Carmelita Fox Vs General Tsao

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

I wanted to do a match to see how things may have gone if Carmelita had actually faced Tsao in a proper fight as opposed to getting the drop on him and shooting him when he was off guard.

Battle is in Tsao's palace. Carmelita has her shock pistol, while Tsao has his shield. Since this is before Thieves in Time, Carmelita hasn't bought the upgrades for her shock pistol that she is able to buy in that game.

Carmelita Fox
General Tsao

 

[JJSliderman]

I imagine Carmelita still wins, her super jump means she can easily avoid the black magic dragons and zombie hands, and the shock pistol just gives her much more range in general. The main obstacle would be Tsao’s shield, but the shock pistol being able to beat Muggshot who could no sell Murray’s punches makes me think it would be able to get through eventually. That and the shield being part metal makes it conduct electricity also.

 

[Dust_Collector]

There's a reason the cooper gang often chooses to run away from her instead of fighting, her shock pistol is no joke. It allowed her to bring down Dr. M in record time (He showed no signs of major damage or fatigue from his battle with Sly) and let her take down Muggshot of all people without much issue, the most damage she took in her fight with him was the annoyance of all the paper work she'd have to do for his arrest lmao.

Not to mention Tsaos misogyny is more than likely cause him to not her take her seriously. Her agility is comparable to Sly which when paired with her mega jump means she's not gonna have much difficulty dodging Tsaos physical and magical attacks, Carmelita just jumps around out pelts him from a distance for like 20 seconds AT MOST before he's face down on the ground twitching.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Alright, I'm convinced. Carmelita FRA. Still need some more votes though. It may take a while. Most of the users who have posted in the Sly Cooper threads or are listed on the verse page have vanished over the years.

 

[Tonygameman]

Wouldn't say I'm one of those who vanished. Zenigata-inspired gal FRA.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Literally the fight would end with Carmelita shooting and the first bullet that hits Tsao electrocutes him like in the cutscene

No resistance to electricity and Mugshot>Murray>Sly>Tsao in AP with Carmelita stomping Muggshot

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Literally the fight would end with Carmelita shooting and the first bullet that hits Tsao electrocutes him like in the cutscene

No resistance to electricity and Mugshot>Murray>Sly>Tsao in AP with Carmelita stomping Muggshot

Carmelita didn't stomp Muggshot. It wasn't a hard boss battle, but he did require a lot of hits. Anyway, it takes more than AP alone to win a battle (though it is one of the more important factors). For example, Sly is obviously physically inferior to Muggshot, but managed to defeat him in the first game.

Nevertheless, I see your point and accept it, though I don't think this is a stomp. I hope not. I've been trying to avoid those.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

didn't stomp Muggshot.

Was Carmelita in the verge of death, tired or even damaged?

That is a "stomp", not literally one tapping, but extreme easy fight

And Tsao has his dark magic but having a Gun is obviously better

Sly is obviously physically inferior to Muggshot

Sly won using the enviroment, otherwise Muggshot literally wins (Sly from 3-4 would use hax though, but in Sly 1 without half of his powers is gg)

I am forgetting the animation where Muggshot appears yet again, did Sly won in a fight there? I will check it

 

[JJSliderman]

I am forgetting the animation where Muggshot appears yet again, did Sly won in a fight there? I will check it

He lands some hits but Muggshot sort of
ragdolls him until Sly amps his punch with the watch.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Sly amps his punch with the watch.

Which would be the same as hitting with his cane

So the Cooper Gang gets stronger after Holland or something, Tsao would be stronger and makes this not a stomp in that case

Because by logic of sly cooper 1, Sly would not be able to do anything in a fist fight

 

[Dust_Collector]

Which would be the same as hitting with his cane

Nah, Sly gets a clean shot on Muggshots face with his cane in that same fight and the most it does is tilt his head. It's only the watch that lets him knock Muggshot out with a punch (No wonder they wanted to steal it lmao).

