Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

uh resharing this here again, cuz I ain't letting this become a Dead thread before its finish.

-Enmu vs The Eternity Devil- (Demon Slayer vs Chainsaw Man) (1-3-1)

Dang a Eternity Devil Matchup. Speed is Equalized Eternity Devil is in Part 1 Key Battle take place on the Infinity Train, but Eternity also turns the place into it's stomach. - Stats Enmu: AP: Scales to 0.358 Tons of TNT LS: Scales to 16.33 Tons Eternity Devil: AP: Downscales to 250...

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[ElajRuengies]

Nah, so much of the verse is just 1.05x time away from the sweet embrace of Class K. Also, on that topic, what's the limit for upscaling again, iirc 1.1-1.2x is fair right. If so the High 8-C+ with enhanced attacks like Reze could potentially upscale to 8-B with stronger explosions (cant believe theres no instances of her destroying Public Safety suits)

Problem is Bat's Calc (which Reze scales to) uses the old V.Frag of reinforced concrete; the new V. Frag is 2/3rds to 1/3rd that, taking it out of upscale range. Didn't make a recalc because 90% of AP calcs being made by the same guy looks bad for a Verse.

If its not too much trouble can you send me the panel, im having trouble spotting him

Just came back from a final and got another one coming up in 30 minutes. No time to look- @GunshyFever?

 

[GunshyFever]

Just came back from a final and got another one coming up in 30 minutes. No time to look- @GunshyFever?

All the best on your finals.

Here are the panels:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1002661842524573837/1367574744693735534/10.jpg?ex=681514bb&is=6813c33b&hm=c04b79cb770f06b2aa979340d8e94ff470e2c468cb501685932e363350414c04&https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1002661842524573837/1367575167752081545/Screenshot_20250501_135521_Discord.jpg?ex=68151520&is=6813c3a0&hm=674c5885ca884b607c9143556adbc685f633eb630d81eeb830052de8b13a699a&

 

[ElajRuengies]

All the best on your finals.

Here are the panels:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1002661842524573837/1367574744693735534/10.jpg?ex=681514bb&is=6813c33b&hm=c04b79cb770f06b2aa979340d8e94ff470e2c468cb501685932e363350414c04&https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1002661842524573837/1367575167752081545/Screenshot_20250501_135521_Discord.jpg?ex=68151520&is=6813c3a0&hm=674c5885ca884b607c9143556adbc685f633eb630d81eeb830052de8b13a699a&

Where's Goku?

 

[Bruh]

Problem is Bat's Calc (which Reze scales to) uses the old V.Frag of reinforced concrete; the new V. Frag is 2/3rds to 1/3rd that, taking it out of upscale range. Didn't make a recalc because 90% of AP calcs being made by the same guy looks bad for a Verse.

The 9.14 tons value thats currently being used is outdated ?

All the best on your finals.

Here are the panels:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1002661842524573837/1367574744693735534/10.jpg?ex=681514bb&is=6813c33b&hm=c04b79cb770f06b2aa979340d8e94ff470e2c468cb501685932e363350414c04&https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1002661842524573837/1367575167752081545/Screenshot_20250501_135521_Discord.jpg?ex=68151520&is=6813c3a0&hm=674c5885ca884b607c9143556adbc685f633eb630d81eeb830052de8b13a699a&

Hm, most of the suit and especially the arm that got blown off is out of frame so there still could be a possibility of Reze badly damaging it. But ill concede if this is a debate that has been brought up and solved before, maybe when the movie come out well see the damage clearer

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Hm, most of the suit and especially the arm that got blown off is out of frame so there still could be a possibility of Reze badly damaging it. But ill concede if this is a debate that has been brought up and solved before, maybe when the movie come out well see the damage clearer

The movie gonna upscale everyone (but we'll have to wait quite a while for it to release outside of the theatre)

 

[Bruh]

The movie gonna upscale everyone (but we'll have to wait quite a while for it to release outside of the theatre)

Most of MHA low to mid tier got to where they are thanks to the anime so you could never know

 

[ElajRuengies]

The 9.14 tons value thats currently being used is outdated ?

Yep, it uses 61.2 joules/cm3, and the new value's 26 - 41.4 joules/cm3. Still High 8-C, but lower.

Hm, most of the suit and especially the arm that got blown off is out of frame so there still could be a possibility of Reze badly damaging it. But ill concede if this is a debate that has been brought up and solved before, maybe when the movie come out well see the damage clearer

The movie gonna upscale everyone (but we'll have to wait quite a while for it to release outside of the theatre)

Really hope there's a post-credits scene hinting at Season 2, like how the last scene of Season 1 featured Reze.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Most of MHA low to mid tier got to where they are thanks to the anime so you could never know

The relativistic speed are literally thanks to the anime

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

The movie gonna upscale everyone (but we'll have to wait quite a while for it to release outside of the theatre)

peak

pls reze movie, give me atleast hypersonic and maybe tier higher than building part 1 denji

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

peak

pls reze movie, give me atleast hypersonic and maybe tier higher than building part 1 denji

We see Reze blowing up tallass buildings, it's already much crazier than in the manga (I'm expecting a Suk vs Maho level of upgrade). But I'm more interested in how much bigger Typhoon would be, seeing from the trailer it could get about 5 times bigger at least.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

(I'm expecting a Suk vs Maho level of upgrade).

huh

 

[Bruh]

(I'm expecting a Suk vs Maho level of upgrade).

