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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

GunshyFever said:
Because Yoshida will not be scaling to Quanxi. We established this after Yoru blitzed Yoshida, and then Quanxi went on to blitz Yoru. This goes to show that Quanxi was holding back in their fight, which was already obvious.
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Then who will Yoshida scale to then ?
 
So a nerf to Yoshida's combat speed then ? Does that mean Yoru's will also get nerf since she currently upscale from him
 
Bruh said:
So a nerf to Yoshida's combat speed then ? Does that mean Yoru's will also get nerf since she currently upscale from him
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Yes, that's her combat speed. However, other speed categories will be receiving upgrades as well. For example, her perception speed will be upgraded to MHS+, scaling off Pochita. Her attack speed with Gun Gauntlet should be 8% faster than Makima's 20%, making it Mach 4,971.36. Anyone who scales to Bang can likely be upscaled to baseline Mach 5,000.
 
GunshyFever said:
Yes, that's her combat speed. However, other speed categories will be receiving upgrades as well. For example, her perception speed will be upgraded to MHS+, scaling off Pochita. Her attack speed with Gun Gauntlet should be 8% faster than Makima's 20%, making it Mach 4,971.36. Anyone who scales to Bang can likely be upscaled to baseline Mach 5,000.
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Speed unequalize Fear boost Yoru vs Deku is getting closer and closer
 
Bruh said:
I meant his weaker keys like 20-30% which are only a bit above baseline High Hypersonic
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I mean, they're getting the high hypersonic scaling from the 20% Gun, because Post-Fear Boost Denji's fear scaling is above Snake, who surprised the 20% Gun. So they're getting like Mach 25, or in specific Yoru.
 
GunshyFever said:
It would have looked good as a supporting feat, but we can't even use this. Yoru's gun gauntlet speed is MHS+, which is already the speed floor we're working with. If we added this feat, it would assume that for some reason, "bang" is supersonic, despite that we've had it accepted as MHS+ for eons now. It simply can't work.
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If im not mistaken this is just a common way to calc stuff without calc stacking, it doesnt effect the actual value the characters scale to at all. Same thing with Yoru FTL+ summoning feat, using Supersonic as the minimum speed for Pochita despite him also scaling to MHS+
 
Bruh said:
If im not mistaken this is just a common way to calc stuff without calc stacking, it doesnt effect the actual value the characters scale to at all. Same thing with Yoru FTL+ summoning feat, using Supersonic as the minimum speed for Pochita despite him also scaling to MHS+
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No, I'm not talking about calc stacking. There's nothing wrong with the calc in terms of math, I'm talking about the feat itself. Fake Chainsaw Man cannot be hypersonic for deflecting Bang, because Bang is MHS+; therefore, Fake Chainsaw Man is also MHS+.
 
GunshyFever said:
No, I'm not talking about calc stacking. There's nothing wrong with the calc in terms of math, I'm talking about the feat itself. Fake Chainsaw Man cannot be hypersonic for deflecting Bang, because Bang is MHS+; therefore, Fake Chainsaw Man is also MHS+.
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Oh, you were talking about the actual scaling not the calc itself, my mistake then
 
Jesterofgames said:
assuming this is before the modern chapter's changed some speed stuff. (like Makima likely scaling to her bang. Thanks Fakesaw man)
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Yeah, I haven't gotten to those changes yet. But to make an estimate, the CRT should be ready around like early July, if I can finalize everything with Elaj by then.
 
Zabazab said:
I dislike MHS+ Denji
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I mean, you can dislike it but it's not like it doesn't make sense with the story as is right now.

Denji got a massive power boost then didn't do anything, until he went Chainsaw devil, and NOW he's finally showing off his Hybrid form post powerup. So unless something contradicts it heavily. It's pretty solid. (though I've felt Denji being trapped at supersonic+ until now was a bit of a lowball.)
 
