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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Idk sorry but i feel like both the high-ball and low-ball don't work.
Planet level is absurd, we never saw it was planet level. Best argument is that the world simulates earth's gravity and weather but those are just environmental factors re-created. Otherwise anyone who can create a pocket dimension could be planet level (Solar System Dagon?? His Beach DE has a sun). I only really see that when we get actual black-on-white confirmation that its an endless space with true infinite or at least planetary dimensions (like Dorothy in Black Clover, and even she doesn't have that on her profile). He also doesn't need anywhere close to that space, just a small forest's worth of humans. What's the point of the other 99% of the dimension?
Low-ball is even worse. 6 million years to create the world, really?
Just some of my problems with that are;
- Aging wants to see what happens to humans who are older than 1-2 millennia. He hasn't seen that yet (t. image below) hence its confirmed the first contracted human is not much older than 3k years. Otherwise Aging would've witnessed said "Unseen Concepts". Or witnessed that there are actually no further new concepts with time.
- Prior issue can be fixed by assuming Aging only allows or accepts contracts that are intellectual enough to actually reach a culmination of thought. Hence nobody qualified until ~3k years ago, when the world was already 99.66% complete. The problem with that obvious though: the calc assumes Aging's had this world planned out from 6 million years ago. I don't think Aging can see millions of years into the future to predict he would develop an intellectual interest in Post-Enlightenment humans and start preparing/building his world when humans were still dirt-eating cave-dwellers.
- The proper method to get into the world (without Aging personally descending from Hell to bang you into it) is via a verbal contract in front of a mirror, which clearly necessitates a strong fear of old age. And mirrors existing. And verbal language. These are fundamental principles baked into this world that's supposedly 6m years old.
- (Nitpick) Math assumes Aging's power is linear from birth-to-present across 6 million years and unaffected by Enlightenment, longer lifespans, more humans, etc.
- (Nitpick 2) The non-Primal Eternity can make a infinitely-looped dimension in a few seconds. Its unimaginable to think Aging would take 6m years for his dimension.
So tl;dr i think its pretty reasonable to assume Aging created a smaller than planetary world, but faster than 6 million years. For reasons above.
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The best interpretation for this is to just assume he instantly created it (just like Eternity did) but only for the mountains and such that we've seen, maybe add a possibly higher for it being stated as a world, humans in there have lived for how many thousand of years it is (we know that one can live for 82 years without turning into a tree, at most 1000), and in those years it would make sense for them to try and travel as far as possible to seek for a way out, but the furthest we've heard is "deeper in" and no mentioning of a flat-earth type border. If the world is indeed so small, then the way to leave the world wouldn't be "turning into a tree" but rather they'll cope that falling into the void is the solution instead, unless there is a 1000km tall wall of some sort that's stopping them from escaping, but again no mentioning of that. I'm simply saying that just assuming that Aging's world is so small doesn't make much sense from all the info we've got, even the Cicada dude would have more than enough time to try finding the end of the map before going insane if Aging's world is indeed that small. And don't forget that humans in there doesn't even experience fatigue so as long as their mental health allow them to, they could just run forever.
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Idk sorry but i feel like both the high-ball and low-ball don't work.
Planet level is absurd, we never saw it was planet level. Best argument is that the world simulates earth's gravity and weather but those are just environmental factors re-created. Otherwise anyone who can create a pocket dimension could be planet level (Solar System Dagon?? His Beach DE has a sun). I only really see that when we get actual black-on-white confirmation that its an endless space with true infinite or at least planetary dimensions (like Dorothy in Black Clover, and even she doesn't have that on her profile). He also doesn't need anywhere close to that space, just a small forest's worth of humans. What's the point of the other 99% of the dimension?
Low-ball is even worse. 6 million years to create the world, really?
Just some of my problems with that are;
- Aging wants to see what happens to humans who are older than 1-2 millennia. He hasn't seen that yet (t. image below) hence its confirmed the first contracted human is not much older than 3k years. Otherwise Aging would've witnessed said "Unseen Concepts". Or witnessed that there are actually no further new concepts with time.
