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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

At least City Block level+ with self-destruction (Is able to self-destruct on command, as demonstrated with her headless body after hugging her opponent. Despite their public safety suit, which is notably sturdy and capable of enduring being sent through multiple buildings, it was completely vaporized, leaving Nomo with only a singular arm from the explosion, Multi-City Block level with sparks (By utilizing her sparks, which are concentrated explosions created from the friction between her fingers, she was able to completely vaporize an entire squad of special division agents. Despite all of them possessing public safety suits, nothing was left behind but a cloud of vapor.)
1. No evidence of Public Safety Uniforms being "vaporized," we simply never see the squad's bodies thanks to the smoke.
2. No evidence of Nomo's uniform being damaged, as it's likely he had to take in off in order to tourniquet his stump. In addition, Nomo's face is fine, so either Nomo's face is as tough as Fumiko's midriff, or the explosion wasn't strong enough to vaporize his uniform.

Until/unless the Reze Movie debunks this, Reze's self-destruction and sparks don't get PS Uniform Multi-City Block level upscaling. Especially considering her sparks couldn't destroy Denji's chain (Ch. 51), while Katana Man could (Ch. 37)
 
1. No evidence of Public Safety Uniforms being "vaporized," we simply never see the squad's bodies thanks to the smoke.
If that were the case, we'd likely see blood scattered on the walls, as happened with the prior AOE explosions.
2. No evidence of Nomo's uniform being damaged, as it's likely he had to take in off in order to tourniquet his stump.
Quite frankly impossible, however, this is a durability feat in the case for Nomo.
1) In addition, Nomo's face is fine, so either Nomo's face is as tough as Fumiko's midriff, or the explosion wasn't strong enough to vaporize his uniform.
The latter.

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Especially considering her sparks couldn't destroy his chain (Ch. 51), while Katana Man could (Ch. 37)
Only by regenerating them last minute.
 
If that were the case, we'd likely see blood scattered on the walls, as happened with the prior AOE explosions.
No? It's possible for human bodies to be boiled and the suits to be fine.
Quite frankly impossible, however, this is a durability feat in the case for Nomo.
How does that scene debunk anything?
The latter.
It's the former. Fumiko being absurdly durable is fine since her entire character's an enigma anyway and she's important enough to get a Volume Cover. Nomo is a hare's breath away from being a random extra. He's not tougher than Yoshida or Kishibe.

Also Reze literally decapitates him and the Vice Captain and shows them to Aki in the next couple pages, meaning something besides the sparks would have to scale as well, which causes problems. Heck, it already causes problems.
  • Reze's sparks "destroy" Public Safety Uniforms (never explicitly shown onscreen, only presumed) -> Reze's sparks can't destroy Denji's chain -> Katana Man can destroy Denji's chain -> Katana Man can't destroy Public Safety Uniforms.
 
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No? It's possible for human bodies to be boiled and the suits to be fine.
Fair.
How does that scene debunk anything?
Check again, I added a better angle.
It's the former. Fumiko being absurdly durable is fine since her entire character's an enigma anyway and she's important enough to get a Volume Cover. Nomo is a hare's breath away from being a random extra. He's not tougher than Yoshida or Kishibe.
He doesn't need to be, he already has his own statement from Reze stating that he's hard to kill. While her regular explosions effortlessly kill other agents, a special attack still never took him down. That is clearly a narrative feat on Nomo's part, despite him being a random extra. You're also forgetting that all Devil Hunters have different physical capabilities and contracts, which, in this case, would only upscale Kishibe and Yoshida, who already scale to the value regardless.
Also Reze literally decapitates him and the Vice Captain and shows them to Aki in the next couple pages, meaning something besides the sparks would have to scale as well, which causes problems.


Entertaining Nomo being City-Block level+, how did Reze decapitate him?
He was already suffering from blunt trauma to the head, not to mention we have no idea how the fight turned out, considering it happened off-screen. The explosion was also centered around his torso and not directly in his face. She could have also ripped his head off his shoulders, which would be an LS feat and not AP, while also being the more likely option.
 
