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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Ruby_R_Dracula
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I see
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Yeah but given our current scaling, Yoshida is more than 10x weaker than Quanxi's durability and you cant really hold that back. Seems like a pretty big gap for a nosebleed, he even bruised her face and made her spit up some blood.
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Tremble in FEAR!
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Fumiko's Midriff chomp (and also downing Asa/Yoru with a kick who got a papercut from Yoshida's sword, but that's less funny) upscales her physicals to 8-A outright.Yeah but given our current scaling, Yoshida is more than 10x weaker than Quanxi's durability and you cant really hold that back. Seems like a pretty big gap for a nosebleed, he even bruised her face and made her spit up some blood.
Im not saying he should scale fully to her, but a 10x gap seems exessive, sth like "At most 8-B+" seem a little more fair imo, even baseline 8-B+ would work
And making Yoshida stronger doesn't help because then Asa/Yoru's even tougher for barely being harmed by Yoshida with a sword, which just makes Quanxi even stronger for gut-checking Yoru with her size 9's.
Fox's size varies between summons (best shown when Reze got chomped), you can't use the Restaurant Chomp's size and apply it to when it killed Leech. Compared to the buildings in the actual scene you can see it's a bit smaller.Tremble in FEAR!
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Also, comparing the first two frames, it doesn't appear to be crossing the distance you measured?
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Not really though, the Fox that chomped Reze was summoned by a different person than Aki. Aki's Fox has been quite consistent in size, also the head in the restaurant scene isn't larger, the building that it chomped has 4 windows, while in the scene I used the building directly beside it has 8, it's about 4 windows in width just eyeballing wise. Though the background building appears to be inconsistent as 1 scene ago the building only has 4 windows (and is about the same size as the restaurant), I don't see how Fox's head appear to be any smaller than the restaurant one at all. The head was also about the same size in the manga, so because it's consistent enough, it should be fine.
It's not viable to calc the fox in the actual scene at all, so I avoided it. The only viable image being the far-view was ruined by the smokes, so that's that.
Weight calced should also be reasonable enough, Fox's head and neck is relative to a blue whale, which is quite reasonable enough already, I don't think there would be any large inconsistencies.
First two? No, the distance I measured was because the fox's head was shown to be connecting to the ground, both in manga and anime, so I assume that's where Fox came from, then estimate the angle of where it could be coming from, I chose the corner of the screen then assume the fox head starts from there, then appearing on the screen frame 1. That distance from the corner of the screen to the nose of Fox in frame 1 is the distance.
Maybe I should add the frame before the Fox got into the screen too
Edit: I added end 2, which seems more believable now.
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Excuse me if im missing sth obvious but im not seeing how downscaling Yoshida's physicals from 83.74 T to baseline 8-B+ (55.5 T) would affect the rest of the scaling chain. His sword would still be stronger than him at its original value and those who upscale from it (Yoru, Quanxi) would still upscale to 100 T or unquantifiably higher. He would be 2x weaker than them but still strong enough to believably bruised/draw blood from the likes of Quanxi with a kick, which makes more sense than the literal order of magnitude that we currently have between them
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Well then he isn't then, right? Cuz like you know that was only through Barem who can be biased.
Okay but like I was wondering, aren't Hybrids resistant to Pochita's conceptual EE or?
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When has Barem ever been biased? He may praise Chainsaw Man, but he only speaks facts. Everything he has stated up to this point in the story has happened.
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Also, for Yoru's reactions not scaling to her weaponification, it's through Yoru's soap stuff and all as you know and the contention to that is that the soap doesn’t have to be the same speed for every object, but for this, do you have reason to believe they are not? Because Yoru states that her apartment is a weapon and she should be able to manipulate it at similar speeds unless evidence proving otherwise
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There is reason to believe Pochita is and reason to believe Pochita is not.
The "Hybrid" Devil (false name, their original name is gone) was eaten by Pochita, erasing the concept of "Hybrids". Despite this, the existence of "Hybrids" was not erased. Of all the names Pochita has eaten, they are the sole exception.
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Shouldn't Primals operate under the same logic because Primals are transcendent to everything other devils have which includes their conceptual EE resistance?
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Because blades make way more than a 2x difference in damage; it's not a number issue, it's a logic issue.
Regardless of the values, Asa/Yoru's physicals will always be way higher than Yoshida's given the story itself, and Quanxi's physicals would scale to be above that. It doesn't matter what the actual calculations are, the nosebleed will never make sense.
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Aging literally spent its entire arc wanting to get erased by Chainsaw Man. Not being deleted is a Hybrid unique thing, which Makima stated to Pochita in verbatim. Please Read The Manga. Or in the fine words of Finepoint;
"Hey, Aaaaa11112222, I've noticed you asking a lot of very basic questions about Chainsaw Man in the general discussion thread. While I respect your passion for learning about the series, the frequency of these questions might distract from the other, more complicated discussion happening there. If you're interested in scaling the series, it would probably be best to watch the show and/or read the manga first so you can be properly armed with a basis of knowledge for it. This would make it a lot on easier on us, since it can be a little tiresome having to explain it all to you second-hand.
If you don't know how to access the series, let me know, and I might be able to help you find it."
It's free to read on Mangaplus, and also there's loads of unofficial sites. This is not a hard to access series.
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I did read CSM, it's just that I have really, really poor reading comprehension so I was pretty much confused the entire time.
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...Yeah, that tracks.