- Prior issue can be fixed by assuming Aging only allows or accepts contracts that are intellectual enough to actually reach a culmination of thought. Hence nobody qualified until ~3k years ago, when the world was already 99.66% complete. The problem with that obvious though: the calc assumes Aging's had this world planned out from 6 million years ago. I don't think Aging can see millions of years into the future to predict he would develop an intellectual interest in Post-Enlightenment humans and start preparing/building his world when humans were still dirt-eating cave-dwellers.
- The proper method to get into the world (without Aging personally descending from Hell to bang you into it) is via a verbal contract in front of a mirror, which clearly necessitates a strong fear of old age. And mirrors existing. And verbal language. These are fundamental principles baked into this world that's supposedly 6m years old.
- (Nitpick) Math assumes Aging's power is linear from birth-to-present across 6 million years and unaffected by Enlightenment, longer lifespans, more humans, etc.
- (Nitpick 2) The non-Primal Eternity can make a infinitely-looped dimension in a few seconds. Its unimaginable to think Aging would take 6m years for his dimension.
So tl;dr i think its pretty reasonable to assume Aging created a smaller than planetary world, but faster than 6 million years. For reasons above.
How does he simulate gravity tho? This dimension is completely disconnected from the real world. Its not like a domain where its in a specific place in the real world and so it makes sense for it to just have that gravity. I dunno much about these kinds of feats tho.
I do agree I overdid the timeframe.
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Infinite possibilities from a simple force wall to making it a looping space like eternity or just simply preventing suicide/escape via jumping off said void (Aging Devil victim stated hes tried suicide many times and found he couldn't die). Most importantly though (and youre likely aware of this but ill say it anyway) the burden of proof is on you its not like i have to sit here and prove its not planet level, that is not a standard assumption for this verse. And there is simply no proof of that no matter how much one argues.
I dont know, magic i guess? For that matter we've seen hell has gravity as well and breathable air so maybe that just comes pre-built with any pocket dimension in CSM verse.
No, we're shown multiple times that the way Aging takes contracts is via mirrors. Contract to attack pochita, contract to let himself be erased and contract to get into the ageless world all required action in front of a mirror. Only exception is if hes right in front of you which needless to say wont be how 99.9% of people got into that world.
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Hell has grass, and a form of light source, and is big as hell (pun intended). Eternity's dimension is wacky, but we know that it is partially connected to the real world as water still runs so that's that. Aging is different, it literally created a whole different world, it would be similar to Hell in this case.
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9-C lol
Zabazab
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Death Devil sandbox profile. Will update as chapters drop. Editing sandboxes without permission is RUDE so just tell me if you think it looks like dogshit. Main question-mark is her stats, she's done a lot of jobbing.
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If I'm being honest, the feat might just be uncalcable due to the amount of uncertainties.
Yeah... You're not wrong here. While I like how the output matches up with what's shown, and think the way it was gotten is hilarious, anything can be proven with a false premise (or two).Idk sorry but i feel like both the high-ball and low-ball don't work.
Planet level is absurd, we never saw it was planet level. Best argument is that the world simulates earth's gravity and weather but those are just environmental factors re-created. Otherwise anyone who can create a pocket dimension could be planet level (Solar System Dagon?? His Beach DE has a sun). I only really see that when we get actual black-on-white confirmation that its an endless space with true infinite or at least planetary dimensions (like Dorothy in Black Clover, and even she doesn't have that on her profile). He also doesn't need anywhere close to that space, just a small forest's worth of humans. What's the point of the other 99% of the dimension?
Low-ball is even worse. 6 million years to create the world, really?
Just some of my problems with that are;
- Aging wants to see what happens to humans who are older than 1-2 millennia. He hasn't seen that yet (t. image below) hence its confirmed the first contracted human is not much older than 3k years. Otherwise Aging would've witnessed said "Unseen Concepts". Or witnessed that there are actually no further new concepts with time.
- Prior issue can be fixed by assuming Aging only allows or accepts contracts that are intellectual enough to actually reach a culmination of thought. Hence nobody qualified until ~3k years ago, when the world was already 99.66% complete. The problem with that obvious though: the calc assumes Aging's had this world planned out from 6 million years ago. I don't think Aging can see millions of years into the future to predict he would develop an intellectual interest in Post-Enlightenment humans and start preparing/building his world when humans were still dirt-eating cave-dwellers.
