Chara vs. The Player (Minecraft)

[Ricsi-viragosi]

mostly two things, 1st, there are beings that are above morality and as such lv doesent affect them (like chtuhlu) secndly, chara can attack souls, that should ake them able to hit the players soul, they still lel ressurect, minmd, but they can hit them

and still, why cant chara just convince the player to give up theire soul?

 

[Davidgumazon]

Chara affects souls thi. As doo her attacks, and again, the only argument fir chara was " gimme your soul and you can farm for all of eternity"

The only thing I agreed aftermath scenario is your prev point

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

yes, but why wouldent that happen, its litiraly the only thing chara does in canon other then lolmultiversebust

 

[DnW0]

mostly two things, 1st, there are beings that are above morality and as such lv doesent affect them (like chtuhlu) secndly, chara can attack souls, that should ake them able to hit the players soul, they still lel ressurect, minmd, but they can hit them
and still, why cant chara just convince the player to give up theire soul?

convince The Player to give up "theire" soul?

That's not how things work, not even 11-C beings would purposely kill themselves to lose against the opponent in a VS Battle.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but it doesent kill him. giving up his soul would give him time manipulation nd make him capable of grinding forever. thats litiraly what chara offers, give up your soul and you can play again

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

to give you a direct quote for charas immortality


"HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV:

every time a number increases, that feeling, it's me"

 

[DnW0]

but it doesent kill him. giving up his soul would give him time manipulation nd make him capable of grinding forever. thats litiraly what chara offers, give up your soul and you can play agai

That's irrelevant. Nobody cares if it doesn't kill him.

This is a VS Battle not a passive scenario where The Player just wants to do his own thing. If he's going to lose this VS Battle for that, then why would he do that.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no, he is still in character. in fights , thanos is still suicidal, 682 will still want to kill all life, madara will still want to use the infinite tsukoyomi, and the player will still want to grind, thats why Charismatic Persuasion 'i's an ability.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and he has no knowlege of the rules of the fight, he doseent have the type of fourth wall breaking needed for it

 

[DnW0]

and he has no knowlege of the rules of the fight, he doseent have the type of fourth wall breaking needed for it

4th wall breaking? Dude.

1. The Player has no "in-character" appearance because The Player is an entity that is manipulated by a REAL PERSON .So if you're talking about this "4th wall" shenanigans, then I say The Player has plenty of it.

2. Does it say "in-character" on this thread? If it doesn't state a place or a condition for this battle, it's the same thing as placing The Player and Chara in an empty void. In addition to that, this isn't only Survival Mode Player.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1 there are multiple kinds of fourth wall breaking, the kind that the player has doesent give him lnowlege of the rules of the site

2 By sba we assume them to be in character, but willing to kill

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

If it doesn't tate a place or condition for the battle, it takes place in central park actually

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

how does the fact of where it takes place change anything? i am arguing that chara would convince the player to give them his soul, as he would litiraly loose nothing, and that it would accept it eventualy in infinity.

and chara starts with multiverse bust, so the place doesent matter

 

[DnW0]

1 there are multiple kinds of fourth wall breaking, the kind that the player has doesent give him lnowlege of the rules of the site
2 By sba we assume them to be in character, but willing to kill

1. Multiple kinds of fourth wall breaking??? where did you get that from? [[[Breaking the Fourth Wall]]] doesn't show anything related to whatever you're saying.

If you're really going to bring this stuff into this thread, then I can say that the person that is manipulating The Player can easily search up this thread.

2. Again, there is not "in-character" for The Player, because The Player doesn't follow a storyline. This isn't only Survival Mode version Player and this Vs Battle isn't assuming that the fight is located in the Minecraft realm, so the only thing that the Player has to deal with is Chara, nothing else.

