Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[Breadbear83]

The Bat Devil would only upscale via using that ability specifically and would not scale himself. Yet again, that's a rather bold claim to make. Just because he's fodder doesn't mean he can't be SOS. He isn't speed capped like some human devil hunters and what you are saying is that statement would plausibly place them on similar levels.

And you mention that Hybrid Denji didn't dodge the attack. It's more so that he couldn't. In the manga, Denji rushes toward the Bat Devil and as he is about to strike him mid-air, he is then hit by the pressure of the sound wave which sends him flying back. That is a scenario where he wasn't capable of dodging, not proof that he can't.

whats SOS? also, ´´that statement´´ there arent any statements referring to the attack in the manga nor other sources that i could find, just the attack maybe looking like a supersonic boom, which his vsbw profile says but not supported by official statements

 

[GunshyFever]

whats SOS? also, ´´that statement´´ there arent any statements referring to the attack in the manga nor other sources that i could find, just the attack maybe looking like a supersonic boom, which his vsbw profile says but not supported by official statements

Short for speed of sound. We also do not just rely on statements. We can also visually infer an ability's speed and as you described it well yourself, it should fit into the SOS category.

 

[Breadbear83]

Short for speed of sound. We also do not just rely on statements. We can also visually infer an ability's speed and as you described it well yourself, it should fit into the SOS category.

i know the feat doesnt neccesarily needs an statement that makes it believable as a SOS Feat, but a statement may be neccesary if someone wanted to have some Character like Transformed Beam (Faster than bat devil when transformed) scale to Bat Devil by having baseline supersonic speed of Mach 1.1 on a calc of a feat where, for example, when Rezee Blitzed him, where Rezee is calculated from being faster than a supersonic character (for example in Yoru Weaponization speed calc, is accepted to have Pochita at Baseline Supersonic by being faster than Base quanxi being stated to be faster than sound)

idk much about Supersonic Booms so i also didnt know if the Attack behaves like a supersonic boom

 

[Pyro9278]

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[Breadbear83]

Can yoru spinning the aquarium spear at supersonic speeds be applied lifting strength? : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw_Man:_Yoru_spins_the_aquarium_spear

In KE, I get the spear to have a weight of 4.71kg if made of steel (due to its volume) with a KE of 5.69 Megajoules, then should translate to lifting strength by some formula related to yorus arm length and it movements or something

If the spear had a weight of like 500 Tons (average aquarium in tokyo has several thousands of m²) due to being made of the whole aquarium, it would be 171 Tons of TNT

Prob the later would be Class G which seems a lot even if it was agreed that Yorus weapons keep their weight

 

[Saqphire]

Yoru’s weapons keeping their weight isn’t justified unfortunately and I don’t think it’s true as otherwise her lifting strength wouldn’t struggle against a building or a car

 

[Arkenis]

Can yoru spinning the aquarium spear at supersonic speeds be applied lifting strength? : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw_Man:_Yoru_spins_the_aquarium_spear

In KE, I get the spear to have a weight of 4.71kg if made of steel (due to its volume) with a KE of 5.69 Megajoules, then should translate to lifting strength by some formula related to yorus arm length and it movements or something

If the spear had a weight of like 500 Tons (average aquarium in tokyo has several thousands of m²) due to being made of the whole aquarium, it would be 171 Tons of TNT

Prob the later would be Class G which seems a lot even if it was agreed that Yorus weapons keep their weight

Probably. it's a good showcase of LS and speed.

 

[Hecky2222]

AURA FARMING LEAGUE ! MATCH 18: DARKNESS DEVIL VS AKAINU (WEEK 3)

Chainsaw Man vs One Piece From a place where fear has no name… only presence… something emerges that was never meant to exist. Silent. Endless. Every moment… swallowed before it begins. Not destruction… not death… just absence itself. The embodiment of primal fear… Darkness Devil. And across...

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[Hecky2222]

AURA FARMING LEAGUE ! MATCHDAY 13: POCHITA VS ALUCARD (WEEK 3)

Chainsaw Man vs Hellsing From a world where fear takes form… beats a heart that devils themselves remember. Simple. Quiet. Yet behind it… something unstoppable. A presence that erases more than it destroys… The origin of chainsaws and nightmares… Pochita. And across him… A legend that refuses...