Zabazab said:
I dislike MHS+ Denji
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Me as well. It practically disrupts the scaling harmony that Elaj and I were developing. Not only would it have looked good, but it also would’ve created a smooth progression, starting from low tiers at subsonic, climbing up to mid-tiers, then high tiers, and eventually reaching to god tiers that were MHS+ to Sub-Rel. Now, high tiers are getting the MHS+ rating directly, which is a jump I don’t like. I’m hoping we can find something to help bridge that gap and get back the distinction between the characters.
 
GunshyFever said:
Me as well. It practically disrupts the scaling harmony that Elaj and I were developing. Not only would it have looked good, but it also would’ve created a smooth progression, starting from low tiers at subsonic, climbing up to mid-tiers, then high tiers, and eventually reaching to god tiers that were MHS+ to Sub-Rel. Now, high tiers are getting the MHS+ rating directly, which is a jump I don’t like. I’m hoping we can find something to help bridge that gap and get back the distinction between the characters.
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i feel like this reason is stupid unless you forget that Yoru can turn a INFINITE SPACE...into a finite space (yes i know is range but still)
 
Alexander said:
i feel like this reason is stupid unless you forget that Yoru can turn a INFINITE SPACE...into a finite space (yes i know is range but still)
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That is her weapon creation speed, which is exclusive to her powers and abilities and won't be listed in her speed sector. When I'm talking about the verses speed, I'm mainly talking about combat speed, otherwise I'd say the specific categories.
 
Jesterofgames said:
Denji got a massive power boost then didn't do anything, until he went Chainsaw devil, and NOW he's finally showing off his Hybrid form post powerup. So unless something contradicts it heavily. It's pretty solid. (though I've felt Denji being trapped at supersonic+ until now was a bit of a lowball.)
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He did do something- maul three Hybrids- which resulted in him getting trading hits with and getting stabbed by...
[deep inhale]
MIRI F*CKING SUGO.
GunshyFever said:
Me as well. It practically disrupts the scaling harmony that Elaj and I were developing. Not only would it have looked good, but it also would’ve created a smooth progression, starting from low tiers at subsonic, climbing up to mid-tiers, then high tiers, and eventually reaching to god tiers that were MHS+ to Sub-Rel. Now, high tiers are getting the MHS+ rating directly, which is a jump I don’t like. I’m hoping we can find something to help bridge that gap and get back the distinction between the characters.
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Honestly tempted to see if the original Speed Scaling can still be used for the CRT. If nobody points out Ch. 201 happened, then the Mods won't know and we can just have it passed and maintain the Profile Aesthetic Agenda.
 
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ElajRuengies said:
Honestly tempted to see if the original Speed Scaling can still be used for the CRT. If nobody points out Ch. 201 happened, then the Mods won't know and we can just have it passed and maintain the Profile Aesthetic Agenda.
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Actually yeah, I'm all for this, nobody has to know if nobody points it out
 
ElajRuengies said:
Honestly tempted to see if the original Speed Scaling can still be used for the CRT. If nobody points out Ch. 201 happened, then the Mods won't know and we can just have it passed and maintain the Profile Aesthetic Agenda.
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Nah, i'd tell

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GunshyFever said:
If we get a Rel feat for God teirs, we'll mention it. But for now, respect the scaling harmony
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In alll seriousness, how are we rationalizing Fakesaw, who is weaker than Denji, deflecting a Bang that knocked a Fear-Boosted Pochita on his ass after putting a hole in him, if it's not weaker or slower?
 
ElajRuengies said:
In alll seriousness, how are we rationalizing Fakesaw, who is weaker than Denji, deflecting a Bang that knocked a Fear-Boosted Pochita on his ass after putting a hole in him, if it's not weaker or slower?
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The thing is, Pochita was missing an arm and had his guts hanging out of his body, so much so that he could feel the breeze freezing the citric acid in his opened stomach. He was extremely unprepared for the fight and severely weakened considering the speed at which everythingwas happening, unlike Fake Chainsaw Man, who was on guard the entire time, fully aware of what Yoru was doing and well-prepared. His strength is also likely due, at least in part, to the Fire Devil.

