Chainsaw Man: The Mega CRT

[ElajRuengies]

Part 0: Fear Scaling

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This is just a minor addition to the page, but note that Fear Scaling only applies to a Devil's physicals, not special abilities. To be more specific, the physicals of a more fearsome Devil do not inherently scale above the special abilities of a less fearsome Devil. There are many cases where special abilities are dramatically stronger than their physicals, such as-

• Bat's Sonic Attack
• Typhoon's Storm
• Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation
• Weakened Falling's Gravitational Wave
• Yoru's Gun Goddess

-so it's important to make the distinction that a more fearsome Devil's strength would only automatically scale above a less feared Devil's physicals.

Part 0.5: Primals and Doggos and Horsemen Oh My!

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I'm going to be blunt. We have no idea where the Top Tiers / God Tiers precisely scale. The Aging - Pochita - Yoru scaling triangle has statements which don't work when looked at with some feats but work with others, and there simply isn't enough information to come to a conclusion. It's also unclear how relevant Part 1 Pochita's past feats are to when he fought Makima. As such, we're using [At least]s and [Possibly]s until we get more information.

Part 1: Revised Calcs

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Besides the new stuff, almost all of Chainsaw Man's existing AP calcs are getting replaced, redone, or reevaluated.

• Power Smashes Cucumber Devil: 6.72 kg of TNT
  • No Change
• Fox Chomps Building: 27.75 kg of TNT
  • Recalced to 55.50 kg of TNT
• Hybrid Denji's Durability: 8.04 tons of TNT
  • Reevaluated to 807.62 kg of TNT
• Bat Devil's Sonic Cannon: 91.14 tons of TNT
  • Reevalued to 9.14 tons of TNT
• Pochita's Hybrid Sandwich Dropkick: 404.38 tons of TNT
  • Recalced to 81.53 tons of TNT
• 20% Gun Devil Kinetic Energy: 9.15 kilotons
  • Replaced with 28% Gun Devil Erupts from Mount Elbrus: 35.89 kilotons of TNT

The Bat Devil / Denji Durability calc will now use the Violent Fragmentation end rather than Pulverization, as Pulverization means no debris and debris can clearly be seen in the shot.

Part 1.5: Other Calcs

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In addition, there's two other ReCalcs, a new Calc being added, and an old Calc being removed!

• Violence's Stomp: 3,946.10 tonnes
  • Recalced to 95,204.21 kg
• Pochita's Baseball Pitch: 34,395,359.63 tonnes
  • Recalced to 50,721,682.30 tonnes
• Yoru's Gun Goddess: 166.47 Megatons
  • This got accepted like three months ago, so obviously that's going on the Verse Page.
• Pochita's Jump: 204,467,030.03 Tonnes
  • Premised was deemed faulty, so it's getting removed.

Everyone who was Class M is now Class 100, and Pochita's [possibly higher] Lifting Strength rating is getting removed.

Part 2: The AP Scaling

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We've been discussing this one for months, it's like 99% sorted. The parts that aren't sorted are because Fujimoto likes confusing powerscalers. Please note that all "higher with piercing damage" ratings should be more specific on the pages themselves, i.e: higher with chainsaws, higher with swords, higher with arrows, etc.

Spoiler: Chainsaw Man: The Scaling

Baseline - Power Crushes Cucumber: 6.72 kg of TNT

• Initial Power (Duh)
• Initial Denji (Fights with Power)
• Pre-Assault Aki (Fought Denji)
• Himeno (Should be at least comparable to Pre-Assault Aki as his mentor)
• Kobeni (Considered talented by Himeno)
• Akane Sawatari (Former Devil Hunter)
• Pingtsi, Cosmo, Tsugihagi (Are fiends)
• Fiend Beam (Is a fiend)
• Zombies under Akane (Are basically devils, got wrecked by Post-Training Power)
• Dolls under Pre-Darknesss Santa (At most, can be killed by Fox Devil's Paw, Beam, and even Cosmo)
• Fox's Paw (Can kill dolls)

