Celestial God of War vs Magical Superman

[Zaratthustra]

Zhong Yue after going to Japan and meeting the Dragon decided to visit America and meet Superman since "aliens" always go for America in movies and Japan for anime.

High 7-A

Speed Equal

Zhong Yue:

Abraham Carter:

Inconclusive:

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So to answer some points from the old thread.

All the soul stuff is gonna be useless cus Abe is souless.
The space trapping is useless due to teleport

I don't remember much else he could do that could prove to be an issue for Abe.

As for what Abe can do is just TK him to death with uber lifting strength.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Uber lifting strength ... ZY has class P (same as Abraham) from the third realm and this is the fifth, without putting in the transformations. Each key increasing his physical prowess.

Soulless is no problem...his saber aura still passive disintegrate the body. He has a dozen attacks such as Yin Yang Beams where Yin one will reduce the target to a pool of water or Yang which will reduce the target to ashes.

He also has a large variety of elements such as lightning, fire, wind, water, earth, and much thanks to Visualization which can virtualize anything his mind can comprehend making him very versatile.

His KI can make other people's minds go blank, go into a panic attack, or even collapse.

He is basically always in a good mode thanks to his dual spirits (Spirit of the Sun and Spirit of the Moon) which make him absorb either the energy of the Sun in the day increasing his recuperation rate and increase his power and the same thing when the Moon is out.

Zhong Yue has a good resistance to mind manipulation and an even better one to lightning/electricity which makes Abraham's mind manip useless.

Power null + body/soul disintegration (not usefull this part now) + mind attack via Mangu Roar.

Has dimensional attacks with the Feathery Golden Peng Saber rendering defensive means kinda useless if they can't block such things.

Can boost his statistics through use of Yiling Pills, absorbing energy from Sun/Moon, Xiang Dragon Form, Worshipping the Nine Demons, Atman Body as One, Fuxi Form, even going as far as letting Xin Huo take control of his body making increasing his power even further.

Can shapeshift in 11,500 mastered types of monsters/demons/celestial of hybrids between them gaining their biological characteristics and native powers making an even more variety of attacks/defenses/resistances.

Has Analytical prediction, instinctive reaction, limited reactive evolution, accelerated development, and power mimicry which makes him a hard enemy to fight against.

Has skills such as Flowers of Snow - where he creates a snowstorm where each snowflake is another skill, each different. Demonic Fire Seal/Boundless Great Sun - which will ignite the enemy attacking him from within, basically you either resist or die if you're in range. Banner Array formation - which suppresses, seal, attacks, and resists a lot of kinds of attacks. Tai Chi Art - can nullify the strength of his foes. Celestial Demonic Tai Chi Art - which can suck everything toward his palm to turn anything before it to nothingness be it material or not, it will also affect the dimension. Worshipping the Gods which will reduce the powers of his foes and refine them into puppets. Tai Chi Force Field - where the sun will smelt away the material to immaterial, the moon will freeze anything it's light touches, the celestial and demon ill will grind each other smiting everything to dust and ashed within its range, and will also passively absorb the energy of the Heaven and Earth to strengthen ZY. Yin Yang Art Style - will reflect attacks back.

And many more skills as he has dozens of them...this not even putting in fact that he can create techniques on the go that will be special made to be used against his enemy which with his Info Anal, Info Manip, Analytical Prediction that comes from his computational capacity.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Uber lifting strength ... ZY has class P (same as Abraham) from the third realm and this is the fifth, without putting in the transformations. Each key increasing his physical prowess.

Abraham's may actually border on Class E though. (Since he broke Xiaoli's arm who is Class E with amps).

Soulless is no problem...his saber aura still passive disintegrate the body. He has a dozen attacks such as Yin Yang Beams where Yin one will reduce the target to a pool of water or Yang which will reduce the target to ashes.

That may or may not end the fight. Cus it says Abraham can control his own body structure through cell magic but he never showed any form of regen using it.

He also has a large variety of elements such as lightning, fire, wind, water, earth, and much thanks to Visualization which can virtualize anything his mind can comprehend making him very versatile.

