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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

ElajRuengies said:
I get it, but counterpoint: Fakesaw being stronger than a Fear-Boosted Pochita would be really, really dumb.

And you can't just wave it off as only the chainsaws being absurdly strong like a Spear Man moment; Fakesaw outright took less knockback than Pochita did upon changing the Bang's trajectory, despite being weak according to Denji. And a hole-punched Pochita should still be leagues stronger than Hybrid Denji.

Chainsaws have been stronger than one's physicals, but not by absurdly huge degrees. One of Pochita's outright broke from Makima's 4 Bangs while his body was injured, and they also got dusted with the rest of him against the Gun Goddess. And Denji's performances- namely getting turned into a burnt nugget against Reze- also show a similar relationship. There's no reason why Fakesaw's saws should be literally hundreds of thousands of times tougher than the rest of him.

Give it a rest dude. Mountain level's already pushing my comfort zone tbh.
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I never really thought Fake Chainsaw Man was stronger than Fear-Noosted Pochita at any point. We already had a conversation about the logistics of both scenes where Pochita was caught off guard and Fake Chainsaw Man was prepared. I also believe that actually having the Fire Devil inside you is extremely notable, which justifies his chainsaws being that strong. I don’t really see an issue with the chainsaws being stronger than him by an absurd degree either. Sure, it feels weird, but I actually agree with you.

The real issue is that Fake Chainsaw Man deflected the same attack that knocked back a weakened Pochita. Why is he that strong? We don’t know. Is he Primal level? Probably because of the Fire Devil, which seems to affect the power of his chainsaws. It all ties together and kind of makes sense. I get that it’s weird that only his chainsaws are affected, but that’s just how Fujimoto chose to portray it.

Just know that I’m not disagreeing with you here. I don’t like jumping random characters to Primal levels either. However, I want things to make sense and not be confusing, which is why I’m not dismissing the feat entirely. Later on I want everything in the story to tie in and make sense. Call it OCD if you will.
Zabazab said:
Creating a huge hole in a building and creating a not-so-deep crater on the road still is a gap beyond just the simple gap in shot size, I feel.

Also looking back, it's really funny how Makima's Bang erased Power's torso and cratered the wall begind her, but Yoru's Bang just became neutralized upon blowing up the Chainsaw-Zombies who jumped in front of Twinsaw.
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Is it just me or isn’t that basically the same thing? If not Yoru's bang having the more powerful destructive showings. Regardless, as I mentioned above, Fake Saw actually parried the same attack that was thrown at Pochita. We don’t need to get into a debate about size and potency if that’s already been demonstrated.

Also, remember, we can only assume how much she can minimize it based on what we've seen. The smallest instance was the one used on Pochita, where it only covered a small area on his torso.
 
GunshyFever said:
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Oh hey, Nomo made it!
Zabazab said:
Creating a huge hole in a building and creating a not-so-deep crater on the road still is a gap beyond just the simple gap in shot size, I feel.

Also looking back, it's really funny how Makima's Bang erased Power's torso and cratered the wall begind her, but Yoru's Bang just became neutralized upon blowing up the Chainsaw-Zombies who jumped in front of Twinsaw.
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Obviously Makima's apartment is 7-C, the rocket launcher that the Anti-Makima Squad had was High 7-C, and the Pseudo Chainsaw Man are baseline 7-B.
 
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ElajRuengies said:
Obviously Makima's apartment is 7-C, the rocket launcher that the Anti-Makima Squad had was High 7-C, and the Pseudo Chainsaw Man are baseline 7-B.
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Sounds reasonable.

But seriously, she could leave a mid crater in an apartment wall or launch Pochita into space with Bang. Its output being adjustable just the same as its size can be adjusted seems more than reasonable.
 
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War Devil vs Chainsaw Man Yoru (War Devil) VS Pochita (Chainsaw Devil) A demon makes itself look beautiful to deceive humans: An angel makes itself look scary to ward off evil: Stats Yoru (War Devil) Attack Potency: Varies; 100 Tons of TNT physically, Varies with weapons, At least...
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GunshyFever said:
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FUJIMOTO SHOW REZE DESTROY PUBLIC SAFETY UNIFORM AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
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Jesterofgames said:
Why?
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Because Reze being at High 8-C fits perfectly with the narrative scaling we're aiming for.

If you didn't already know, Reze is the weakest hybrid. Without the mass fear of nuclear weapons, the kind of fear that represents complete obliteration for humanity, she's stuck with basic bombs and conventional explosives. These are typically used only by military personnel, not the general public. Heck, even guns required special permission to be fired in Japan due to strict gun control laws. Bombs and similar explosives were heavily restricted and mostly confined to the battlefield. Plus, Reze doesn’t really have a reputation outside of the assassin world.