Here's the TVTropes Page; great for spoon feeding information. Some stuff might be wrong, but as a whole it's generally pretty accurate.
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I genuinely forgot you could do this,
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Brutal
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Straight Harem vs Lesbian Harem -Tengen Uzui vs Quanxi (KnY vs CSM) 0-0-0 (POSTPONED)
I cannot think of any other matchup so have this Rules -Quanxi is not Transformed -Tengen is had his likely Class 50 -Speed is Equalized -Other than those three, SBA Quanxi: Upscales to 100 Tons of TNT Weapons Scale to 443.66 Tons of TNT Upscales from 95.20 Metric Tons Tengen Uzui: Scales to...
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I think that's more due to lacking the superior senses of devils. The blind and the fools rushing where Angels fear to tread and all that.
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Fair enough I guess, although I think we're gonna have to find something else for Angel to scale above by default to replace the manga roof chomp calc, since there's no way he or Aki's physically Building level, otherwise Typhoon's winds would've been shredding city blocks. (Watch as the Reze Movie does this.)Not really though, the Fox that chomped Reze was summoned by a different person than Aki. Aki's Fox has been quite consistent in size, also the head in the restaurant scene isn't larger, the building that it chomped has 4 windows, while in the scene I used the building directly beside it has 8, it's about 4 windows in width just eyeballing wise. Though the background building appears to be inconsistent as 1 scene ago the building only has 4 windows (and is about the same size as the restaurant), I don't see how Fox's head appear to be any smaller than the restaurant one at all. The head was also about the same size in the manga, so because it's consistent enough, it should be fine.
It's not viable to calc the fox in the actual scene at all, so I avoided it. The only viable image being the far-view was ruined by the smokes, so that's that.
Weight calced should also be reasonable enough, Fox's head and neck is relative to a blue whale, which is quite reasonable enough already, I don't think there would be any large inconsistencies.
First two? No, the distance I measured was because the fox's head was shown to be connecting to the ground, both in manga and anime, so I assume that's where Fox came from, then estimate the angle of where it could be coming from, I chose the corner of the screen then assume the fox head starts from there, then appearing on the screen frame 1. That distance from the corner of the screen to the nose of Fox in frame 1 is the distance.
Maybe I should add the frame before the Fox got into the screen too
Edit: I added end 2, which seems more believable now.
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If anime's game, then Leech has a decent floor-smash or two that can work as a default devil-tier calc. (Especially since it's confirmed no gun flesh was present at the scene, meaning there was likely no other variables involved for her or Bat's strength.)
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I would first start by creating a profile for the main character from that verse. (because creating a verse page that doesn't link to a single character might lead to a mod deleting it.)
Then i would make the verse page using a more popular verse's page as reference, continued by indexing other main characters and characters important to the scaling (even a random single apparition enemy can be important for scaling if it's the one with feats/statements).
Then i would make the verse page using a more popular verse's page as reference, continued by indexing other main characters and characters important to the scaling (even a random single apparition enemy can be important for scaling if it's the one with feats/statements).
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She was in base so she didnt have the necessary senses to feel the Darkness devil like the fiends and devils
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Damn, looks like matches with KNY is also pretty hard cuz apparently, everyone and their mother can cause internal bleeding and lacerations with their aura (despite only seeing it with a few characters) while all the demons have high-mid regen and are borderline unkillableStraight Harem vs Lesbian Harem -Tengen Uzui vs Quanxi (KnY vs CSM) 0-0-0 (POSTPONED)
I cannot think of any other matchup so have this Rules -Quanxi is not Transformed -Tengen is had his likely Class 50 -Speed is Equalized -Other than those three, SBA Quanxi: Upscales to 100 Tons of TNT Weapons Scale to 443.66 Tons of TNT Upscales from 95.20 Metric Tons Tengen Uzui: Scales to...vsbattles.com
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Evaluated btw, that means it's time for me to also take care of the low tier crisis.
Watch Typhoon shredding city blocks and solves the crisis for Angel
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Watch Typhoon shredding city blocks and solves the crisis for Angel
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So long as we don't know what Kobeni's contract is, that's not possible. (Watch as the Anime reveals it's special knives from the Knife Devil, and the same contract as Kishibe's)
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also they should really add scans, cuz I searched every character with that ability and no one has a scan on those
besides gyutaro who seems to just have a scan on the paralysis(?) not the internal bleed and stuff
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And the only one i can think off who cause any kind of bleeding or lacerations is Muzan who's literally the current top 1 of the verse in term of aura
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It's finally done.
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Savior for low tier crisis: Leech Devil
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neat
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I can't believe I forgot to account for the flesh...
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Ruby_R_Dracula
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neato
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speaking of muzan
I heard that the KnY verse is gonna get some layers in their Fear Haxs which would likely include muzan
which makes me wonder
would that now give him a win-con against Makima (if the KnY fear hax layers come)
cuz the previous times I mentioned that matchup, uh I forgot who said this but they said that muzan doesn't really have a win-con
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Doesn't the Darkness Devil literally do the same thing?
https://media.**********.net/attachments/1002661842524573837/1368603534722994317/01.jpg?ex=6818d2de&is=6817815e&hm=1ae41da7e9c05cc0e0114a136e258b692e01a85567b147c8820f21f0f288dba2&=&format=webp&width=608&height=960
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yeah, but we were talking about whether Quanxi can Resist DD's Fear manipulation
thus if yes then a minor crt
which in turn makes the tengen Uzui vs Quanxi matchup that I made not a stomp
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