If we were depending on the parry alone, I would have swept it under the rug as an outlier, but the fact that he has scaling to it 2 other times is just Fujimoto dangling the keys in our faces.

Which in turn just creates a upscaling chain.

We can wait for Part 2 to end before we even apply it. It makes scaling weird anyways, so waiting for more feats isn't unreasonable.
 
GunshyFever said:
The thing is, Pochita was missing an arm and had his guts hanging out of his body, so much so that he could feel the breeze freezing the citric acid in his opened stomach. He was extremely unprepared for the fight and severely weakened considering the speed at which everythingwas happening, unlike Fake Chainsaw Man, who was on guard the entire time, fully aware of what Yoru was doing and well-prepared.
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Yeah, he was missing an arm and had a hole in his stomach because Yoru banged it off. He wasn't on half HP before that- the Gun Gauntlet severely injured a healthy Pochita.
GunshyFever said:
His strength is also likely due, at least in part, to the Fire Devil.
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[Insert "The Justice Devil turns your sense of Justice into power!" copium here]
GunshyFever said:
If we were depending on the parry alone, I would have swept it under the rug as an outlier, but the fact that he has scaling to it 2 other times is just Fujimoto dangling the keys in our faces.
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If we assume the two bangs in Ch. 205 were the same strength as the bangs Yoru used to harm Pochita, then Pseudo Chainsaw Men would downscale to baseline City level for successfully absorbing one shot from her to protect Fakesaw Man.
GunshyFever said:
Which in turn just creates a upscaling chain.
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Hurray, City level Katana Man!
 
ElajRuengies said:
Yeah, he was missing an arm and had a hole in his stomach because Yoru banged it off. He wasn't on half HP before that- the Gun Gauntlet severely injured a healthy Pochita.
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I thought you were talking about speed, but yeah the AP is that high.
ElajRuengies said:
If we assume the two bangs in Ch. 205 were the same strength as the bangs Yoru used to harm Pochita, then Pseudo Chainsaw Men would downscale to baseline City level for successfully absorbing one shot from her to protect Fakesaw Man.
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Not really. Fake Chainsaw Man is different from the Pseudo Chainsaw People because the actual Fire Devil is inside him. Unlike the others, who are merely contracted with the Fire Devil, he actually possesses the devil itself, which makes his transformation significantly more powerful

Think of an example like, contracting the darkness devil, compared to having the darkness devil himself inside you. A fragment of power vs the entire thing inside you.

There's a reason he was able to control them.
 
GunshyFever said:
Not really. Fake Chainsaw Man is different from the Pseudo Chainsaw People because the actual Fire Devil is inside him. Unlike the others, who are merely contracted with the Fire Devil, he actually possesses the devil itself, which makes his transformation significantly more powerful

Think of an example like, contracting the darkness devil, compared to having the darkness devil himself inside you. A fragment of power vs the entire thing inside you.

There's a reason he was able to control them.
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That argument does nothing to address the fact that Fakesaw Man was completely unharmed by a bang because a Pseudo Chainsaw Man jumped in the way of it in Ch. 205. (MHS+ Pseudo Chainsaw Man???)
 
GunshyFever said:
Yeah, they're that fast under his control. Just an Akane and Makima zombies situation.
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That's... I believe that End of Part 1 Zombie Devil zombies being absurdly more effective than Initial Zombie Devil zombies was thanks to the puppet humans all going nuts and had nothing to do with Makima, but that's headcanon so I can't argue that.

I still don't like this, but given the non-zero chance that Denji will carve up Falling next chapter, I'm gonna suspend my disbelief about Chainsaw Man scaling into Low Earth Orbit for now.
 
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