Abraham has all of those as well, but those won't be landing on Abraham.

His KI can make other people's minds go blank, go into a panic attack, or even collapse.

Wouldn't work on "machines" i think.

He is basically always in a good mode thanks to his dual spirits (Spirit of the Sun and Spirit of the Moon) which make him absorb either the energy of the Sun in the day increasing his recuperation rate and increase his power and the same thing when the Moon is out.

What does he do with these? Just AP amps?

Zhong Yue has a good resistance to mind manipulation and an even better one to lightning/electricity which makes Abraham's mind manip useless.

What about body control and hypnosis? Also how does he resist electricity? What is the feat?

Power null + body/soul disintegration (not usefull this part now) + mind attack via Mangu Roar.

How does the mind attack work? And how does the body desintegration work?

Has dimensional attacks with the Feathery Golden Peng Saber rendering defensive means kinda useless if they can't block such things.

He doesn't focus much on blocking either way, he usually just teleports.

Can boost his statistics through use of Yiling Pills, absorbing energy from Sun/Moon, Xiang Dragon Form, Worshipping the Nine Demons, Atman Body as One, Fuxi Form, even going as far as letting Xin Huo take control of his body making increasing his power even further.

Not sure if stats are that useful here.

Can shapeshift in 11,500 mastered types of monsters/demons/celestial of hybrids between them gaining their biological characteristics and native powers making an even more variety of attacks/defenses/resistances.

I guess this is a thing? Idk what the monsters will accomplish.

Has Analytical prediction, instinctive reaction, limited reactive evolution, accelerated development, and power mimicry which makes him a hard enemy to fight against.

Abe has actual precog (seeing the future), the rest are far too skill based to be useful here.

Has skills such as Flowers of Snow - where he creates a snowstorm where each snowflake is another skill, each different. Demonic Fire Seal/Boundless Great Sun - which will ignite the enemy attacking him from within, basically you either resist or die if you're in range. Banner Array formation - which suppresses, seal, attacks, and resists a lot of kinds of attacks. Tai Chi Art - can nullify the strength of his foes. Celestial Demonic Tai Chi Art - which can suck everything toward his palm to turn anything before it to nothingness be it material or not, it will also affect the dimension. Worshipping the Gods which will reduce the powers of his foes and refine them into puppets. Tai Chi Force Field - where the sun will smelt away the material to immaterial, the moon will freeze anything it's light touches, the celestial and demon ill will grind each other smiting everything to dust and ashed within its range, and will also passively absorb the energy of the Heaven and Earth to strengthen ZY. Yin Yang Art Style - will reflect attacks back.

How in character are these? But he can just teleport out of these.

And many more skills as he has dozens of them...this not even putting in fact that he can create techniques on the go that will be special made to be used against his enemy which with his Info Anal, Info Manip, Analytical Prediction that comes from his computational capacity.

PLEASE, never leave the word "analysis" mid way. "Info anal" is definitely sth i don't wanna debate in a vs thread. But ok that might be good.

 

[Zaratthustra]