3. Chara CONVINCE The Player to give up his soul????? man. First of all, where does it say that The Player has an Undertale soul in general. Second, I can say that The Player can convince Chara to kill herself and that's the same as what you are saying.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1 yes there are, deadpool is aware of it, gwen pool can litiraly jump outside of the fourth wall. the player "breaks forth wall" by being commanded by us (which isnt fourth wall breaking, as his explained to be a sleepin higher dimensional being and he is not being manmipulated by us in lore)

2 there are things that are set for all possible minecraft players, one of such things is that he enjoys dreaming a reality where he can do whatever he wants to do

 

[DnW0]

1 yes there are, deadpool is aware of it, gwen pool can litiraly jump outside of the fourth wall. the player "breaks forth wall" by being commanded by us (which isnt fourth wall breaking, as his explained to be a sleepin higher dimensional being and he is nmot being manmipulated by us in lore)
2 there are things that are set for all possible minecraft players, one of such things is that he enjoys dreaming a reality where he can do whatever he wants to do

1. Maybe you need to search up "Breaking the Fourth Wall" on this site because it doesn't say there are "multiple types of breaking the fourth wall"

2. "there are things that are set for all possible minecraft players, one of such things is that he enjoys dreaming a reality where he can do whatever he wants to do". What? Did you survey the entire world? no you did not, so that's assuming things again.

The Player doesn't have a typical character so we are just going to go with the rules of the Vs Battle which is: The Player wants to "win" against Chara

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1 This includes talking to the audience, affecting the "real world", rewriting speech bubbles, acknowledging that they are part of a fictional world, and even leaving the fictional work itself and entering the "real world" (represented, obviously, by a fictionalized version of the real world). It is one of the most versatile abilities out there.

no multiple uses huh?

2 again, no, the player is willing (not wanting). to kill chara. and again, the minecraft player is represented as a being that is whitin the minecraft world of theire own volution .

and no, its on his pagfe dude, its the player who is dreaming the minecraft world :

(The Player is the creator of a "small, private world", which contains Minecraft in its entirety. This includes at least one set of three infinite space-time continuums. It is also hinted that several other video games or Minecraft worlds, which has no set limit and is easily capable of containing more than 1000 of them, are but part of the player's dream

 

[DnW0]

1 This includes talking to the audience, affecting the "real world", rewriting speech bubbles, acknowledging that they are part of a fictional world, and even leaving the fictional work itself and entering the "real world" (represented, obviously, by a fictionalized version of the real world). It is one of the most versatile abilities out there.

no multiple uses huh?

2 again, no, the player is willing (not wanting). to kill chara. and again, the minecraft player is represented as a being that is whitin the minecraft world of theire own volution .

and no, its on his pagfe dude, its the player who is dreaming the minecraft world :

(The Player is the creator of a "small, private world", which contains Minecraft in its entirety. This includes at least one set of three infinite space-time continuums. It is also hinted that several other video games or Minecraft worlds, which has no set limit and is easily capable of containing more than 1000 of them, are but part of the player's dream

1. Dude, all those descriptions are part of one definition of "Breaking the Fourth Wall". If an apple is red and a fruit, are those two types of apples??? of course not

2. It doesn't say that The Players WANTS to dream the world. So it's not in-character, it's just something that he can do. Just because it says that "dying is a mere inconvenience" The Player doesn't mean that the player wants to die. You're just misinterpreting the text and you're making up your own irrelevant topics to this battle.

This battle is inconclusive and you have no claim that proves otherwise.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1 yes, but they are still multiple possible uses that not everybody has, they are all fourth wall breaking, but someone who has one of those abilities wont have the others unless shown (again, deapool is aware but cant jump into the real world, gwen pool can)

2 " i like this player. it played well, it did not give up

the player is growing restless

sometimes, they are sad

shush, sometimes the player created a smal private world soft and warm and simple"

thiose are qoutes, we are given a somewhat basic character by the entities, the player is a person, with a human mind, and no human woukd rather sit in an eternal void instead of being in a world created by them to be whatever they like, and if a human had a choiuce between a self made world or etenal void it will chose the world, in seconds or millenia, human pshicology works like that

 

[RTXAnimator]

Once again, I can't see steve being anywhere near 2-B, since erasing worlds is a game mechanic. And by that logic, many game characters would be over 2-B, when they are obviously not.

 

[Genericstickman]

But the game mechanic is actually canon so…

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It is not anz more of a game mechanic than Save and load in undertale