Low Tiers - Fox Chomps Restaurant: 55.50 kg of TNT

• Pre-Assault Aki w/ Fox (Duh)
• Angel's Physicals (As a full-on Devil in the Special Division he should at least be somewhere around Fox)
• Post-Assault Aki (Took a punch from the Ghost Devil without dying, performed identically to Angel against Quanxi)
• Post-Training Power (Can harm Post-Assault Aki and single-handedly take down loads of zombies)
• Post-Training Denji (Still gets into fights with Power, same scaling goes for Weakened and Current since Fear Scaling shouldn't affect his human form)
• Long (Took down Post-Training Denji)
• Partially-Tranformed Beam (Bowled over Long)
• Human Reze (At least, wrecked Post-Training Denji, later snapped his neck)
• Masked Violence (At the very least; Reze took him seriously, while she was totally unfazed by Fox biting her, better than Beam who got one-shot)

Low Mid - Hybrid Denji's Durability: 807.62 kg of TNT

• Initial Hybrid Denji (Duh)
• Bat Devil (At most, weaker but comparable to Initial Denji's physicals)
• Initial Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Bat)
• Himeno's Ghost Arm (Harmed Eternity w/ Gun Flesh, who can hurt Hybrid Denji)
• Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji (At least, knocked around Cockroach, who killed Bat by falling on him)
• Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Cockroach)
• Princi / Spider Devil (At least, should be comparable to Cockroach via Fear Scaling, I Will Die On This Hill)
• Devil Form Beam (At least, took a hit from Hybrid Reze meant for Post-Training Hybrid Denji and didn't die, albeit was one-tapped)
• Weakened Falling's Physicals (Absolute bare minimum, stopped Hybrid Denji with one finger, killed him with a kick, flicked him in half)

Mid Tiers - Bat Devil's Sonic Attack: 9.14 tons of TNT

• Post-Training Denji (Confident in his abilities to kill way more devils now, in spite of witnessing Bat's Shtick)
• Post-Training Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, bisected Katana Man when he ran into his legsaw, cut off Reze's leg, cut off Daytime Santa's arms)
• Katana Man (Damaged Ghost, can match Denji, note that he was exhausted in their previous clash when Denji was weaker)
• Katana Man's Piercing Damage (Much higher, can chop off Post-Training Denji's limbs)
• Hybrid Reze's Physicals (At least as strong as Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
• Ghost Devil (Overpowered Katana Man)
• Aki's Curse Sword (At least, can impale Katana Man)
• Aki's Angel Katana (At least, can disarm the Ghost Devil and Hybrid Reze)
• Angel Devil w/ Typical Weapons (The strongest Division 4 Agent besides Kishibe, typical weapons should be comparable to Aki's Katana)
• Kishibe's Physicals (The strongest agent in Special Division 4, offscreened Post-Training Hybrid Denji, took several hits from casual Quanxi with little damage)
• Yoshida's Physicals (Held his own and did damage to a casual Quanxi)
• Yoshida w/ Octopus (At least, can mow down loads of empowered dolls)
• Daytime Santa (Bonked Post-Training Hybrid Denji, got wrecked by Hybrid Quanxi)
• Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Stated to be empowered, can harm Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
• Zombies under Makima (Managed to slow down Pochita Clone as a mob, harmed Blood Devil Power)
• Blood Devil Power's Physicals (Pochita told her she'd come back as a powerful Devil, putting her at least above random zombies)

High Mid - Hybrid Sandwich Dropkick: 81.53 tons of TNT

• Whip Woman (Can destroy Public Safety Uniforms, which withstood being driven through several buildings by Pochita)
• Spear Man's Physicals (Should be comparable to Whip Woman)
• Hybrid Miri (Stronger than Whip given preformance against Denji)
• Post-Fear Boost Denji (Impaled Hybrid Miri)
• Hybrid Barem (Should be stronger than Whip given preformance against Pochita, can kill loads of zombies at once)
• Kobeni w/ Knife (Can pierce through Public Safety Uniforms)
• Kishibe w/ Knives (His knives should not be worse than Kobeni's)
• Akane w/ Snake Devil (One-shot the Ghost Devil, and was fearsome enough that Ghost initially refused to come out against it, completely ignoring Katana Man)
• Human Quanxi's Physicals (Hurt Yoru, could kill Yoshida with one direct hit, caught Kishibe's knife)
• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru (Cut out of Octopus, took a kick from Quanxi, hurt herself running into a wall)