1. Still P on profile.
2. If he can't come back from a pool of water or ashes then he can't resist the Yin Yang Beams.
3. It not just elements but anything his mind can comprehend, and not landing depends on how the fight goes, being able to teleport doesn't matter that much if the other party can still reach to him.
4. I see, guess it makes sense to not work on machines.
5. Recovery rate of regeneration/stamina and yeah a bit of strength empowerment if the moon/sun is accessible to him, which means most of the time.
6. ZY can control each thing about his body, each part of his body is a weapon to each pore and strand of hair plus even if he were to lose control of his body he still has the Sun/Moon Spirit to fight for him which can interact with the material thus not a big lose. But to lose control of the body is kinda hard for him as he has Xin Huo who can take over the body and Xin Huo is the soul of an entire Galaxy making it kinda impossible for Abraham to take control over. Another thing to note is that let's say his body is taken control, he then has the Moon Spirit to use power null making the taking over control be useless. He resists a strong mind manip that can control the psyche and Yuan Shen (Soul+Spirit), plus his mind is very powerful which is also his greatest forte. He also has the third Spirit which is stronger than the first two aka Sui Sovereign Spirit that grants him a bunch of powers/resistance which includes the mind along with others and he also has the Wu Xing Secret Realm to defend his mind. Regarding Electricity, in the first key, he trained for months under natural lightning (which can not only affect the body but also the soul) of the sky to temper himself which overtime turned in resistance. Then he trained more increasing further against other types of lightning. This increases as his realm does.
7. The Mind attack makes it hard if not impossible for someone to think/use his/her mind once the attack hits. The disintegration happens once the character is hit by the sound-wave.
8. Teleporting doesn't help to much if the sword comes from another dimension and you can't sense/know where will come from.
9. Attack potency/defense helps a lot ... plus if Xin Huo takes over his body no one under God Realm within verse can fight him...still need to see where I will rate this in a future CRT but basically At least High 6-A will likely be him being controlled by Xin Huo...but since it's not yet on the profile, it's just higher than all of his other stat amp.
10. Having 11,500 forms is really good. He basically becomes them making him have 11500 more powers/thing, etc. Sad he didn't show many of them but he stated that he can go on any form of those he can comprehend. His enemy will don't know what to expect, what to attack him with, what to defend against or what ZY will resist. Very versatile.
11. Seeing the future doesn't do that much...ZY future/fate is beyond a nigh omniscient being making anything regarding his future impossible to see/computate or divination.
12. Good luck with teleportation when ZY range is thousands of kilometers while Abraham has a 5km teleport range. It depends on his foes. He will analyze them and try to find their weakness if he finds them powerful. In this key is hard to say which will go first as he fought different beings (cause dozen of celestials, demons, monsters or even other humans have their prowess/biological traits/etc. He will anyway use Inner Core (Space Hax) and Tai Chi Art as in this key he uses them more thanks to the powers/technique being native from this realm.
13. Yeah, just realized it...kek.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1. Ok fair, but it's still a lot of hands. So a lot of class P will be mushing him.
2. Fair.
3. It does matter, unless the other party has everything as an AoE he can still dodge.
6. The moon can power null body puppetry? Fair on the mind point, but does that extend to sleep inducement? Not sure on the electricity, i don't know if being hit by lightning gives you resistance to having your brain short circuited.
7. What's the range of the sound wave?
8. Yeah the resistance to precog is an issue.
12. I see so, what are the odds of him using these before getting beaten to a pulp by punches from TK.

 

[Zaratthustra]

1.They are both class P, I don't see how more hands give more.
3. He can create thousands of attacks at the same if not more and with his range, it should be a miracle if teleportation helps.
6. He resists to sleep manip.
7. Kilometers, if not more, and that was in lower keys.
12. It's more or less a thing anyone does in verse and ZY is someone who uses it + his computation to find the best plans he can think of.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1. So...being held by 5 dudes you strength is the same as being held down by 1?
3. Hmm depends on the size of each attack but ok.
7. Hmm teleportation might help.
12. Cus it's also in character for Abraham to just mush ppl.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I see but doesn't help when Zhong Yue can create more hands himself with Visualization or just straight out of his body plus in King Ming Form he has 8 hands or more.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

8 ain't gonna cut it.

Right now, Abraham's " telekinesis " was reaching out countless invisible hands and holding Ouma's body with them.

 

[Zaratthustra]

So? Is just holding. Like I said, him being not in control of his body is not a really bad thing as he can think, can use his Spirits, can use all kinds of attacks without even thinking himself thanks to reaching the third stage of Visualization. He can just use Xin Huo's Lamp to create a force field that should block it. Xin Huo lamp holds within 310 billion Suns and trillions of stars. Nothing also stomps him from burrowing through the earth in one of his transformations and then attacking from there or just attack, or freeze the dimension making anything around him immobile. Or just go hundreds if not more kilometers far from Abraham then attack him from there with thousands of attacks.

Most important thing is that Abraham can't interact with the Spirits making more or less all of his arsenals thanks to the Power Null.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He can attack ppl with it too though, or break their bones.

