Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[GunshyFever]

quick question, why do we upscale mid tiers such as post training denji and co to the 440 tons from snake devil?

Forgive me for not putting a note on the verse page for this.

This is because it was not an arbitrary upscale from the Snake Devil but a conservative backscale through Santa Claus.

Post-Weakening Denji already had a baseline 8-A route through Awakened Yuko and old Public Safety suit scaling, so keeping Post-Training Denji in the same 100 ton range made the keys feel too compressed. We then decided to use Nighttime Santa as the bridge, since Post-Training Denji takes comparable damage from her nighttime form as he does from her daytime form.

The fire also did not instantly make Santa massively weaker. Her regeneration was still functioning normally at first and only started slowing down over time, so the Santa Denji fought should not be treated as some heavily nerfed version from the start.

Because of that, Denji's physicals were placed at the lower Snake Devil value around 443 tons, as a conservative backscale rather than scaling him fully to Nighttime Santa's higher value. Characters who are relative to him or scale through his chainsaws, Katana, Reze and the New Public Safety suit chain then follow from that.

See here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/chainsaw-man-address-me.189605/

 

[NikHelton]

Forgive me for not putting a note on the verse page for this.

This is because it was not an arbitrary upscale from the Snake Devil but a conservative backscale through Santa Claus.

Post-Weakening Denji already had a baseline 8-A route through Awakened Yuko and old Public Safety suit scaling, so keeping Post-Training Denji in the same 100 ton range made the keys feel too compressed. We then decided to use Nighttime Santa as the bridge, since Post-Training Denji takes comparable damage from her nighttime form as he does from her daytime form.

The fire also did not instantly make Santa massively weaker. Her regeneration was still functioning normally at first and only started slowing down over time, so the Santa Denji fought should not be treated as some heavily nerfed version from the start.

Because of that, Denji's physicals were placed at the lower Snake Devil value around 443 tons, as a conservative backscale rather than scaling him fully to Nighttime Santa's higher value. Characters who are relative to him or scale through his chainsaws, Katana, Reze and the New Public Safety suit chain then follow from that.

See here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/chainsaw-man-address-me.189605/

Why does Santa scale to the Snake Demon?

 

[Kooliooooo]

Why does Santa scale to the Snake Demon?

that’s my question too, yeah. maybe it’s just the fact that there’s literally primal fear flesh in ‘em and seemingly these powers are integral for at least gaining the confidence to approach makima

 

[NikHelton]

that’s my question too, yeah. maybe it’s just the fact that there’s literally primal fear flesh in ‘em and seemingly these powers are integral for at least gaining the confidence to approach makima

It's not like Makima had exceptional durability... Did Santa know Makima's true nature? Because being at Guanxi level isn't enough to defeat her.

 

[GunshyFever]

Why does Santa scale to the Snake Demon?

that’s my question too, yeah. maybe it’s just the fact that there’s literally primal fear flesh in ‘em and seemingly these powers are integral for at least gaining the confidence to approach makima

I had to do some double checking and I actually made an error in the OP of that thread, but non the less we're good now.

She scales to that value by snatching and breaking Transformed Quanxi's arrows which could pierce through weakened Pochita, thats all.

For reference (In AP): Transformed Quanxi ~ Weakened Pochita ~< Santa Claus ~ Makima (upscales from the Snake Devil physically)

Edit: I really need to work on the verse notes section.

 

[Kooliooooo]

It's not like Makima had exceptional durability... Did Santa know Makima's true nature? Because being at Guanxi level isn't enough to defeat her.

she’s superior to virtually all mid tiers to begin with.
darkness devil knows a whole lot, and makima being the control devil (i think) is a generally known fact among government big dogs. darkness devil already had a bit of a spar with makima, so there’s that as well

 

[GunshyFever]

Koolio is like the good version of @Aaaaa11112222, because he actually helps me remember to fix justifications for the verse.

 

[Kooliooooo]

Koolio is like the good version of @Aaaaa11112222, because he actually helps me remember to fix justifications for the verse.

don’t flatter me

 

[Kooliooooo]

Koolio is like the good version of @Aaaaa11112222, because he actually helps me remember to fix justifications for the verse.

btw idk if it’s just weird chain scaling but i’m pretty sure a bunch of profiles have mixed up statistic values even though a lot of the scaling is similar i.e. through public safety uniforms
idk which off the e top of my head but i can look

 

[GunshyFever]

btw idk if it’s just weird chain scaling but i’m pretty sure a bunch of profiles have mixed up statistic values even though a lot of the scaling is similar i.e. through public safety uniforms
idk which off the e top of my head but i can look

No worries, I know exactly what your talking about, those will be fixed in an upcoming CRT in due time, after I tie a few other loose ends.