Touche.
Check again, I added a better angle.
I still don't understand how that scene disproves Nomo having just taken off the jacket in order to tie up his arm.
He doesn't need to be, he already has his own statement from Reze stating that he's hard to kill. While her regular explosions effortlessly kill other agents, a special attack still never took him down. That is clearly a narrative feat on Nomo's part, despite him being a random extra.
If Nomo's strong enough that his face could withstand something that vaporized- not pierced, not cut, not destroyed, but "vaporized" a Public Safety Uniform, then why was he even wearing it?! Hell, why was he bothering using Fox's Paw which only scales above typical fiends and fodder, if he's that tough? How are his pants that tough?! If it vaporized the uniform, WHY IS THE WHITE UNDERSHIRT INTACT?!

You cannot be serious when you tell me that a dude who isn't even a Vice Captain of Public Safety, who ISN'T IN THE SPECIAL DIVISION, is tougher than a Hybrid.
You're also forgetting that all Devil Hunters have different physical capabilities and contracts, which, in this case, would only upscale Kishibe and Yoshida, who already scale to the value regardless.
No they don't. They scale above Post-Training Hybrid Denji. Quanxi can literally kill Yoshida with one direct hit.
He was already suffering from blunt trauma to the head, not to mention we have no idea how the fight turned out, considering it happened off-screen.
It turned out with Nomo f*cking dead and Reze totally fine.
The explosion was also centered around his torso and not directly in his face. She could have also ripped his head off his shoulders, which would be an LS feat and not AP, while also being the more likely option.
Human beings are not absurdly anisotropic (have different strength in different planes/direction of force) like chains or rope are. Things that can rip us apart are stronger than us.
 
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I still don't understand how that scene disproves Nomo having just taken off the jacket in order to tie up his arm.
The fact that he only has one arm and that the jacket is nowhere to be seen.
If Nomo's strong enough that his face could withstand something that "vaporized" a Public Safety Uniform, then why was he even wearing it?! Hell, why was he bothering using Fox's Paw which only scales above typical fiends and fodder, if he's that tough? How are his pants that tough?! If it vaporized the uniform, WHY IS THE WHITE UNDERSHIRT INTACT?!
That's because the jacket absorbed all the damage. The focus of the explosion was on his torso, while the rest was just AOE. His face clearly isn't as durable as the explosion, but narratively, Nomo is fairly durable, which is why the jacket simply isn't there. It serves as a scene to narratively prove the toughness of PS uniforms, or Nomo is an ancient devil who is just hard to kill for no apparent reason.
You cannot be serious when you tell me that a dude who isn't even a Vice Captain of Public Safety, who ISN'T IN THE SPECIAL DIVISION, is tougher than a Hybrid.
So true dude.
It turned out with Nomo f*cking dead and Reze totally fine.
Reze exploded into nothingness???
Human beings are not absurdly anisotropic (have different strength in different planes/direction of force) like chains or rope are. Things that can rip us apart are stronger than us.
And things in fiction work differently so that doesn't apply here. And yes, Reze is stronger but Nomo could be more durable.
 
The fact that he only has one arm and that the jacket is nowhere to be seen.
You can lose limbs through armor, and then have to take off the armor to deal with the fact that you're bleeding out.
That's because the jacket absorbed all the damage. The focus of the explosion was on his torso, while the rest was just AOE.
Bullshit, her shoulders were pratically touching his face.
Yoshida was specifically name-requested by Makima, and proceeded to fight Goddamn Quanxi twice, casually dropped that he know about Makima's powers, and Kishibe called himself 4th Rate compared to him. They're not equivalent.
Reze exploded into nothingness???
What?
And things in fiction work differently so that doesn't apply here.
The way things work here is that Attack Potency means capacity to harm individuals who possess a degree of durability. Reze ripping off his head would mean that she scales above his durability. You are faced with a dilemma.
  • Reze could not have blown up Nomo's uniform without also blowing up Nomo's face. We even see the AoE damage, it's not like it was being directed like with her torpedos.
  • Nomo's head being there while the uniform isn't, assuming it was in fact turned to bits, means it's more durable.
  • That simply doesn't make sense. Especially if Reze is just stronger than him outright rather than just her sparks, given her performance against Denji.
 
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Gotta mention about Asa's profile again, the new feats and abilities are fully added (I hope), but because tank gauntlet ain't in action yet and I don't think it will be long until then (future devil told me), I think if we wait for about 1-2 chapters to see if Yoru will use it for anything at all before really updating her profile.

Also gotta ask again, are we polishing her profile? Anyone wants to do it or do I just do it?
 
"It is done."
 
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