 

[Zaratthustra]

ZY can regenerate limbs. In a lower key where he didn't have regeneration beyond the lowest one, he could fight with his limbs broken, bones shattered, his organs shifted...here he has regeneration and even stronger willpower. Plus nothing stomps him from using the Cowhide to cover himself within which blocks attacks from High 6-A. Anyway, broken bones won't stop him if Superman somehow manages to get a hold of him.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean, you act like the can't break his neck or crush his head. It's not really limited to limbs.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I'm not acting but fatal wounds are hard to get with just telekinesis and at ZY list of powers. Like I said above, Abraham barely has powers, has 1 immunity and 2 resistances.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I'm not acting but fatal wounds are hard to get with just telekinesis and at ZY list of powers.

Why?

Like I said above, Abraham barely has powers, has 1 immunity and 2 resistances.

Why's that relevant? If he TK's him, he TK's him.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Because both are comparable in LS (even if one has more hands) till more hands get on him (if even one can get on him) he has an instinctive reaction (can create shields around himself without even thinking to block or use any other power in the same way), has passive disintegration from his saber, has Info Analysation and his Analytical prediction which would make more or less easy work of such a haxless character as he can predict hundreds of millions of skills at once and even more things. As Abraham can't interact with Spirits nothing stops them to just hax him to death.

Can Abraham resist to space/dimension hax, disintegration, being turned into a pool of water or ashes, power null, sealing, power suppression, life-death attacks, being attack with all kinds of elements, defending himself against all kinds of creation ZY visualization can manifest, having his attacks redirected back, having a counter to 11,5k transformation, being decomposed into energy to be absorbed, having fire attack him from within himself, being frozen, being melted, being smitten to dust, and more.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Tk cannot be blocked by barriers cus they aren't real hands, it's actual tk, the hands are used to explain. Iirc ouma tried to block it with his armour but couldn't.

I mean hapless or haxful is not the issue. He definitely has the things he needs.

Nothing stops them but similarly nothing stops abraham.

Abraham can tp out of space trapping, and he doesn't need to deal with all of those. Considering how he can pretty much 1 shot Zheng aswell.

So it all boils down to 1 shot vs 1 shot. I vote inconc.

 

[Zaratthustra]

The Forcefield block anything harmful for ZY including things such as evil hazes that instakill, demonic aura, sealing, every element that can harm him negatively), TK shouldn't be a problem. The forcefield blocks immaterial things and abstract things as Spirits.

He can't one-shot ZY, as is impossible in High 7-A to one-shot someone as from baseline to the peak, is just x4 difference. Only hax or increasing to another tier can get a one-shot and Abraham lack hax while ZY has it in spades.

Abraham can't go out of thousands of attacks that can cover thousands of kilometers with his 5-kilometer teleport.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean TK doesn't travel, it can quite literally spawn inside the barrier.

Not really. It's impossible to AP Stomp in High 7-A, not impossible to 1 shot. Our 1 shot standards are used to show AP stomps, because they take into account a punch in the chest area. But it doesn't mean that you can't punch somebody in the face, or that it will need just as much strength to knock him out with a jaw punch than with a punch to the chest.

Depends on whether ZY will use all 1000 attacks right off the bat. Not to mention 1000 attacks without the right size aren't that much from 5km away.

 

[Zaratthustra]

It blocks anything harmful from affecting him negatively - the forcefield.

ZY will know all powers of Abraham before he even has time to think once. He can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits, and their next points of attack. As if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's barely even a forcefield then. A barrier is not supposed to stop things that spawn inside it. It's like saying the barrier stops teleport.

ZY will know all powers of Abraham before he even has time to think once. He can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits, and their next points of attack. As if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills.

Abraham quite literally lacks most of the things you mentioned. He is a magical body so there go half of them already. The movement habits and attacks would require him to attack first.

Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once

Wouldn't he need info to predict their thoughts and personalities before doing anything with the information he gains from them?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Nop, he makes conjectures just from meeting them and their look/species, etc. He's that much of a big brain.