 

[Kooliooooo]

No worries, I know exactly what your talking about, those will be fixed in an upcoming CRT in due time, after I tie a few other loose ends.

 

[NikHelton]

I had to do some double checking and I actually made an error in the OP of that thread, but non the less we're good now.

She scales to that value by snatching and breaking Transformed Quanxi's arrows which could pierce through weakened Pochita, thats all.

For reference (In AP): Transformed Quanxi ~ Weakened Pochita ~< Santa Claus ~ Makima (upscales from the Snake Devil physically)

Edit: I really need to work on the verse notes section.

Please don't take this as nitpicking. Why is Makima physically superior to the Snake Demon? We know from the Aging Demon that their physical strength doesn't always correlate with their AP. We all know that Makima is dangerous because of her contracts and hax, not her physical strength.

By the way, Gunshy, why isn't Makima's telekinesis a 7-B? She's capable of dealing serious damage to Darkness Devil.

 

[Epiccheev]

By the way, Gunshy, why isn't Makima's telekinesis a 7-B? She's capable of dealing serious damage to Darkness Devil.

Unnamed bio hax

 

[NikHelton]

Unnamed bio hax

Looks like telekinesis tbh

 

[Breadbear83]

I had to do some double checking and I actually made an error in the OP of that thread, but non the less we're good now.

She scales to that value by snatching and breaking Transformed Quanxi's arrows which could pierce through weakened Pochita, thats all.

For reference (In AP): Transformed Quanxi ~ Weakened Pochita ~< Santa Claus ~ Makima (upscales from the Snake Devil physically)

Edit: I really need to work on the verse notes section.

Was the 8C Fox Devil KE that I mentioned the other day something needing just a note, or rescaling to his 8C feat over the 9A feat that some characters scale to?

 

[GunshyFever]

We know from the Aging Demon that their physical strength doesn't always correlate with their AP. We all know that Makima is dangerous because of her contracts and hax, not her physical strength.

Well my friend, that is why you take the scope of that specific fear scaling into context. There are two things Makima's fear scaling is proportionate to: her control/conquest and her physical stats.

Even if they are not always perfectly proportionate, we have seen fear empowerment affect more than just hax. Yoru is the clearest example. After being empowered by the Chainsaw Man apocalypse, her physical durability went from being chopped up by Yoshida to tanking an entire slice from him.

Her empowerment was aimed at two things: her weaponification and her physical strength/durability. Both increased at the same time.
So with Makima, her physical strength and conquest would naturally be rising far above the Snake Devil at the rate she was being feared. Governments worldwide were surrendering in fear of her, her own colleagues and a large portion of Public Safety feared her, and this was all combined with her power to control everything she considered beneath her.

The empowerment of Makima pushed the United States to summon the Gun Devil in an effort to stop her. The President himself says that fearing and strengthening Makima is nothing less than the worst possible peace in human history.

By all fear scaling routes, especially physically, Makima should logically upscale above the Snake Devil. The Snake Devil's power is not outlandish here. In fact, it is a mid-tier threat for the active time it was used. Beings like weakened Pochita and Darkness empowered Santa Claus should also logically scale above the Snake Devil through their own fear based scaling, since they are treated as being on a completely different level of physical strength and overall threat.

To make it easier on your mind, fear scaling works like this.

Makima's physical strength + abilities > The snake devils physical strength + abilities

Unless there is a specific ability that intertwines to increase AP, fear scaling works proportionatly.

 

[Epiccheev]

Looks like telekinesis tbh

Her Tk is a glorified invisible bullet of concussive force.
Darkness has a force shield and there's no indication of impact before it starts bleeding. I'd say its closer to the hemorrhaging she can induce because Fujimoto decided it would be hype.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Feel Makima who at her peak was still getting killed by bullets and rockets probably wasn't intended to be physically stronger than the Kaiju Devil she used to kill the Gun Devil.

 

[GunshyFever]

Feel like Makima who at her peak was still getting killed by bullets and rockets probably wasn't intended to be physically stronger than the Kaiju Devil she used to kill the Gun Devil.

The Snake Devil isn't accepted to, and is not shown doing anything to the Gun Devil, apart from transporting the Punishment Devil to the Gun Devil safely. Else, the Snake Devil would be 7-C, and Makima, would not be scaling to it.

Characters like Red Chainsaw Man are shown to fight Kaijus on the daily and are displayed to be above them in durability. This is the same Chainsaw Man that Makima dwarfs in physical strength.

