s not restricted, Jimmy can use his Shrink Ray to lower the scope of the tornadoes and fire blasts. It should be allowed as long as Jimmy doesn’t make himself planet sized. Plus Jimmy’s ice ray could counter the fire. If that doesn’t work, he could use his sunblock to make an Ice Age like mentioned before.

I also notice Jimmy has portal creation which can get him out of certain binds like the combo you mentioned.

If that's how it is, she actually resists that and she has resisted that since the very beginning. Her Nova Chip allows her to 'fuse DNA' with her mechs, preventing her from being forcefully warped out of them as she becomes completely one with them, to the point of the core feeling like a second heart to her. They are one and the same, teleporting the mech teleports Hecate too, and the way Jimmy would be doing this he would just duplicate Hecate herself as well (that is if it even would work at all). It's physically impossible to teleport someone out of themselves which is what Jimmy would be doing. So in the end I think it would just wind up doing nothing. Also yes there are feats of that but they are decently rare due to the way the V. Verse cosmology is

I don't see at all how that matches up with viewing a sextillion future scenarios, sorting through them all, pondering it, and choosing which ones are the best case scenarios all within seconds of time. A few days of information is nothing, even if Hecate's visions were all just one second long that would still be 31,709,791,983,764,574 years of future information all projected into her brain, and her visions were all over ten seconds long at least. Jimmy does not have a feat even relatively close to this

It's not 'basic' power mimicry this is 'change the makeup of my very being into exactly you' kind of power mimicry which again had zero effect since Neired wasn't smart enough to actually copy Hecate's coding anywhere close to correctly and he himself is extraordinary genius

True those things could work but with abilities like that she could attempt her Perception Manipulation copied from Ekaterina to change everything around her into an empty, frozen landscape where Hecate becomes virtually nonexistent to Jimmy. Hecate's is actually even stronger because her tech is superior to hers so Jimmy could have a pretty hard time unless he has a counter to illusions/perception manip like this

Afflicting Hecate with the negative effects is something which also doesn't work as she resists damage transferal, and has even already had Grand Down attempted to be transferred to her without it working (at least with a small enough effect she wouldn't notice). She can also copy his technology and assimilate it into her own via Purple Copy Scanner so his hax based kit could be turned against him, she only does this to prove points though (otherwise she'd have copied all the dragon hero suits and amassed a stupid amount of power)

Except the Golden Mech has very enhanced resistances from the previous mechs, including Mk. 1 which has this: "Able to filter out extremely harmful sounds, including her own scream attack, creating total silence within her mech while preventing then internal damages of similar sound abilities. Prevented Helios from harming her via his Sun Buzzer". So that should be what would happen if sound was reflected back

I think the name of the attack mislead you. These are most certainly not any tornadoes which Jimmy would want any part of riding on. They nullify energy on contact as well as breaking apart the molecules of anything they touch or even anything close by, vibrating with energy and breaking apart anything nearby. The lasers are able to nullify stronger powers as well simply on contact with them combining its regular properties with vibration and such to blow the matter apart. They deconstruct stuff that even grazes them and can negate Low-High regen themselves. It even accomplished this against someone with a defensive armoring designed specifically to resist it. Plus they aren't actually fire or temperature-based, they are golden constructs of disintegrating beams that destroy stuff close by on the molecular level. Plus as for the size ray, Hecate is already able to make them much larger than initially (after forming them into tornadoes) through her anger, plus as soon as he gets near them he gets drawn in and Hecate can manipulate the other tornadoes to block his avenues of escape. They act on her brainwaves so attempting to transform them into a sword could also end badly

Portals would be good to help him out a bit but once the Flarathon starts the party don't stop

 

[MintyBoi1]

If that's how it is, she actually resists that and she has resisted that since the very beginning. Her Nova Chip allows her to 'fuse DNA' with her mechs, preventing her from being forcefully warped out of them as she becomes completely one with them, to the point of the core feeling like a second heart to her. They are one and the same, teleporting the mech teleports Hecate too, and the way Jimmy would be doing this he would just duplicate Hecate herself as well (that is if it even would work at all). It's physically impossible to teleport someone out of themselves which is what Jimmy would be doing. So in the end I think it would just wind up doing nothing. Also yes there are feats of that but they are decently rare due to the way the V. Verse cosmology is

I don't see at all how that matches up with viewing a sextillion future scenarios, sorting through them all, pondering it, and choosing which ones are the best case scenarios all within seconds of time. A few days of information is nothing, even if Hecate's visions were all just one second long that would still be 31,709,791,983,764,574 years of future information all projected into her brain, and her visions were all over ten seconds long at least. Jimmy does not have a feat even relatively close to this

It's not 'basic' power mimicry this is 'change the makeup of my very being into exactly you' kind of power mimicry which again had zero effect since Neired wasn't smart enough to actually copy Hecate's coding anywhere close to correctly and he himself is extraordinary genius

True those things could work but with abilities like that she could attempt her Perception Manipulation copied from Ekaterina to change everything around her into an empty, frozen landscape where Hecate becomes virtually nonexistent to Jimmy. Hecate's is actually even stronger because her tech is superior to hers so Jimmy could have a pretty hard time unless he has a counter to illusions/perception manip like this

Afflicting Hecate with the negative effects is something which also doesn't work as she resists damage transferal, and has even already had Grand Down attempted to be transferred to her without it working (at least with a small enough effect she wouldn't notice). She can also copy his technology and assimilate it into her own via Purple Copy Scanner so his hax based kit could be turned against him, she only does this to prove points though (otherwise she'd have copied all the dragon hero suits and amassed a stupid amount of power)