So the Cooper Gang gets stronger after Holland or something, Tsao would be stronger and makes this not a stomp in that case

Given they have the van in the animated short it'd be after they already dealt with Tsao in china so even if they got stronger not sure if Tsao would scale to that given there's months in between the heists. (Honestly I have to doubt the shorts canonicity, can't think of a solid time it could really take place given the van can fly which uh... doesn't line up with it not being able to fly during the final heist for the cooper vault at the end of Sly 3).

 

[JJSliderman]

Which would be the same as hitting with his cane

So the Cooper Gang gets stronger after Holland or something, Tsao would be stronger and makes this not a stomp in that case

Because by logic of sly cooper 1, Sly would not be able to do anything in a fist fight

Thing is Muggshot was already no-selling Murray’s punches in Sly 3, Murray is obviously > Sly.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Thing is Muggshot was already no-selling Murray’s punches in Sly 3, Murray is obviously > Sly.

I know

Dust is iffy on how canon the animation is

Bentley bombs> Murray

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Carmelita seems to have better wincoins tbh. Voting her

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Btw, I am voting the girl with 4 different voices

 

[Abysswalker2126]

Can’t sly survive getting shot by it tho?
Does he have his vampires and dragon?
Also doesn’t his magic home in/chase its targets?and his first fight on the bamboo he spams the hell outa projectiles that sly has to use an environmental amp to avoid?

Only thing I see being a potential issue is his outlook on women making him sell the bag.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Can’t sly survive getting shot by it tho?
Does he have his vampires and dragon?
Also doesn’t his magic home in/chase its targets?and his first fight on the bamboo he spams the hell outa projectiles that sly has to use an environmental amp to avoid?

Only thing I see being a potential issue is his outlook on women making him sell the bag.

The battle is inside his palace and after the vampire crypts are destroyed. No vampires are left, and the dragon can't get inside the palace because of its size. You are correct about his magic homing in though.

 

[XitSign]

Was asked to check in, and it seems Carmelita's abilities seem useful for mobility in this fight, and the FRA seem agreeable because of it, I think I'm also voting Carmelita FRA

 

[Dust_Collector]

Can’t sly survive getting shot by it tho?

Yeah but only like a handful at most, plus it wouldn't mean much for Tsao given all it'd mean is Sly having a decent resistance to electricity with no real way to say Tsaos resistance is on par, hell he's left on the floor after one shot at the end of the episode (I know he was off guard but I don't think that would affect how resistant he'd be to getting shocked).

Also doesn’t his magic home in/chase its targets?and his first fight on the bamboo he spams the hell outa projectiles that sly has to use an environmental amp to avoid?

Yeah but the homing doesn't work on airborne opponents, his zombie hands can't travel above ground and his spirit dragons also need to move along something physical to track Sly, if he's on a bamboo shoot they need to physically climb the shoot as well and are avoided if Sly just jumps to a different one. Givens Carmeiltas agility is comparable to Sly plus she has the Mega Jump, avoiding his magic shouldn't be any more of an issue for her then it was Sly.

and his first fight on the bamboo he spams the hell outa projectiles that sly has to use an environmental amp to avoid?

Not only do the fireballs not home in like his zombie hands and dragons do, but Sly didn't need the amp to dodge them. It just allows him to jump without needing to land so he doesn't have to constantly jump around the long way to reach Tsao who'd just jump away too, the speed of the fireballs are no different than other projectiles he can normally dodge just fine.

and the dragon can't get inside the palace because of its size.

I mean the dragon could easily just, smash it's way in. Not that Tsao would use it, he only summoned it to life when he was truly outraged due to his familys treasury getting dunked into the river. Not really in character for him to just whip it out like that and 2v1 his opponent in a normal fight.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Votes are 7-0 in Carmelita's favor: JJSliderman, Dust_Collector, myself, Tonygameman, Kazuma_kuwabara, Lloydblitzed, XitSign.

It's been a day. If nobody objects, I'll add this later.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

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