Their scaling didnt really go up from the anime tho

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Their scaling didnt really go up from the anime tho

I'm talking about fight-wise (wankers do love to use the cloud splitting feat though). The whole Suk vs Maho fight in the manga was so underwhelming.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

1.) The Gun Goddess is not the Gun Devil.
2.) I didn't bring up the assumed Primals >>> Everything Else, because I already f*cking mentioned that before and assumed you knew how to read.

My mistake. I won't make it again.

Primals have crazy regeneration, something not being able to kill it isn't completely indicative of power.

I dont really see how Pochita's performance attacks my point on the Primals upscaling from everything else in the verse, you even said it yourself that Gun Goddess wrecking Pochita doesn't change the fact Primals >>> everything else in the verse.

Primals have crazy regeneration, something not being able to kill it isn't completely indicative of power.

Remember when I said the only way to beat a devil is by conceptual hax or something, otherwise even if you outscale immensely you'll still never win against them so long they don't have conceptual erasure? Is it the case with Primals only, and they aren't bound by the whole "die = new body in hell" stuff? Is that the crazy regeneration in mind?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I do wonder, has anyone ever calculated the anime versions of a few of the feats in the verse, like the gun devil's and stuff

 

[DrGreyman]

well the gun devil hasnt shown up yet
but i'd assume most of the feats are roughly the same, it doesn't deviate from the manga that much

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

well the gun devil hasnt shown up yet

I was talking about this scene 0:14

which I feel like could potentially get higher than the same feat we have listed in the supportive calcs as in the anime, the video is shown slowly panning to the right (?? I'm too dumb to know the left and rights)
while showing more of the destruction caused by the gun devil

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I was talking about this scene 0:14

which I feel like could potentially get higher than the same feat we have listed in the supportive calcs as in the anime, the video is shown slowly panning to the right (?? I'm too dumb to know the left and rights)
while showing more of the destruction caused by the gun devil

Tbh taken the fact that Gun Devil traveled the world in 5 minutes, and given it's action in 20% form, it will NEVER stop unless there is a major target, since it has auto target after all, no reason to stop. So the supportive calc better take whatever speed calced using the 5 minute thing, then calc the length of the destroyed part of the city and then use GD speed to calc the timeframe, then the AP (cause last time it was small building level or something), I expect something quite high from that.

Calc stacking or not, I'm just curious on how high it could get.

 

[Bruh]

Has anyone ever use KE for the Fox Devil summon, that thing's head seems pretty huge yet always appeared extremely fast

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Has anyone ever use KE for the Fox Devil summon, that thing's head seems pretty huge yet always appeared extremely fast

Dunno how fast it actually is, so calc stacking (I just realized it's not), or just lower result than expected tbh (or maybe not?). You can use superhuman speed for the head.

I just realized that's quite dumb of me. No, I don't think anyone has, would be interesting though

 

[Bruh]

Dunno how fast it actually is, so calc stacking, or just lower result than expected tbh (or maybe not?). You can use superhuman speed for the head.

I couldnt do any calculation even if you put a gun to my head so i am merely putting out suggestion. As for the time frame, Superhuman speed seems fair, or maybe 1s as the feat took 1 panel in the manga or use the timeframe given in the anime, whichever the highest

 

[Zabazab]

Gun Goddess wrecking Pochita doesn't change the fact Primals >>> everything else in the verse.

Gun Goddess is a weapon, and we know War's weapons already have the potential to match or surpass a primal fear (Chainsaw Man weapon vs Death Devil). Whether Gun Goddess is stronger than Aging is unknown hence the possibly rating.

Remember when I said the only way to beat a devil is by conceptual hax or something, otherwise even if you outscale immensely you'll still never win against them so long they don't have conceptual erasure? Is it the case with Primals only, and they aren't bound by the whole "die = new body in hell" stuff? Is that the crazy regeneration in mind?

Devils reincarnating doesn't mean they cannot be defeated, killed, etc. That new devil is a new devil. They aren't the same individual, the previous incarnation is dead.

Primal Fear Devils have a unique level of immortality that requires no blood, and it means none other than Falling Devil (killed by Death Devil) have ever experienced death.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I couldnt do any calculation even if you put a gun to my head so i am merely putting out suggestion. As for the time frame, Superhuman speed seems fair, or maybe 1s as the feat took 1 panel in the manga or use the timeframe given in the anime, whichever the highest

I just realized we have no problem using supersonic+ (man, why did I even think that it's calc stacking). Anyways, if no one has done it, I gotta try.

 

[Bruh]

I just realized we have no problem using supersonic+ (man, why did I even think that it's calc stacking). Anyways, if no one has done it, I gotta try.

Where does supersonic+ comes from for the Fox Devil that isnt calc stacking ?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Where does supersonic+ comes from for the Fox Devil that isnt calc stacking ?

