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Changing SBA starting distance
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10m can give an advantage to people who aren't using things like sniper rifles as their main weapon. Any distance possible can confer an advantage, but stuff like 10m seems really short. Better range is an advantage just like a better any other stat, and the worse off character's just gotta deal with it of OP doesn't specify.
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It should in all likelihood be the distance of two fighters in a boxing ring.
Frankly, this shouldn't be that difficult. Take anything from Death Battle to an actual fighting game. The distance starting is this small.
Frankly, this shouldn't be that difficult. Take anything from Death Battle to an actual fighting game. The distance starting is this small.
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I don't agree with this.
Anyone who uses said range would keep an advantage that they naturally have. You don't like that advanage? Say that they are 5 inches apart instead then.
Anyone who uses said range would keep an advantage that they naturally have. You don't like that advanage? Say that they are 5 inches apart instead then.
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Not every character is a CQC character, there are characters who use snipers,bows, or other long range weaponry. This would be a passive disadvantage to them.The real cal howard said:
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I really want to see an human fight Anti Spiral at 4 Km away
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Speaking of range..how are characters with planetary range and beyond treated?
the 4km is pretty worthless against them.
the 4km is pretty worthless against them.
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There are no certain things in life.
Except that PaChi has the best avi in this wiki, that's more than certain.
Except that PaChi has the best avi in this wiki, that's more than certain.
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Because all the fights here are with human level characters with melee range attacks, right?
Yes, I remember that human level Death Battle fight between Goku and Superman. As well as that human level fight in Smash Bros between Mewtwo and Robin.
Yes, I remember that human level Death Battle fight between Goku and Superman. As well as that human level fight in Smash Bros between Mewtwo and Robin.
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Look at someone like a Vindicare Assassi. These guys can take shots from way further out than even the 4km max. Obviously I'm not saying "Vindicares should start on the moon by default because their guns can shoot that far", but making them start in melee range seems silly.
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Another certainty is that you have good taste.
And that Kal is good at editing.
And that Kal is good at editing.
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To be fair Sera, Most characters in fiction can. And they mostly have something that allowed them to sense their opponent location.Sera EX said:
I think the distance should be case by case scenario, depending on who is fighting who. Ex: If both combatants can see or sense their opponent from far away, 4km is fine. But if one or both of them can't it needs to be changed.
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"Yes, I remember that human level Death Battle fight between Goku and Superman. As well as that human level fight in Smash Bros between Mewtwo and Robin."
You know what.
Refer to my first reply: any set distance is arbitrary. OPs should regulate the starting distance. The fact that you like cqc fights is not an arguement to change anything.
You know what.
Refer to my first reply: any set distance is arbitrary. OPs should regulate the starting distance. The fact that you like cqc fights is not an arguement to change anything.
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Then they put distance between their opponents. Simple as that.
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If you can't figure out how to put distance between you and your opponent when you're in the range of most fights in fictions start, tough tamales.
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Idk about "most fights" tho. Look at vehicular battles, or military fictions, or fictions where people just don't fight fair, or snipers, or characters who abuse range. Plenty of fictions don't have melee range as a standard combat range.
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I don't agree with making the range close simply because of the possibility of the other opponent having a range advantage. Should we now equalize AP, remove any possible hax that gives someone a possible advantage in the match?
The OP I'm neutral too.
The OP I'm neutral too.
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There was actually a thread that came to the conclusion that if the match starts at 4km then then they won't just stand there looking around
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Bump. I know many staff agree with my suggestion from earlier but I want to make the point again: starting rage should be required by the OP of a thread. No standard distance can encasulate even a majority of threada
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I'd just like to note that even irl super long range fighting is a thing for some modes of combat, particularly aircraft. In modern times, planes can and will shoot missiles at one another from miles away, and of you're within visual range of the enemy you're probably already dead
Also keep in mind how a lot of wiki characters are incredibly fast. Even speeds we consider slow like subsonic can travel far distances really quickly.
Also keep in mind how a lot of wiki characters are incredibly fast. Even speeds we consider slow like subsonic can travel far distances really quickly.
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I don't really see why removing the standard starting distance should be done.
If it gives unfair advantages, it can be changed, as it is said in SBA already.
If it gives unfair advantages, it can be changed, as it is said in SBA already.
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Exactly. Thats why having a set distance is a bad idea
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Excuse me? None of my logic can be responded with "that's why it's bad".Chartate101 said:
Range is an actual thing that one can have over the other, and not taking it away should be a baseline assumptions. If people want to, they can specify, much like how you can specify which stones Thanos has.
There is no reason to take away a standard range. If it makes a stomp, then people will have to change it, much like how they have to put speed equal.
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This^Ricsi-viragosi said:
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Keep the sba distance as is fra ovo
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Excuse me? None of my logic can be responded with "that's why it's bad".
Range is an actual thing that one can have over the other, and not taking it away should be a baseline assumptions. If people want to, they can specify, much like how you can specify which stones Thanos has.
There is no reason to take away a standard range. If it makes a stomp, then people will have to change it, much like how they have to put speed equal.
Sorry for not making it clear, but I was responding to Wok's comment
Range is an actual thing that one can have over the other, and not taking it away should be a baseline assumptions. If people want to, they can specify, much like how you can specify which stones Thanos has.
There is no reason to take away a standard range. If it makes a stomp, then people will have to change it, much like how they have to put speed equal.
Sorry for not making it clear, but I was responding to Wok's comment
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My bad then.
But it still aplies. Both of his points directly counter yours. One is that fighting from such ranges is normal for some, and the other is that the characters are fast enough that crossing the distamce doesn't take much.
But it still aplies. Both of his points directly counter yours. One is that fighting from such ranges is normal for some, and the other is that the characters are fast enough that crossing the distamce doesn't take much.
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No, because he brought up how many fighters can fight from Kilometers away, which by the current SBA, the limit would be would only 4.
Also, what about characters with Large Size? Take the Bionis and the Mechonis from Xenoblade. Both are moon sized beings, with the Bionis standing just shy of 3000 km tall. Relative to their size, 4km is NOTHING. They are nowhere near close enough to simply extend their arms. By current SBA, they would HAVE to start at 4KM. Do you not see how thats a problem?
Also, what about characters with Large Size? Take the Bionis and the Mechonis from Xenoblade. Both are moon sized beings, with the Bionis standing just shy of 3000 km tall. Relative to their size, 4km is NOTHING. They are nowhere near close enough to simply extend their arms. By current SBA, they would HAVE to start at 4KM. Do you not see how thats a problem?
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