Now those are just side reasons. The main reason we can't give Reze higher stats is consistency. She consistently demonstrates 9-A to 9-A+ feats with her explosions. Her High 8-C rating mainly comes from her rightful scaling, as she’s arguably the most versatile hybrid when it comes to controlling and skillfully using her abilities. That makes a High 8-C rating justifiable. Anything beyond that like 8-B or 8-A would be a stretch.

The PS uniforms in the series are highly durable due to their unknown materials. That’s why Reze in the manga, couldn’t even scratch one. She doesn’t have the AP to do so. Even regular devil hunters like Nomo were able to tank her point-blank self-destruction blasts.

If Reze actually damages PS suits in the movie, we lose consistency. That would likely force us to fall back on scaling Line C.
 
"Asa Mitaka" disregards Yoru, and "Asa Mitaka (Yoru)" implies Yoru is the "main" personality.
 
Just noticed something. Yoru regenerated her face after being aged by Aging Devil. Would this count as just normal regen or stuff like that?
 
Zabazab said:
"Asa Mitaka" disregards Yorul
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That's exactly why the profile should be named "Asa Mitaka", because it's not Yoru's body.

Kinda like how Yuji's profile is name "Yuji Itadori" despite having Sukuna within him in some keys, but it focuses on his own stats.

Asa and Yoru share the same stats and half a brain. "Asa mitaka" is the name of the host, hence the profile should be named "Asa Mitaka", if that makes any sense.
 
GunshyFever said:
That's exactly why the profile should be named "Asa Mitaka", because it's not Yoru's body.

Kinda like how Yuji's profile is name "Yuji Itadori" despite having Sukuna within him in some keys, but it focuses on his own stats.

Asa and Yoru share the same stats and half a brain. "Asa mitaka" is the name of the host, hence the profile should be named "Asa Mitaka", if that makes any sense.
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Makes sense

Though if in the possibility that Yoru somehow doesnt need Asa as a vessel (Yoru is able to be free without a vessel or something) , would she get her own profile?
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Makes sense

Though if in the possibility that Yoru somehow doesnt need Asa as a vessel (Yoru is able to be free without a vessel or something) , would she get her own profile?
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Once she gets feats in her main body yeah.

But uh, I think it would be the best upon everyone to just name the profile "Asa Mitaka & Yoru"
 
GunshyFever said:
Kinda like how Yuji's profile is name "Yuji Itadori" despite having Sukuna within him in some keys, but it focuses on his own stats.
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However unlike Sukuna, Yoru is the one with control over the body.

I'm indifferent to Asa Mitaka & Yoru, it's clunky but it works.
 
^ Agree.

On a side note: Should they get a 3rd key without the previous weapons, but with building sword (that Yoru created after Falling broke a building, without touching), the gauntlets and Gun Goddess? Since she only used them after losing both arms
 
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I don’t think MHS+ fakesaw is it.
It’s not only the area that varies. Yoru's bang can for sure vary in power:
With it the speed should vary too.
If we follow the idea of bang varying in speed then Fakesaw deflecting bang becomes Hypersonic and completely consistent with the current verse scaling, not a big jump.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
I don’t think MHS+ fakesaw is it.
It’s not only the area that varies. Yoru's bang can for sure vary in power:
With it the speed should vary too.
If we follow the idea of bang varying in speed then Fakesaw deflecting bang becomes Hypersonic and completely consistent with the current verse scaling, not a big jump.
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Bad examples, Fake Chainsaw Man is MHS+ because he deflected the same magnitude of "bang" that damaged Pochita. As well as dodging an off guard attack and a serious attack from the Gun Gauntlet. We've pretty much already discussed this and what we're going to do about it. Narrative is consistency.
 
GunshyFever said:
Bad examples, Fake Chainsaw Man is MHS+ because he deflected the same magnitude of "bang" that damaged Pochita. As well as dodging an off guard attack and a serious attack from the Gun Gauntlet. We've pretty much already discussed this and what we're going to do about it. Narrative is consistency.
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Doubt he dodged serious bangs when Yoru says this after those scenes. Implying she wasn’t serious beforehand.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
Doubt he dodged serious bangs when Yoru says this after those scenes. Implying she wasn’t serious beforehand.
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She clearly wasn’t serious in the other scenes, because she was watching from the sidelines, gloating to herself as Denji fought Fakesaw Man, studying what he’d do and trying to tempt or anger him mid fight. But that doesn’t deny the the consistency in damage when Yoru’s gun-gauntlet shot hits Fakesaw Man versus when it hits Pochita. From the scans, the effect looks nearly identical, if anything the hit on Fakesaw Man seems even more destructive. Either way, as I’ve said before, he reacts to Yoru’s ability several times with little to no effort, so even if she wasn’t fighting seriously, the attack’s power and speed was still absurdly high. Still, it’s obvious that Fakesaw Man is portrayed narratively as faster than the attack itself.
 
Hm. Can someone calc the AP and KE of Gun and Tank just exploding out of their containment? We see that Gun seemingly broke a part of a small mountain and tank blasted through reinforced doors.
Maybe speed too?
 
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