He could do that to skeletons, non-living beings, and all kinds of species. Lacking something doesn't mean he can't do it through another way.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Nop, he makes conjectures just from meeting them and their look/species, etc. He's that of a big brain.

Ok, but he can do that through the flow of blood and all that jazz. Abraham is a magical puppet, he lacks all of those. Unless it's outright stated he can predict attacks before the person even attacks without needing to any sort of other info to gather before hand, you don't assume he can cus it's illogical. You need information to deduce the future.

He could do that to skeletons, non-living beings, and all kinds of species. Lacking something doesn't mean he can't do it through another way.

Fair but he doesn't lack something, he lacks most things ZY can use to predict.

 

[Zaratthustra]

He did that to 28 characters at the same he just has met without knowing them prior.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah but those 28 characters had:

flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body

Things that can be read right away, but things that Abraham lacks.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Skill means techniques/powers, etc. They weren't mortal btw, they were celestial beings who lack such things.

He still could do it to skeletons, being a magical being doesn't help as ZY can read the Yuan Shen which is a Spirit a non living being, non-material lacking even more than Abraham and even likely being an abstract being.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

What is Yuan Shen?

Also both cases, they only lacked 1 of them.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Galvanization between Soul and Spirit... Its on the profile.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean....lacking a soul should be enough of a reason against that.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Nop. Spirits - They were among the most abstract and ethereal concepts of the world, inherently holding the most mysterious knowledge within them. They were the profound and mysterious totems, the distillation of the power of the heaven and earth., They had the strength to transcend the mortal to immortality, and possessed the knowledge of the fundamental essence of the universe. To use it one needs to understand what time and space are, what use they have, why they exist, what meanings do they carry, and why they matter.

Abraham still has skills (technique/powers/etc), weaknesses as he isn't a perfect being without flaw, has movements, habits, points of attacks, has personally, thoughts, and instincts.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Abraham still has skills (technique/powers/etc), weaknesses as he isn't a perfect being without flaw, has movements, habits, points of attacks, has personally, thoughts, and instincts.

Yes but ZY needs to see them first to know what they would be. What the movement habits are, the attacks, the personality, (he should lack instincts though cus he's a machine and shit).

 

[Eganergo]

 

[Zaratthustra]

He still has a mind, thoughts. I don't see mind immunity on his profile (lacking a mind), thus is should work.

He has info analysis...4km distance is more than enough as his Psyche Sensing reaches in thousands of kilometers.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He still has a mind, thoughts. I don't see mind immunity on his profile (lacking a mind), thus is should work.

Yes but you can't predict thoughts without needing some sort of previous information first. Otherwise it's not Analytical Prediction, it's straight up telepathy.

He has info analysis...4km distance is more than enough as his Psyche Sensing reaches in thousands of kilometers.

The info analysis drops consistently the less the sources are. Without a flow of blood, a mortal body etc etc, literally half of what you mentioned. He has significantly less things to work with.

 

[Zaratthustra]

He still has a lot of them plus he could still fight as well with skeletons and elemental beings...nothing changed.

At the end of the day, Abraham barely has anything that can work on ZY which is TK but that is hardly something relevant with all the hax/resistences and items ZY has.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

At the end of the day, Abraham barely has anything that can work on ZY which is TK but that is hardly something relevant with all the hax/resistences and items ZY has.

He has has normal attacks too, but having just 1 ability that is very reliable in ending your opponent isn't exactly a bad thing.

 

[Zaratthustra]

This won't work well because of the Moon Spirit Power Null, Sun Spirit igniting the foe from within. Or the Cowhide which can block High 6-A attacks. Or a dozen of other abilities that I've stated above.

Or just using the Demonic Puppet which I don't think it's necessary but it's something that can happen to just insta kill his foe.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Again ZY has his ways to end the fight, but so does Abe. Abe can end the fight with an in character move, ZY can end it with a bunch of moves.

I'll still stand on the inconclusive.

 

[Rocker1189]

How fast is ZY with gathering his info with his IA and other stuff?