Cause iirc that's not how calc stacking work, simple as that, I'm just having a stroke that's all. Anyways I just realized that the speed CRT might cause some trouble with the calc since Fox will be Supersonic instead.

 

[Zabazab]

I just realized we have no problem using supersonic+ (man, why did I even think that it's calc stacking). Anyways, if no one has done it, I gotta try.

Fox is not canonically mach 2.5, what? It has no canon speed, you'd have to use the speed it shows in the scene itself in the anime.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Fox is not canonically mach 2.5, what? It has no canon speed, you'd have to use the speed it shows in the scene itself in the anime.

We're just calcing KE though? Shouldn't violate Calc stack right?

Ah... Oh dang it, I see.

 

[Bruh]

We're just calcing KE though? Shouldn't violate Calc stack right?

Ah... Oh dang it, I see.

Yeah...I also just took a look at the Calc Stacking page. Without any statement, i think the 3 timeframes i suggest are probably more fair to use, at most you could possibly argue for Subsonic but i think even that's hard.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Yeah...I also just took a look at the Calc Stacking page. Without any statement, i think the 3 timeframes i suggest are probably more fair to use, at most you could possibly argue for Subsonic but i think even that's hard.

There is another way. Fox has a solid speed showcase in the anime, we just gotta use that one

 

[Bruh]

There is another way. Fox has a solid speed showcase in the anime, we just gotta use that one

Goodspeed soldier

 

[ElajRuengies]

I dont really see how Pochita's performance attacks my point on the Primals upscaling from everything else in the verse, you even said it yourself that Gun Goddess wrecking Pochita doesn't change the fact Primals >>> everything else in the verse.

I specifically said that on the condition that Pochita was not Primal Level.

If Pochita is Primal Level, then Primals aren't going to scale to something that can turn them into a quadruple amputee in one hit.

Remember when I said the only way to beat a devil is by conceptual hax or something, otherwise even if you outscale immensely you'll still never win against them so long they don't have conceptual erasure? Is it the case with Primals only, and they aren't bound by the whole "die = new body in hell" stuff? Is that the crazy regeneration in mind?

You were immediately told that it's Abstract Existence Type 2.

Abstract Existence Type 2

And devils can still die. They just reincarnate afterwards. Primals are not any different, as Fauxmi/Death specifically mentioned that even if she somehow could die, another Death would reincarnate.

When I say they have crazy regeneration, I'm talking about the literal insane regenerative abilities they've showcased on multiple occasions.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Goodspeed soldier

Dang, Fox got between Mach 0.242742 to Mach 1.089143 (depends on how you interpret it, the first one seems more accurate but I'm not sure). This results to a slightly higher KE being around 315 megajoules / 75kg of TNT (allat for a 50% increase) or 6.35 GJ / 1.5 tons of TNT (finally, 8-C+ fox's head!). And this is a measurement made just based on Fox's head size, which was measured in an angle so it could be even higher.

Anyways, that's quite interesting.

 

[Bruh]

Dang, Fox got between Mach 0.242742 to Mach 1.089143 (depends on how you interpret it, the first one seems more accurate but I'm not sure). This results to a slightly higher KE being around 315 megajoules / 75kg of TNT (allat for a 50% increase) or 6.35 GJ / 1.5 tons of TNT (finally, 8-C+ fox's head!). And this is a measurement made just based on Fox's head size, which was measured in an angle so it could be even higher.

Anyways, that's quite interesting.

Are you planning on making this a blog

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Are you planning on making this a blog

Maybe, if I feel like it. I could just pass the measurements to someone better to do this again cause I feel like I haven't used all of it's potential just yet.

 

[CowHeadGod]

After death battle came dark times

...and it also gave this verse a complete rebirth on this wiki!

like funnily enough, if it wasn't for Gojo vs Makima, I honestly don't know what the verse would look like today.

Makima's profile was only really reworked since i made a doc of scans from when i worked on G1's Makima vs Gojo blog and decided there's other places it could be used; thus kickstarting a verse-wide rework.

long gone are the days of bs like whatever tf type 3 martial arts was on quanxi's profile

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I remember 8-A Makima or was it Low 7-C

 

[Bruh]

How did we treat Yoshida giving Quanxi a nosebleed?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

so uh, why did my revisions on denji's pfp get reverted
I was just removing his matchups cuz those were when Denji was still High 8-C

 

[GunshyFever]

long gone are the days of bs like whatever type 3 martial arts was on quanxi's profile

I remember snuffing out the entire wiki and going through the history of the martial arts page, and I still could not figure out wth "type 3 martial arts" was.

I remember 8-A Makima or was it Low 7-C

She was like, High 8-C with Low 7-C telekinesis. Good times back when the verse was at rock bottom and we considered Darkness slower than the Gun (note that he transcended the Gun in AP, but was 300x slower). That was also when the verse lived off 4 AP calcs and like 2 speed calcs, including that one scuffed Hypersonic Quanxi travel speed calc.

How did we treat Yoshida giving Quanxi a nosebleed?

Quanxi was holding back and nosebleeds are pretty easy to give realistically