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[Epiccheev]

 

[Bruh]

Can yoru spinning the aquarium spear at supersonic speeds be applied lifting strength? : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw_Man:_Yoru_spins_the_aquarium_spear

In KE, I get the spear to have a weight of 4.71kg if made of steel (due to its volume) with a KE of 5.69 Megajoules, then should translate to lifting strength by some formula related to yorus arm length and it movements or something

If the spear had a weight of like 500 Tons (average aquarium in tokyo has several thousands of m²) due to being made of the whole aquarium, it would be 171 Tons of TNT

Prob the later would be Class G which seems a lot even if it was agreed that Yorus weapons keep their weight

Maybe just use the weight of a spear and get LS from speed, would that be higher than class 5 tho ?

 

[Breadbear83]

Can yoru spinning the aquarium spear at supersonic speeds be applied lifting strength? : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw_Man:_Yoru_spins_the_aquarium_spear

In KE, I get the spear to have a weight of 4.71kg if made of steel (due to its volume) with a KE of 5.69 Megajoules, then should translate to lifting strength by some formula related to yorus arm length and it movements or something

If the spear had a weight of like 500 Tons (average aquarium in tokyo has several thousands of m²) due to being made of the whole aquarium, it would be 171 Tons of TNT

Prob the later would be Class G which seems a lot even if it was agreed that Yorus weapons keep their weight

i did the calc with the help of some people, reasonable results if the spear has the realistic weight of a spear of any material, or Class G Yoru if the spear has the weight of the whole Aquarium

yeah, anyone would call the Class G Pre Fear boost Yoru wank, but eventually the weight of yoru weapons will be discussed in a CRT

 

[Lilybitdun]

Don't think spinning a merely 4.7kg spear would count as an LS feat considering this thread

So if used as an LS feat it would have be one of the higher mass ends

 

[Breadbear83]

Don't think spinning a merely 4.7kg spear would count as an LS feat considering this thread

So if used as an LS feat it would have be one of the higher mass ends

From what I see of that thread, it complains of just jumping or moving a 3 pound sword scaling to Class P (entire moons of lifting strength), the 4.71kg spear gets to class 5 to class K, at some point lifting and moving smaller objects should definitively count for lifting strength, but unsure of at what order of magnitude is accepted

 

[Lilybitdun]

From what I see of that thread, it complains of just jumping or moving a 3 pound sword scaling to Class P (entire moons of lifting strength), the 4.71kg spear gets to class 5 to class K, at some point lifting and moving smaller objects should definitively count for lifting strength, but unsure of at what order of magnitude is accepted

Considering the feat of star and stripes LS is moving herself (93.1 kg) is called into question in the thread should mean 4.7kg also would be below the barrier

I would assume anything above 545.2kg is valid

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Swords n Samurai (Genichi Sojo vs Samurai Sword)

Imagine, if you will, a world where two different Shonen Manga merge for the faces of the underworld to clash. A world where there's themes n such Why and how I cannot answer my friend, but where? Well, nowhere else but... The Twilight Zone Rules Speed will be Equalized Genichi Sojo will be...

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[Antvasima]

Hello. Are these changes acceptable to keep, or should I revert them?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kiga?curid=4919358&diff=9484735&oldid=9472871

 

[Zabazab]

Hello. Are these changes acceptable to keep, or should I revert them?

They can stay but I'd put a spoiler warning to the top of the page personally.

 

[Breadbear83]

Hello. Are these changes acceptable to keep, or should I revert them?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kiga?curid=4919358&diff=9484735&oldid=9472871

Attack potency part still acknowledges her as the fear of famine, verse page should also have her as the Death horseman like it does with makima being control devil there

 

[GunshyFever]

Honestly, I do not believe the page should be edited at all. Patience is required as we slowly push out updates for the profiles. There is no need to rush this and cause confusion. I believe it should be reverted.

If edits are to be made to a profile, please check with the supporters here in the general discussion thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I have reverted the edits, but you all probably need to handle some updates to the information in our Chainsaw Man wiki pages.