 

[NikHelton]

Well my friend, that is why you take the scope of that specific fear scaling into context. There are two things Makima's fear scaling is proportionate to: her control/conquest and her physical stats.

Even if they are not always perfectly proportionate, we have seen fear empowerment affect more than just hax. Yoru is the clearest example. After being empowered by the Chainsaw Man apocalypse, her physical durability went from being chopped up by Yoshida to tanking an entire slice from him.

Her empowerment was aimed at two things: her weaponification and her physical strength/durability. Both increased at the same time.
So with Makima, her physical strength and conquest would naturally be rising far above the Snake Devil at the rate she was being feared. Governments worldwide were surrendering in fear of her, her own colleagues and a large portion of Public Safety feared her, and this was all combined with her power to control everything she considered beneath her.

The empowerment of Makima pushed the United States to summon the Gun Devil in an effort to stop her. The President himself says that fearing and strengthening Makima is nothing less than the worst possible peace in human history.

By all fear scaling routes, especially physically, Makima should logically upscale above the Snake Devil. The Snake Devil's power is not outlandish here. In fact, it is a mid-tier threat for the active time it was used. Beings like weakened Pochita and Darkness empowered Santa Claus should also logically scale above the Snake Devil through their own fear based scaling, since they are treated as being on a completely different level of physical strength and overall threat.

To make it easier on your mind, fear scaling works like this.

Makima's physical strength + abilities > The snake devils physical strength + abilities

Unless there is a specific ability that intertwines to increase AP, fear scaling works proportionatly.

Oh, I see, thank you

 

[NikHelton]

The Snake Devil isn't accepted to, and is not shown doing anything to the Gun Devil, apart from transporting the Punishment Devil to the Gun Devil safely. Else, the Snake Devil would be 7-C, and Makima, would not be scaling to it.

Characters like Red Chainsaw Man are shown to fight Kaijus on the daily and are displayed to be above them in durability. This is the same Chainsaw Man that Makima dwarfs in physical strength.

He means that the fact that she was killed with rifles and an RPG shot is confusing.

 

[GunshyFever]

He means that the fact that she was killed with rifles and an RPG shot is confusing.

Plot induced Stupidity, Makima is shown spongey to display her immortality and regeneration from even earlier in into the story.

But when she gets into a physical fight with a guy who dropped 9 weapon hybrids, she is able to take blunt force kicks and jabs from him.

For short, she's tough when Fujimoto wants to display her strength, and spongey when Fujimoto wants to show off her contract. Same thing with Yoru.

 

[GunshyFever]

Was the 8C Fox Devil KE that I mentioned the other day something needing just a note, or rescaling to his 8C feat over the 9A feat that some characters scale to?

Aye, after I get this last exam done, I'll sort things out with you in Dms. Heads kinda spinning a bit.

 

[Breadbear83]

at last this recalc got accepted, was about to make the 5th bump of it

Back at Supersonic fodders! it just increases the original calc by like 1.4x, so everyone currently scaling to the feat just gets the value of the recalc, simple CRT that i could do myself tomorrow, if theres something else about the speed ratings, could be on a more important CRT, as that refers to scaling chains

 

[Bruh]

Yeah best not too take bullets too serious in fiction, along side fall damage as they can seemingly hurt people who can destroy buildings and such

 

[Bruh]

Is there a calc of PFB Yoru LS for jumping at Yoshida at high speed ?

 

[Breadbear83]

Is there a calc of PFB Yoru LS for jumping at Yoshida at high speed ?

does it count as LS the fact she destroyed the wall she accidentally hit by jumping? i think Jumping feats are not accepted, or are stricter, she not visibly destroying the floor she was standing when she jumped, rather breaking a wall when hitting it its something for AP and Durability

 

[Bruh]

at last this recalc got accepted, was about to make the 5th bump of it

Back at Supersonic fodders! it just increases the original calc by like 1.4x, so everyone currently scaling to the feat just gets the value of the recalc, simple CRT that i could do myself tomorrow, if theres something else about the speed ratings, could be on a more important CRT, as that refers to scaling chains

* CSM fodders wave back at JJK mid tiers as they move back up Supersonic *

 

[Bruh]

does it count as LS the fact she destroyed the wall she accidentally hit by jumping? i think Jumping feats are not accepted, or are stricter, she not visibly destroying the floor she was standing when she jumped, rather breaking a wall when hitting it its something for AP and Durability

Since this one has visible destruction, i think it should be fine not like the Star and stripe feat

 

[Breadbear83]

* CSM fodders wave back at JJK mid tiers as they move back up Supersonic *

Relativistic Reactions Sukuna and FTL WCS are getting nuked too

 

[Bruh]

 

[GodEarh206]

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