High Tiers - Upscaling: 100 tons of TNT

• Human Quanxi w/ cutting damage (Bite into Fumiko who's somehow more durable than Public Safety Uniforms(???), decapitated Hybrid Miri)
• Hybrid Quanxi (Notably stronger than the other Hybrids)
• Pochita Clone (Got a double KO w/ Hybrid Quanxi)
• Hybrid Quanxi's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than her physicals)
• Pochita Clone's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than his physicals, harmed Makima)
• Unmasked Violence (Shredded his uniform just by transforming, made Darkness use the sword which was only used against Makima otherwise)
• Fiend Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Can stab Hybrid Quanxi)
• Makima (At least, literally punched off Chainsaw Man's limbs, breaking his saws on one occasion)
• Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation (At least, harmed Makima)
• Denji w/ Power Saw (At least, harmed Makima)
• Nighttime Santa (At least, caught and snapped Hybrid Quanxi's arrows, flyswatted Post-Training Hybrid Denji, thought she had the power to kill Makima)
• Angel w/ Millenium Spear (At least, utterly wrecked Weakened Pochita)

Top Tiers - Mt. Elbrus Eruption Percentage Math: 25.63 kilotons of TNT

• 20% Gun Devil (35.8893/28 * 20 = 25.63 kilotons)
• Makima's Finger Gun (Implied to be a result of her beating the 20% Gun Devil, sent Pochita into space)
• Part 1 Pochita (At least, took four bangs with only minimal damage)
• Spear Man's Spears (At least, pierced straight through Pochita)

Top/God Tiers Confusion Zone - More Mt. Elbrus Eruption Percentage Math: 128.18 kilotons

• 100% Gun Devil (35.8893/28 * 100 = 128.18 kilotons)
• Part 1 Pochita (Possibly, given past feats like devouring the four other ways life could end besides Death)
• Makima's Finger Gun (Possibly, harmed Pochita)
• Spear Man's Spears (Possibly, pierced straight through Pochita)
• Part 2 Pochita (At least, via Fear Scaling)
• Primal Fears (At least, via Fear Scaling)
• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Call to Arms (At least, put a hole in Part 2 Pochita)
• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Pochita's Saws Durability (Deflected a shot from the Gun Gauntlet)

God Tiers - Gun Goddess's Bullets: 166.47 megatons of TNT

• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Gun Goddess (Duh)
• Primal Fears (Possibly, given Yoru's statement)

 

[Zabazab]

Awesome I hate how Fujimoto handles scaling.

Usage: 1000 Years being weaker than Spear Man's spear by so much feels very wrong. While true that the weakening started making Pochita spit blood at that point, he still was black Chainsaw Man, rather than the scrawnier red Chainsaw Man in the cemetary. And considering there were parades already, with chainsaw themes and the like, it feels more likely that the news of Chainsaw Man killing the Gun started spreading before or earlier in the fight and he was constantly weakening throughout.

I don't really have a counter-argument to Miri being like 10x stronger than Reze, I just don't like it. It doesn't fit with how they're portrayed, in my opinion. I also don't like 8-B Public Safety Uniforms in general, even if they were mostly unharmed by Pochita's dropkick beyond his chainsaws.

Please note that all "higher with piercing damage" ratings should be more specific on the pages themselves, i.e: higher with chainsaws, higher with swords, higher with arrows, etc.

 

[GunshyFever]

AP section lacks scans which is critical for a CRT.

 

[Ped2018]

Damn, y'all cooking

Fujimoto has CTE

 

[ElajRuengies]

AP section lacks scans which is critical for a CRT.

Do you have a version of it with some scans you can DM me?

 

[GunshyFever]

Do you have a version of it with some scans you can DM me?

I can probably get back to you by tommorow evening with some justifications. I'm busy on Saturdays though.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Usage: 1000 Years being weaker than Spear Man's spear by so much feels very wrong. While true that the weakening started making Pochita spit blood at that point, he still was black Chainsaw Man, rather than the scrawnier red Chainsaw Man in the cemetary. And considering there were parades already, with chainsaw themes and the like, it feels more likely that the news of Chainsaw Man killing the Gun started spreading before or earlier in the fight and he was constantly weakening throughout.

Yeah, but even considering that, Spear Man pierced Pochita well before the Millennium Spear was used when Pochita really started getting screwed over.