- The proper method to get into the world (without Aging personally descending from Hell to bang you into it) is via a verbal contract in front of a mirror, which clearly necessitates a strong fear of old age. And mirrors existing. And verbal language. These are fundamental principles baked into this world that's supposedly 6m years old.
- (Nitpick) Math assumes Aging's power is linear from birth-to-present across 6 million years and unaffected by Enlightenment, longer lifespans, more humans, etc.
- (Nitpick 2) The non-Primal Eternity can make a infinitely-looped dimension in a few seconds. Its unimaginable to think Aging would take 6m years for his dimension.
So tl;dr i think its pretty reasonable to assume Aging created a smaller than planetary world, but faster than 6 million years. For reasons above.
If I'm being honest, the feat might just be uncalcable due to the amount of uncertainties.
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Theres mountain and sub relativistic scaling now? Or is that a placeholder?
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Both from Gun Goddess. Calcs are linked.
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Oh yeah i calced that. I disagree with it tho cause the actual destruction is inconsistent. KE rules and stuff.
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Well then you should've brought that up in the two and a half months before the Mega CRT was passed. General consensus here was that since 99.9% of the destruction would've been offscreen, it doesn't actually violate KE rules.
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Wow! An intercontinental massive bullet crossing half the planet yielding mountain level results? Shocking!
If we used the island level calc, I could probably hear you out on the inconsistencies. But let's not be rash here, after all we had alot of time to discuss this.
If we used the island level calc, I could probably hear you out on the inconsistencies. But let's not be rash here, after all we had alot of time to discuss this.
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FINALLY
MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED
And now i'm imagining the page edited with hank's face stretched out flying across the ocean"There's no way this KE is legit."
Bullet made out of finger:
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Guess what? I can actually use the fact that water splits (meaning energy spent), both times we see the bullet fired, there will always be a panel showing water splitting. And since the bullet was shown to hitting the buildings not too high up (about 10m or so, consistent from the panel showing the big hole to the 2 panels showing the water splitting which I also measured, the bullet was hovering 10m above water level), we can say that it would be at least consistently flying 10 meters above sea level.
Using water splitting speed of just about the speed of sound in
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The Asa sandbox is here
Acertainbcplayer/sandbox
vsbattles.fandom.com
Also Eternity and Fox could come back to the main page (Wait, Fox's LS feat ain't evaluated yet)
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For a few lucky cases like the Hybrids and Asa, yeah, otherwise we gotta finagle through the absolutely ungodly clutter that is this Verse's reference-itis in order to change the numbers on the notes for the rest of the profiles.
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Whoops (but necessary imo)
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The Aging Devil's profile is finally up. (I did not place any categories, so it would be nice if someone could cover that more me)
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Blows you up.
Having the note about lotus is incredibly funny. I will eventually strip 90% of the periods from CSM pages (it's not in line with formatting standards).
Time to throw Aging Devil at some goober in a vs match. I nominate An Entire Shonen Verse.
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It's a darn shame Santa never said what Darkness tasted like, otherwise we could complete the triple with "Tastes like Lotus Root" and "Tastes like corndogs, from France."
DrGreyman
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probably tastes like ash lol
or ink
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We all know that mf tastes like black licorice
DrGreyman
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There needs to be some tourney or smth
it's been ages since one that wasn't just about OCs from the other wiki
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Peak alexander moment
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Without even needing his eyes, or inner ears
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Went back through the Gun Devil's profile and remembered reading Beam say how Bomb was "Gun's Partner," and now I wish I could go back in time to see the concept fan-art people had of the Gun Devil.
Like, I wonder how many readers thought Gun was gonna be a typical, mostly humanoid, long-term planning, Anime Twink Big Bad
who was gonna have cool dialogue with Reze after seeing that line, because I know I did.
Like, I wonder how many readers thought Gun was gonna be a typical, mostly humanoid, long-term planning, Anime Twink Big Bad
who was gonna have cool dialogue with Reze after seeing that line, because I know I did.
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