Except the Golden Mech has very enhanced resistances from the previous mechs, including Mk. 1 which has this: "Able to filter out extremely harmful sounds, including her own scream attack, creating total silence within her mech while preventing then internal damages of similar sound abilities. Prevented Helios from harming her via his Sun Buzzer". So that should be what would happen if sound was reflected back

I think the name of the attack mislead you. These are most certainly not any tornadoes which Jimmy would want any part of riding on. They nullify energy on contact as well as breaking apart the molecules of anything they touch or even anything close by, vibrating with energy and breaking apart anything nearby. The lasers are able to nullify stronger powers as well simply on contact with them combining its regular properties with vibration and such to blow the matter apart. They deconstruct stuff that even grazes them and can negate Low-High regen themselves. It even accomplished this against someone with a defensive armoring designed specifically to resist it. Plus they aren't actually fire or temperature-based, they are golden constructs of disintegrating beams that destroy stuff close by on the molecular level. Plus as for the size ray, Hecate is already able to make them much larger than initially (after forming them into tornadoes) through her anger, plus as soon as he gets near them he gets drawn in and Hecate can manipulate the other tornadoes to block his avenues of escape. They act on her brainwaves so attempting to transform them into a sword could also end badly

Portals would be good to help him out a bit but once the Flarathon starts the party don't stop

Wouldn’t that just erase Hecate as well? It’s been shown Jimmy is capable of cloning himself multiple times as well as the entire Earth, so creating human life is possible. If Hecate really is that deeply bonded to her mech, the Flux hitting it could end up erasing her existence as well once it’s copied. She wouldn’t be taken out of the mech in that case since instead of just it being erased, she’d be gone too. So the rule wouldn’t really be broken.

Jimmy would still be able to think of any holes in Hecate’s plans he picked up on like her being unwilling to cause widespread damage. I also wonder if Goddard could distract her since she’s thrown off by “cute” things which a robot dog definitely falls under. Her weaknesses seem easier to pick at than Jimmy’s. Hecate can predict future events, but Jimmy can use past experience to make the perfect decision in the moment to benefit him and win against his enemies. So in a way, it balances out.

Still, Jimmy’s more haxy way of copying likely wouldn’t be able to be resisted since Jimmy just has to flash something and it’s duplicated.

Jimmy does have experience with illusions, but he doesn’t seem to have a direct counter to perception manipulation.

Then the healing capsules will have to do.

It could take down some forcefields though.

If he can’t negate them with ice or shrinking, he should be able to avoid with his rocket. Teleporting away could negate that really negatively harming Jimmy once he finds out he can’t stop the tornadoes.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Wouldn’t that just erase Hecate as well? It’s been shown Jimmy is capable of cloning himself multiple times as well as the entire Earth, so creating human life is possible. If Hecate really is that deeply bonded to her mech, the Flux hitting it could end up erasing her existence as well once it’s copied. She wouldn’t be taken out of the mech in that case since instead of just it being erased, she’d be gone too. So the rule wouldn’t really be broken.

Jimmy would still be able to think of any holes in Hecate’s plans he picked up on like her being unwilling to cause widespread damage. I also wonder if Goddard could distract her since she’s thrown off by “cute” things which a robot dog definitely falls under. Her weaknesses seem easier to pick at than Jimmy’s. Hecate can predict future events, but Jimmy can use past experience to make the perfect decision in the moment to benefit him and win against his enemies. So in a way, it balances out.

Still, Jimmy’s more haxy way of copying likely wouldn’t be able to be resisted since Jimmy just has to flash something and it’s duplicated.

Jimmy does have experience with illusions, but he doesn’t seem to have a direct counter to perception manipulation.

Then the healing capsules will have to do.

It could take down some forcefields though.

If he can’t negate them with ice or shrinking, he should be able to avoid with his rocket. Teleporting away could negate that really negatively harming Jimmy once he finds out he can’t stop the tornadoes.

Her Nova Chip just prevents that entirely since it would still be forced teleportation. Plus I'm 99% sure he'd just get the duplication wrong anyway considering Neired got it wrong too and that would probably mess the thing up on its own

Could he really find the faults in basically perfectly calculated and layered plans on top of the way she so efficiently uses her extremely crowded arsenal? Jimmy is super smart sure but we gotta keep in mind that Hecate is a total monolith of an anomaly when it comes to being smart and she is known to stack these plans at blazing speeds even without having full info on her opponent which her Golden Scanners give at least on a surface level in this fight). Her skill level isn't quite as high as Cobalt's but her thinking is in another dimension.

Has he ever been shown duplicating something more advanced than anything else he ever made? I'm very certain the Golden mech fits the bill considering how others of extraordinary genius intellect have reacted to and interacted with it. Can Jimmy create artifical souls or Mega man X Reploid-like beings?

Attacking through the perception attack should be a good wincon then since she would effectively disappear from him like she was never around

it probably could, but the question is whether or not Jimmy can keep up a balanced attack to the point that she doesn't just recovery her barriers first which would happen like 65-70 seconds after a layer is broken, and he would have to get through ten (or twenty in the energy barrier case)

Yeah he cut warp away but wouldn't he try to get close first? Molceular deconstruction and intense vacuuming would kick in if he got close and that could end him. Plus if Hecate hangs out in the middle of the Flarathon Jimmy would be forced to do something about it and I'm pretty sure that they would shred most if not all of his arsenal as soon as they enter the party

 

[MintyBoi1]

Hecate’s defenses and offenses do seem hard to counter. I’ll vote her since she could respond to or resist a lot of what Jimmy does and things he could win with can be handled.