The Millennium Spear might be scalable to the weapons used against 20% Gun, but we don't know how strong those are either, despite how they're listed as Town level on Angel's profile. And as much as I'd like to have something in the single-digits kilotons for the symmetry, I don’t think there's enough evidence to backscale the giant weapons Punishment was holding from 20% Gun's strength.

I don't really have a counter-argument to Miri being like 10x stronger than Reze, I just don't like it. It doesn't fit with how they're portrayed, in my opinion.

Yeah, the fact that Reze is currently the second weakest Hybrid after friggin' Katana Man is seriously annoying. Sure Pochita eating WWII would've tanked the fear of bombs when carpet bombing was first done, but it being nerfed that much still feels off.

I also don't like 8-B Public Safety Uniforms in general, even if they were mostly unharmed by Pochita's dropkick beyond his chainsaws.

Yeah, I getcha.

Please note that all "higher with piercing damage" ratings should be more specific on the pages themselves, i.e: higher with chainsaws, higher with swords, higher with arrows, etc.

Good thing to note!

 

[Saqphire]

The CRT itself looks good however I do have a few questions

Part 0: Fear Scaling

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This is just a minor addition to the page, but note that Fear Scaling only applies to a Devil's physicals, not special abilities. To be more specific, the physicals of a more fearsome Devil do not inherently scale above the special abilities of a less fearsome Devil. There are many cases where special abilities are dramatically stronger than their physicals, such as-

• Bat's Sonic Attack
• Typhoon's Storm
• Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation
• Weakened Falling's Gravitational Wave
• Yoru's Gun Goddess

-so it's important to make the distinction that a more fearsome Devil's strength would only automatically scale above a less feared Devil's physicals.

I agree that a devil using abilities that vastly outscale them shouldn't scale to the ability (i.e. Bat doesn't scale to his sound waves), however I'm confused as to why a more feared Devil wouldn't scale to the lesser devil's ability? Makima's own description on how fear scaling works doesn't distinguish the physicals and the ability of a devil's power, merely that a Car Devil would be > a Coffee Devil, regardless of the ability or not. Yoru and Fami also elaborate that the fear scaling amps the ability aswell, so I believe when Fujimoto is talking about strength and power in relation to fear (and as we saw with Yoru, speed aswell), he's talking about overall strength, therefore if Pochita is more feared then Falling, Pochita would logically outscale everything that Falling does for example

Part 0.5: Primals and Doggos and Horsemen Oh My!

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I'm going to be blunt. We have no idea where the Top Tiers / God Tiers precisely scale. The Aging - Pochita - Yoru scaling triangle has statements which don't work when looked at with some feats but work with others, and there simply isn't enough information to come to a conclusion. It's also unclear how relevant Part 1 Pochita's past feats are to when he fought Makima. As such, we're using [At least]s and [Possibly]s until we get more information.

I believe the issue stems from not trying to scale the more feared devils to the lesser feared ones' abilities' AP/Speed

 

[ElajRuengies]

The CRT itself looks good however I do have a few questions

I agree that a devil using abilities that vastly outscale them shouldn't scale to the ability (i.e. Bat doesn't scale to his sound waves), however I'm confused as to why a more feared Devil wouldn't scale to the lesser devil's ability? Makima's own description on how fear scaling works doesn't distinguish the physicals and the ability of a devil's power, merely that a Car Devil would be > a Coffee Devil, regardless of the ability or not. Yoru and Fami also elaborate that the fear scaling amps the ability aswell, so I believe when Fujimoto is talking about strength and power in relation to fear (and as we saw with Yoru, speed aswell), he's talking about overall strength, therefore if Pochita is more feared then Falling, Pochita would logically outscale everything that Falling does for example

Because the strength of a Devil's abilities are not dependent on their physical strength at all. While both a physicals devil's physicals and abilities get stronger from fear, two different devils abilities will be wildly different in terms of how far they are above their respective devil's physical strength, if the ability does anything power-wise at all.

So if you took two devils who were equally feared, but the first's ability was absolutely cracked AP wise compared to the other (think Typhoon's storm being absurdly stronger than its body), and then the second one became more feared, the second still wouldn't necessarily be stronger than the first devil's ability.

I believe the issue stems from not trying to scale the more feared devils to the lesser feared ones' abilities' AP/Speed

On the contrary, that would actually help, but they scale by feats anyway to statemsnts don't matter.