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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

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GunshyFever said:
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The Madness Manip should be Type 2, since she does it via Mind Manip.

Rather than "Types 1 & 3" it should be "Type 1 — Type 2" since they are not different types of the same ability, but a type of seperate abilities.

Her ability to control people (sushi waiter) should be mentioned under her Mind Manip too.

Her intelligence rating is explicitly Omniscient, so it should be that. Omniscience should also be in her P&A.

Her ability is one of the few with a proper name in CSM, it's called "All-Out Halloween".
 
Zabazab said:
The Madness Manip should be Type 2, since she does it via Mind Manip.

Rather than "Types 1 & 3" it should be "Type 1 — Type 2" since they are not different types of the same ability, but a type of seperate abilities.

Her ability to control people (sushi waiter) should be mentioned under her Mind Manip too.

Her intelligence rating is explicitly Omniscient, so it should be that. Omniscience should also be in her P&A.

Her ability is one of the few with a proper name in CSM, it's called "All-Out Halloween".
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GunshyFever said:
How so?
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Simply defeat two arguments:
  1. The destruction displayed by the Gun Devil is indicative that KE-based KE is not reliable.
  2. This feat is an outlier.
I consider the former far easier to argue against. The latter isn't an insurmountable wall either.
 
Zabazab said:
Simply defeat two arguments:
  1. The destruction displayed by the Gun Devil is indicative that KE-based KE is not reliable.
  2. This feat is an outlier.
I consider the former far easier to argue against. The latter isn't an insurmountable wall either.
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I'm pretty sure only the first argument is the problem, as I've seen verses with Town level calculations jump to Island level, so I don't see the feat itself being an outlier. But honestly, I'm up for arguing for it, so I'll probably create a CRT or something the week after next week.
 
GunshyFever said:
I'm pretty sure only the first argument is the problem, as I've seen verses with Town level calculations jump to Island level, so I don't see the feat itself being an outlier. But honestly, I'm up for arguing for it, so I'll probably create a CRT or something the week after next week.
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A calc group discussion is also a possibility, if you want to specifically discuss the validity of the calculation I suppose.
 
Zabazab said:
Simply defeat two arguments:
  1. The destruction displayed by the Gun Devil is indicative that KE-based KE is not reliable.
  2. This feat is an outlier.
I consider the former far easier to argue against. The latter isn't an insurmountable wall either.
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Can't really be an outlier given the Gun Devils kind of depicted as by far the strongest known devil in the series so far outside the Primals/Horseman and Pochita lmao

Like no one else scales even close to 100% Gun Devil
 
I found this info on Makimas intelligence on a YouTube community post. It was very well done, so I want to share it with yall. It makes me wonder if it would warrant an at least a Genius rating & possibly Extraordinary Genius? .

(The "screenshots" they're talking about is just Makima in chapter 82 btw)
• Divergent thinking - Makima considered ways to destroy Denji’s contract with Pochita and came to a non-standard solution to this problem (screenshots 1 and 2)
• Emotional understanding - Makima, already at the stage of forming her strategy, was already aware of Denji’s personality, she understood his psychological resistance to stress and other similar situations designed to cause a person emotional pain. She understood in what aspects Denji would be more malleable in developing the necessary emotions and feelings (screenshot 2, 3 and 4)
• Emotional manipulation - Makima's actions directly followed a specific goal - to develop emotional satisfaction and affection in Denji. She gave him everything he needed to make this happen, only to take it away at the right moment and Denji received a severe emotional blow, after which he would not be able to bounce back (screenshots 2, 3 and 4)
• Indirect manipulation - Makima used an indirect method of influencing Denji’s emotional state, giving him the necessary incentives for his own formation of the necessary feelings and emotions. This category also covers further actions in which Makima deprives Denji of everything he has (screenshots 2, 3 and 4)
• Direct manipulation - Makima directly threatens Denji that any of his attempts to make his life normal from now on will be stopped by Makima herself, thereby depriving Denji of the opportunity to return to his stable state (screenshot 4)

Breaking Contract Strategy:
1. We have a specific goal - to break Denji’s contract with Pochita, in which the condition is Denji’s normal life (screenshots 1 and 2)
2. Determine the best approach to turning Denji’s normal life into a hopeless one, given that the victim has a high level of emotional stability (screenshot 3):
2.1. Weakening emotional defenses in the form of providing elements for the gradual cultivation of attachment and pleasure from the current state:
2.1.1. We give Denji work, money and food, that is, exactly what he had problems with since childhood.
2.1.2. We let Denji make friends with Aki so that he becomes his best friend.
2.1.3. We let Denji get closer to Power so that she becomes a replacement for his family.
2.2. After Denji develops an attachment to all of the above, we gradually but quickly deprive him of all this.
3. Let's move on to the implementation of the above actions.

Categories of strategy that can be noted here:

• Effectiveness Strategy - Overall, Makima was knowledgeable enough about Denji's personality to determine the best approach to breaking his contract. Judging by the final result, the contact was broken, as intended, which means the effectiveness of the choice of strategy is positive.
• Execution Strategy - the strategy was implemented without a single problem or intervention, because Makima personally controlled Denji's life, giving him exactly what he wanted. As a result, we see the task completed.
• Resilience Strategy - the strategy cannot be revealed as the approach itself if you do not know Makima's goal. Denji himself could not possibly be aware of the catch, because the method itself is an approach with the goal of depriving the victim of a sense of danger, since each action was a satisfaction of the victim’s needs. Hiding behind her profession as a demon hunter, Makima already had a position of complete control over her subordinates,
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