 

[GunshyFever]

No worries. Once I am free, alot of CRT's and profile renovations will be pushed out. Among others.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then.

 

[Breadbear83]

hey everyone heres a question, cant Snake Devil snoot drop Calc use PE instead of KE? i see for example in this calc made by a CGM, and accepted by another CGM, its accepted to calc a non humanoid Large Size character PE with the PE formula that is generally used for humanoid characters, it just uses the height of the non humanoid character

for snake devil snoot drop, if using values of the original calc: a weight of 3,530,787,900 (Billions of kg) and full body length of 512.1297868 meters.

PE: 3,530,787,900*9.8*(512.1297868/2) = 8.860286e12 Joules (2.11765 Kilotons of TNT, Small Town Level)

or else im missing something that allows that other non humanoid character get PE but Snake Devil cannot, if it matters, Snake devil body width is 49.99 Meters, about 10% of the full body length, a bit fat for a snake

also a 511.897 Meters tall human also has Small Town Level AP according to large size calculations

 

[GunshyFever]

I hate to be vague, but I do not like the idea of it. It may be because I am very conservative when it comes to my knowledge of the calcing spectrum, nor do I wish to share my possible misunderstandings and clutter the thread with words from an ill-informed man. I would say it is best to check with the calc group if you believe it is important. I do not like it and I believe K.E. is the better route here. I do not believe that calc should be meddled with in such ways.

 

[Natsuki012]

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

If anyone was still hoping for the ending to get expanded in the final volume, I'm sorry to say that that won't happen; the page count is just too low.

 

[GunshyFever]

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Chainsaw Devil vs Radio Demon

Pochita vs Alastor Rule: • SBA was used • "Weakened" Pochita and "Base" Alastor was used • Speed was Equalized • Battle took in Hell (Chainsaw Man) Birth Chainsaw: @GodEarh206 Deer Radio: @Anonymous_Learner, @Doggo, @OiEuSouDuvi, @DarkLock92 Goku Solos:

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[Pearly0nsams]

 

[GunshyFever]

 

[Hecky2222]

chat, which category does Pochita fail to qualify for History EE?

I mean if verse showed it, it can be history and concept at same time. Names Pochita erased gets erased across all future, past, present. So why it wasn't history again?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I think history EE only works when in relation to Pochita erasing himself as there's contritictions otherwise

 

[Saqphire]

chat, which category does Pochita fail to qualify for History EE?

I mean if verse showed it, it can be history and concept at same time. Names Pochita erased gets erased across all future, past, present. So why it wasn't history again?

It should

I think history EE only works when in relation to Pochita erasing himself as there's contritictions otherwise

Such as ?

 

[Alexander]

Such as ?

You know, probably a basic one, like the fact that POCHITA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE EVENTS IN THE WHOLE WORK?

 

[GunshyFever]

I think history EE only works when in relation to Pochita erasing himself as there's contritictions otherwise

What do you mean by that? We are shown that when Pochita erases certain concepts, it completely erases them from history. The first example of this is the Ear Devil, where humans had evolved without ears and used certain appliances meant for ears for different functions, such as ear picks now being used for arts and crafts.

While it is stated that Pochita's erasure is indeed messy, certain concepts that are seemingly entirely abstract such as Death are only erased from the present onward.

Seemingly physical concepts are erased from history, in contrast to abstract concepts. I went back and the concept of mouths was only erased from the present onward. It is best to just accept that the nature of Pochita's erasure is messy and move on.

 

[Alexander]

It doesn't really help out that Fujimoto seems to do the "New powers as the plot demands" for its ability, and we are given to many riddle for ages.

 

[GunshyFever]

Depends, what riddle do you query?

 

[Alexander]

Depends, what riddle do you query?

What is Pochita's true name?
Why were the original purpose of the chainsaws (if people can somehow turn into trees after thousands of years)

 

[GunshyFever]

What is Pochita's true name?

Chainsaw Devil

Why were the original purpose of the chainsaws (if people can somehow turn into trees after thousands of years)

Whatever it was, it was erased. I do believe there is some correlation between humans turning into trees and chainsaws. Fujimoto was incredibly vague though.